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BillyTheCat
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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/22/2014 4:14:31 PM

The list of SE OHIO kids who had scholarships and quit in the last 20 years is way longer than those that have stuck it out!

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/22/2014 5:00:55 PM

Are we paying recruits enough and giving them enough other unlawful inducements to be competitive?

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/22/2014 5:23:24 PM

Not to give too much credence to this line of thinking, but we've missed far more local talent in women's basketball.... kids that have gone on to other MAC schools and performed well. Just sayin'.
Boldon may change this approach...far too early to tell.

Last Edited: 2/22/2014 5:23:57 PM by oldkatz

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/22/2014 5:31:18 PM

I like Shaq have been to all of the Athens basketball + football games(except the Florida trip) the last 2 seasons and find Catfans post to be totally ridiculous. Catfan what did you think of the play of Burrow(not Burrows) and Watson in their games against Akron SVSM and Lucasville Valley this year and both Warren games last year? Both players looked really good in those 4 big games against better competition so I'm guessing you missed all of them? Definitely was a tough game last night, French was on fire(22 pts in the 2nd quarter) and a hard way to end a very good season for the Bulldogs but I know both players will learn/grow from it and come back even stronger next season!
To make statements about Joes leadership skills, his energy level and competitive spirit have to be some of the most asinine things I have ever read on BA. Then to top it off by saying that this is not unusual for him lets me know that you don't know Joe!

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/22/2014 6:07:45 PM

oldkatz wrote:

Great point.

Jenna Burdette going to Dayton is a bummer - that young lady could have easily been Ohio's PG next season.

Sina King could have played at OU.

Iris Butcher was not recruited by Ohio.

The two girls at Jackson now are going to Kent State.

Liz Howerth I think could have played for OU.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/22/2014 6:09:16 PM

Bus19driver wrote:

Agreed whole heartedly. Both coaches at Athens (Skinner and Adams) do nothing but praise Burrow for his character and leadership skills. And they are around him every day.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/23/2014 7:39:30 AM

Tim Ford wrote:

A coach once told me the only thing worse than not recruiting a local player is recruiting a bad local player and having him sit the bench. The local fans will have your head

Comments In this thread reflect this. I grew up in a small town and folks never understand how mr everything doesn't make it in college. "He is so good. They are really screwing him up". Burrow and others may be quality college players or perhaps not. But the locals will always see the kid that won high school games with ease. It is a double edged sword for coaches.

Last Edited: 2/23/2014 8:00:48 AM by cc-cat

BillyTheCat
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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/23/2014 7:58:32 AM

Shaq of the MAC wrote:

oldkatz wrote:

Dayton is on a different level than OHIO

Butcher quit in a year

Different staff was here for the Jackson kids.

King would have been nice though.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/23/2014 10:24:58 AM

I'll admit that I haven't been to every single home and road game like bus driver...but I've made it out to most home games and several of the nearby roadies. Everyone can show great poise and leadership skills when you're beating Wellston by 25. But when the going gets tough, the tough get going.

And while I do not know Joe "personally", I think that only makes my opinion more unbiased than yours. I'm just calling them as I see them. And there have been multiple times this year and last where his body language and attitude have been questionable in my opinion. Lots of shades of TT it seems: not paying attention to the coaches, sulking after a bad play and (especially last night) looking like he just wanted off the court.

Maybe it's nothing and he'll go on to be a great college player, whether it be here or at some BCS school. However, just because he has a ton of offers doesn't mean he's going to do anything special. There's plenty of kids that get a huge list of offers and struggle miserably at the next level - and it's usually because of the mental part of the game.

I'm not a coach or purport to be a great talent evaluator. But if I were looking for someone to work for me, based upon what I've seen, I would not hire Joe. He may be a good person and I'm sure he has a great family. But IMO you can learn a lot from someone's demeanor when their back is against the wall.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/23/2014 10:50:23 AM

Didn't Hitchens have some problems and he never finished @ Akron? Did that situation then have a negative impact on their NCAA scorecard? Maybe just maybe our coaches at the time saw that this kid had a problem and passed. No school wants a problem kid. Groce had one here and it hurt our chances to be a great team. That kid also hurt his own chances to play at the next level.
Let's face it, with the new NCAA score card, coaches performance is being tied to these requirements as well. Few coaches today would be willing to take a chance on a problem talent that could hurt his score card as well as the chemistry of the team.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/23/2014 9:08:22 PM

catfan28 wrote:

Good thing you are not a college coach and evaluator of talent, because you'd be awfully hungry!

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 8:42:36 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Good thing you are not a college coach and evaluator of talent, because you'd be awfully hungry!

You know.

That is patently over the line.

The biggest comment I have heard over the years when I encourage people to post is that they do not want to get attacked personally. They don't mind discussion and fact based comments but they fear personal attacks.

