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Topic: RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Topic: RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

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Mark Lembright '85
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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/27/2014 3:59:42 PM

I hate Miami (Fla.)'s uniform for the Independence Bowl. It looks like a muted version of Ohio's green helmet and pants, white jersey uniform. Needless to say, Ohio's uniforms look better!

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/27/2014 5:28:12 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

I hate Miami (Fla.)'s uniform for the Independence Bowl. It looks like a muted version of Ohio's green helmet and pants, white jersey uniform. Needless to say, Ohio's uniforms look better!

Ohio's uniforms look better than the uniforms of most teams. They keep them fresh, but they always have a classic look that keeps them looking good.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/28/2014 6:54:39 PM

L.C. and others...I would point out that in the last ten years the academic ranking of Ohio University has fallen fairly dramatically and, in general, I think the caliber of student has not increased much if at all.

On the other hand, Miami has pretty much been even in the rankings over the last 10 years and above OHIO.

Then on another hand, UC has flown up the rankings with lots of football success.

So, I am not sure anyone can say Bowl games and ESPN midweek games help or hurt much either way!

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/28/2014 9:35:05 PM

No one is claiming that being on TV is anything more than advertising. All advertising can do is attract interest in a product. It's still necessary to do the other things to raise the quality of education.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/28/2014 10:06:16 PM

Casper71, you are swallowing too much of Miami's propaganda. They place almost complete emphasis on their undergraduate reputation. They cultivate this "public ivy" concept. Ohio is a much more complete university with many more graduate programs and grants first professional degrees in medicine and engineering. On a total institution basis there is really no comparison between The Ohio University (actual real name, since 1804) and the pretender in Oxford.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/30/2014 9:06:16 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

You can see the 11th year. BG is clearly more dynamic, more playmakers than us. Add in they get back their starting qb who's quite likely the best player in the conference and the logical conclusion is pretty logical.

Congratulations to Bowling Green but let's not make them the greatest thing since sliced bread just yet. Even with the great Roger Lewis, it took BG up to the last minute to beat a team that was 6-6 entering the game. Again, a good bowl win by BG but they didn't beat Ohio State here.

Agreed, but I think S. Alabama was an underrated 6-6. In two common opponents of ours they beat Kent and Idaho soundly - both on the road. They also almost beat Navy losing 42-40. The program is rising rapidly in what I think is a highly competitive and better conference (Sun Belt).

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/30/2014 9:19:22 AM

Maryland Bobcat wrote:

So. Alabama also will benefit tremendously from UAB's dissolution.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/30/2014 10:19:53 AM

OCF, I believe the US news and world rankings are for undergraduate studies only. That was my point. You can argue about the numbers but they are what they are. And a lot of people use them to make decisions about where they are going to school for undergraduate studies.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/31/2014 1:41:48 PM

Casper71 wrote:

Yes some people make decisions on those rankings, I agree. But my point is that the reality of the total institutions is much different than a methodologically unsound undergraduate ranking.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/31/2014 4:07:38 PM

All I would add is the methodology is pretty consistent so when you see one school at about the same historical number while another is falling it tells you something at least about the undergraduate side. I am closer to the UC situation and I can guarantee you there meteorological rise in the rankings over the last 10 years is directly related to their putting big time emphasis on the academic side. I fear OUr alma matter is not doing the same!

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/31/2014 5:23:00 PM

The methodology isn't consistent year to year. They regularly adjust their weighting of each category to better reflect their interpretation of what makes the best college. Recently they have begun to emphasize outcomes more compared to the incoming stats of a class. I read an article about this yesterday but can't seem to find it now.

Below is the latest version (National Universities only which is the category Ohio University is in). You could debate endlessly what each category should be worth. Personally I think the entire first category is BS and should be excluded. It is not fact based and therefore invalid in my mind. Our reputation as a party school likely has a huge impact on our rating by this category alone. I find that ridiculous.

Undergrad Academic Reputation - 22.5% That percentage is made up of 2 subcategories.
#1 - Peer Assessment survey - 66.7%
#2 - High School Counselor ratings - 33.3%

Student Selectivity for Entering Class - 12.5%. Made up of 3 subcategories.
#1 - Acceptance Rate - 10%
#2 - High School Standing in Top 10% - 25%
#3 - Critical Reading & Math of SAT & Composite ACT - 65% (SAT not required for in state still? I was one of very few who took the SAT in my class. Universities that draw primarily from in state would be unfairly docked points here).

Faculty Resources - 20%. Made up of 6 Subcategories
#1 - Faculty Compensation - 35%
#2 - % Faculty with Terminal Degree in field - 15%
#3 - % Faculty as Full Time - 5%
#4 - Student-Faculty Ratio - 5%
#5 - Class Size 1-19 - 30%
#6 - Class Size 50+ - 10%

Graduation & Retention Rates - 22.5%. 2 Subcategories
#1 - Average Grad Rate - 80%
#2 - Average Freshmen Retention Rate - 20%

Financial Resources per student - 10%

Average Alumni Giving Rate - 5%

Graduation Rate Performance - 7.5%

Definitions & full table at the link below....

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-colleges/articles/20...

Last Edited: 12/31/2014 5:23:28 PM by OUs LONG Driver

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 12/31/2014 9:59:10 PM

Crazy idea of the day: let's go the Boise route and start our own bowl game. Get Cardinal Health to sponsor it and hold it in Crew Stadium so that it's not as obvious that it's the Ohio Bobcat Bowl.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 1/4/2015 10:45:19 PM

Toledo up 35-17 at the half.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 1/5/2015 1:48:36 AM

Final score: UT 63 ASU 44. And, let me add, that UT did not go under center even once, even on very short yardage situations. Very few "gadget plays" either. ASU did run a more imaginative offense. UT ran a lot of plays where everyone in the stadium knew the play before it was run and who was going to get the ball -- #3 -- but it didn't make any difference. Moral of this story: Don't believe all the analysis you might read here on BA when it comes to play calling. Some of it is pure hot air.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 1/5/2015 7:37:13 AM

And the MAC goes 2-3 in bowls this year. The only true poor showing was NIU against Marshall who dominated all MAC opponents.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 1/5/2015 8:48:03 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Hot air factor aside, play calling doesn't need to be analyzed when the same thing works every time even when everyone knows who is getting the ball.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 1/5/2015 9:56:07 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

What????? Never went under center?????? How did they score 63 points????

And OCF +1

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Posted: 1/5/2015 10:21:15 AM

OCF, I have never advocated that we must be under center every down or should never run a one back set. I have said we should be able to run MULTIPLE offensive sets.

What I will say is when you have 5th year seniors on the O-line and run a 2 tight end set with running backs like TOLEDO has you can obviously be effective. That blocking scheme was good and A-State had no way of stopping the run last night.

Seems to me we did not run many 2 TE sets (maybe injuries) and obviously we did not have a bunch of 5 year senior veterans on the O-line this year.

I do think Monroe's philosophy: Run the Ball and Stop the Run was one that proved pretty true throughout the Bowl season! So get Monroe some disruptive D-linemen and some nasties on the O-line!

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 1/5/2015 1:57:37 PM

Casper71 wrote:

...I do think Monroe's philosophy: Run the Ball and Stop the Run was one that proved pretty true throughout the Bowl season! So get Monroe some disruptive D-linemen and some nasties on the O-line!

That doesn't sound like something Monroe would say. He seems to want aggressive defensive linemen that can get sacks, not sturdy ones that can stop the run. His offensive focus seems to be towards having more trickery on offense, not towards having a solid running game.

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Posted: 1/5/2015 4:05:14 PM

My brain must still be in park for the holidays. Somebody talked about "disruptive" D-linemen. Was that really you L.C.? Or someone else gonna take credit for it.

And, I thought for sure someone one here has said: "Run the Ball and Stop the Run". Who was that?

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Posted: 1/5/2015 4:49:29 PM

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http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 1/5/2015 5:32:03 PM

Overall bowl records so far:

P5 Conferences:
PAC-12 6-2
SE 7-5
Big Tenfourteen 5-5
ACC 4-7
Big Twelveten 2-5

Middle ground:
Independents: 2-1
AAC: 2-3

G4:
CUSA 4-1
MWC 3-4
MAC 2-3
Sunbelt 1-2

Interestingly, the bowls seem to segregate P5 teams from G5 teams, and most bowls are either P5vP5, or they are G5vG5. The bowls seem to treat the AAC and independents like P5 teams. The AAC played no teams from other G5 conferences, and the only independent that played a G5 team was Navy, who beat San Diego State.

Excluding the AAC, and thus turning the G5 into the G4, the G4 was 2-1 versus P5 teams in the only three games that did pit a G4 team against a P5 team:
CUSA: La Tech 35, Illinois 18
MWC: Utah 45 Colorado St 10
MWC: Boise St 38, Az 30

Last Edited: 1/5/2015 11:14:22 PM by L.C.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 1/5/2015 11:17:12 PM

Casper71 wrote:

Monroe has talked a great deal about disruptive defensive linemen, notably in this thread:
http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

So far as I can tell, he isn't interested in defensive linemen that are strong, and hold position against the run, and keep offensive linemen away from the linebackers. Instead he seems to be looking for sacks from the defensive linemen.

As for the other quote, it's an old football quote, and I don't know the origin of it, but the person that has been using it recently is Bcat2.

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RE: MAC Teams in the Bowls

Posted: 1/6/2015 5:26:44 PM

L.C. wrote:

...

G4:
CUSA 4-1
MWC 3-4
MAC 2-3
Sunbelt 1-2
...

CMU hits that 2pt conversion at the end of the game and its CUSA 3-2, MAC 3-2.

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