The man prefaced his remarks and SAID he was not a coach and offered an opinion which you could have offered some reasonable response to since you ARE in the buildling AND the gym and get to see these kids up close and how they interact with the student body, coaching staff and teachers

WHy do you feel the need to attack him personally and offer a comment instead of some evidence of their character that might be beneficial to the board at large?

Appreciate your contributions and your need for anonymity but even your standards have to be above this one.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 9:50:14 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Good thing you are not a college coach and evaluator of talent, because you'd be awfully hungry!

Do you ever offer anything more than one-line, contrarian responses? WHY do you feel this way?

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 11:47:38 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

catfan28 wrote:

I'm not a coach or purport to be a great talent evaluator. But if I were looking for someone to work for me, based upon what I've seen, I would not hire Joe. He may be a good person and I'm sure he has a great family. But IMO you can learn a lot from someone's demeanor when their back is against the wall.

Good thing you are not a college coach and evaluator of talent, because you'd be awfully hungry!

Actually, unfortunately, it looks like he may eat pretty well. Based on what the professionals are indicating, Joe may be good, but is not considered elite - which is not a knock. By this time in the recruiting process, the elite QBs are already signed and/or picking among the whose who of BCS programs. Not sure why he is not in the top group, but Athens is not off the trail to the point that he would be under the radar. Camps are critical these days, especially the ones BEFORE your junior year. Especially if you play against less than stellar opponents (and I recall reading some concerns about his mechanics - though one guy was high on his improvement). By ths summer's camps, he is left fighting for the unique offer, as opposed to the avalanche of premier BCS programs.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/football/recru... - not rated in top 25 pocket passers. Additional list for dual threats

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/dat... - page 3

Something is not making coaches fall in love. That's okay. If he is as good as some of the locals think, maybe he contributes to us. But per the football recruiting thread, let's let this kid be a junior/senior instead of comparing him to the Andrew Luck's of the world. Again, appears to be a good kid, but sounds like some are seeing a bit through "local" vision glasses.

Interesting diversion (Burrow, etc) within this thread - that points to the challenges of recruiting local and, from a player perspective, staying local. This thread illustrates the passion and excitement locals have for Burrow (which is to expected) Now flash forward 4 years if he is still holding a clip board or only extra point tries. "They are ruining Joe's talent..." cries the locals. Now look at it from his perspective. Not only does he have to deal with classmates asking about playing time, but can't even "escape home" without being an issue.

Not surprising that many athletes look beyond their immediate neighborhood to go to school.

Last Edited: 2/24/2014 12:04:00 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 1:23:56 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Good thing you are not a college coach and evaluator of talent, because you'd be awfully hungry!

What is out of line here is this guy is attacking the character of a 17 year old kid, who is an accomplished athlete and a quality person. A person he does NOT even admittedly know. How is that acceptable oh Holy one?

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 1:25:32 PM

cc cat wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

catfan28 wrote:

Good thing you are not a college coach and evaluator of talent, because you'd be awfully hungry!

The train is picking up steam every single day, judge his offers by July. In the last month he has picked up a dozen offers from BCS schools, and has yet to hit one Junior Day and Senior combine.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 1:35:09 PM

catfan28 wrote:

bobcat695 wrote:

Athens got manhandled tonight by Warren Local (Jeff and Fake Jeff are proud alumni). Is it time for a thread drift to demand Ohio start heavily recruiting Evan French? He lit up Watson and Burrows.

I've seen a lot of Ibi Watson. I seriously question if he's D1 material. Tonight's game REALLY brought that to light against better competition. French meanwhile is headed to West Liberty (Division 2).

Also, after watching the game tonight, I'm not so sure I want Burrows as a QB. The more I see him, the more I realize that his body language and leadership skills are atrocious. He lacked any energy or competitive spirit it seemed...just acted like he'd rather be somewhere else. This is not unusual for him. He may have the skills to be a D1 quarterback, but I just don't think he'll be able to handle the mental part of the game. Some legitimate question marks there if you ask me.

So borna: This quote from Catfan28 is not over the line? If you defend the criticizim of a 17 year old, yet the adult who's doing the critiquing is off limits, then I am dissapointed, because you have always been a person who exemplified the virtues of High School athletics.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 1:39:45 PM

catfan28 wrote:

He reported what he saw and had an opinion. He said "it seemed" and gave his appraisal. That is an opinion he makes on a player based on what he saw. I did not take it as an attack on character. I t looked to me like a discussion of what he saw.

BillyTheCat wrote:

What is out of line here is this guy is attacking the character of a 17 year old kid

I am glad that you are in the building and can actually give examples that have some merit based on what you see. If he is a great kid then so be it.... I would hate to think if someone asked me an opinion on here about a kid that I would have to worry about excluding any negative that I had seen first hand. If I saw something in a recruit I did not like I would probably put it up there knowing it is one man's opi9nion and caould be taken with a grain of salt or discussed without retribution or personal attacks on my ability to look at something and form an opinion. People wnat to discuss what they see without reprisal. Conversely, I would hope that I could look at an opinion and not call someone out....I would be more than happy to discuss why I think differently but I think it is beneath what the mods have created here to throw mud at a person for stating what they saw.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 1:43:22 PM

Oh, so can Catfan28 can give an opinion but I cannot give mine? That's asinine! Maybe you are allowing deep seeded issues to surface here, however, I stand by my support of the young man and his family....And you guys really think this crap will help OHIO land him?

Last Edited: 2/24/2014 1:51:08 PM by BillyTheCat

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 1:50:47 PM

No issues with our coaches do not recruit local people based on talent. Is nothing wrong with people being just good high school athletes. However I do have a problem when people start assassinating the character of these young people. And I find it appalling that you allow the character of a 17-year-old to be attacked the defend the person who's attacking it for the same reason.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 1:52:08 PM

As for examples of the show man's character he was the Gatorade player of the year for the state of Ohio. That is an award that is based on many criteria not just athletic accomplishments. Process for the Lord is about four weeks in the making and requires countless letters of reference academic transcripts and leadership conferences and abilities.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 2:03:22 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

cc cat wrote:

The train is picking up steam every single day, judge his offers by July. In the last month he has picked up a dozen offers from BCS schools, and has yet to hit one Junior Day and Senior combine

Good for him. And I will follow, out of interest to see if he ends up at Ohio. The point of my post was to put into realistic perspective the recruiting process. If he is getting high level BCS offers (Bama, Auburn, GA, USC, Fla St., OKla, etc.) that are reserved for the elite, then they are coming very, very late. My neighbor's son just signed with Georgia. By the time he entered his junior year, he had offers from all of the above and others. Camps and combines are critical to Burrow, given the level of play he sees (just as they were with Jeb). He obviously didn't soar after jr camps, so really moving up the food chain in the QB pecking order right now is extremely rare. He is also challenged that he (from everything reported) is more a pocket passer, not a real dual threat guy, which rules out a chunk of schools out of the gate (I know he has rushing yards, but he is not a Johnny football, Winston, Miller kind of player). My guess is his best fit will end up being at a high end MAC or lower end BCS conference school (e.g., Purdue, Indiana, Kentucky, VA, Wake, or the likes of a East Carolina, Tulane, etc. Which is something pretty solid for a kid from Athens.

Last Edited: 2/24/2014 2:32:45 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 2:37:27 PM

Actually, it might not be ridiculous. I've met and talked to his dad several times last year at the Athen's games. Really nice and down to earth guy. It's not like the young Stewart's dad is a plumber or a teacher. He's a division 1 college basketball coach!! For what ever reason a division 1 college basketball coach thought it was in his son's best interest to play somewhere else. That somewhere else is Pickerington Central. The Division 1 state champions 2 years ago and one of the favorites to win the division 1 state championship this year. As it looks right now, it was probably the right move. His son holds 2 Division 1 scholarship offers already as a high school freshman. He also is in the starting lineup for Pickerington Central who also start 2 division 1 signees (Jaesean Tate/Ohio State, and Connor Kern/Arkansas State). The kid is the #3 overall player in Ohio for the class of 2017 (per Prep Spotlight and Triple Double Prospects.

I do agree with you Shaq that he could have helped Athens but at the end of the day I don't think that kid could be in a better high school situation. Even though I would have liked him to be a Bulldog!!!!!!!!

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 2:52:57 PM

CC I have no issue or problems with your take, Catfan28 is another issue. Some are coming to the party late, however that is not unusual for this area. The last three big time program players from our area all saw this same time frame. And all of those big time programs you mention are still actively recruiting Joey, have not offered yet, but are still in contact per allowable rules.

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RE: Ohio recruiting tactics

Posted: 2/24/2014 3:00:09 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Absolutely no issue with your assessment. I have heard no negative of the kid either. I do not think anyone is attacking your assessment of the kid , his parents or his character. I actually appreciate the input from both fans. I am smart enough to take both with a grain of salt and eventually make up my own mind. You have affinity for the kid...catfan does not ...it is a good discussion.

I am not going to candy coat an assessment if I see a kid like our own Jeremiah Davis at Muncie Central acting badly in front of a crowd. If there is bad body language and crotch grabbing I do not think it is prudent not to include it along with the praise and talent assessment we give(and no I am not implying that anyone but JD did that BEFORE you try to twist it). If you say the kid is a winner and holds himself well why would you not also be able to say he had some bad body language. I don't think leaving out any part of the assessment is fair to anyone reading.

Just for the record it is seated.....and there is no underlying problem except for the desire to see more posters and an ever expanding fanbase ...and that will take less chance of a personal attack on an individual secondary to rendering an opinion on what they saw....which is why i said something in the first place.

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