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OhioBobcat
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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/29/2016 4:31:28 PM

allen wrote:

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

As I said on the "what did I miss" thread.

If he was considering transferring to Wisconsin or North Carolina and now maybe Florida,why would O.U. be in the mix ?

That's what I don't get either. Why would he choose to play in antiquated Peden Stadium in front of a lukewarm fan base when he has his pick of football powerhouses to choose from? I'm not buying it.

Why did Big Ben go to Miami?

That is completely talking apples and oranges. First of all, Big Ben wasn't nearly as highly rated as Zaire coming out of HS, not even close. In fact, most schools weren't even looking at him or offering him as a QB, they were looking at them as a TE. Second of all, Big Ben went to Miami and stayed at Miami for his career before leaving for the NFL. He didn't transfer to another school. He didn't go to Notre Dame and leave for a MAC school like Miami. Zaire was heavily rated and recruited and had a ton of offers an options and chose Notre Dame. He boasted about being the best QB in the nation and winning a national championship just over a year ago. Going from starting a game in 2016 for Notre Dame to starting a game in 2017 vs Hampton for Ohio is a world of difference. If Zaire actually ends up at Ohio over his list of options I think it says a lot.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/29/2016 4:37:14 PM

I just read this:

�The former Irish quarterback will practice nowhere this spring, delaying his graduate transfer decision until mid-April, then enrolling at his next stop for summer workouts, according to his father, Imani Zaire.

That�s a change from earlier this month, when Zaire had planned to enroll for spring football � likely at Wisconsin or North Carolina � after his December graduation and full release from Notre Dame. Instead, the quarterback will stay in Arizona this offseason to train with Dennis Gile, who has mentored the quarterback before, including last offseason following the Fiesta Bowl.�

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/29/2016 5:33:07 PM

Zaire is a Film and Television major. If he is interested in a career in broadcasting, OHIO could make sense from an academic perspective....which is what drives most grad transfers.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/29/2016 7:10:04 PM

allen wrote:

C Money wrote:

allen wrote:

He can go undefeated and go to a BCS game.

This is true only under the most liberal definition of "can." In that, yes, it's theoretically possible. But the MAC is so low on the totem pole that it requires going undefeated to get into a NY-6 game, and even then, there has to be chaos in the other G5 conferences. There was a legitimate concern that a 2-loss Navy team would have jumped undefeated WMU had Navy won its conference.

allen wrote:

Why did Big Ben go to Miami.

Because John Cooper wanted him to be a tight end.

At first and then they and Michigan offered him as a QB, but he still went to Miami.

You really have no clue!

And someone please tell this guy that OHIO cannot go to a BCS Bowl.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/29/2016 8:58:52 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

allen wrote:

C Money wrote:

allen wrote:

He can go undefeated and go to a BCS game.

allen wrote:

Why did Big Ben go to Miami.

Because John Cooper wanted him to be a tight end.

At first and then they and Michigan offered him as a QB, but he still went to Miami.

You really have no clue!

And someone please tell this guy that OHIO cannot go to a BCS Bowl.

Medi, Medi, medi. Some people say New year's six and some say BCS bid. I am the one who originally posted that Kirby Hocutt was heading it. http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2016/12/western_mi...

Last Edited: 12/29/2016 9:03:07 PM by allen

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 12:51:05 AM

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 7:05:29 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore,so OHIO won't get to one with any coaching staff.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 11:58:11 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 12:06:08 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

NYS or CFB whatever. Zaire gives us a legitimate shot.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 12:57:43 PM

WRONG.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 1:19:21 PM

Zaire might be going to a school in Ohio, but it won't be in Athens. Notre Dame OC headed to Cincinnati.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 1:41:54 PM

allen wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

NYS or CFB whatever. Zaire gives us a legitimate shot.

NY6 or CFP.

And no Zaire doesnt.

58-98, 816 yds, 6 TD pass
72-324 yds, 2 TD rush
in 15 career games over 3 years.

Doesn't scream superstar

PS

RIP BCS

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

Last Edited: 12/30/2016 1:51:12 PM by bshot44

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 2:38:28 PM

This is a strange thread.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 2:56:58 PM

bshot44 wrote:

allen wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

NYS or CFB whatever. Zaire gives us a legitimate shot.

I will take a 149 QBR any day, 60% completions and no interceptions, 14 yards per completion and a 4.5 yard rushing average against top 25 teams. He went 31-37 in a two game stretch against two top 25 opponents where he was the starter.
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Last Edited: 12/30/2016 2:59:03 PM by allen

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 3:50:33 PM

allen wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

allen wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

NYS or CFB whatever. Zaire gives us a legitimate shot.

You keep throwing these quotes around like somehow they have any bearing on anything. None of us has any control on Ohio recruiting. The power of positivity will not bring Zaire or any other recruit to Ohio. Your incredible desire to get Zaire to Ohio will have no bearing on anything. Sorry.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 4:01:22 PM

bshot44 wrote:

allen wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

allen wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

NYS or CFB whatever. Zaire gives us a legitimate shot.

Listen, I am not the one that said he was coming here. I responded to the confirmation that he was the Christmas gift that Coach Isphording was referring too. I then defended why it would be a good decision, once the no way medi's bum rushed the thought of us getting a superstar QB.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 7:20:17 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Yeah, because there's such a history of success and qb development at OHIO.

While some consider facts, and others just rehash pre-formed opinions, I'll toss out some facts, and two alternate theories to consider.

1. Theory #1 is that Ohio's QBs and QB recruiting was held back by the lack on an Indoor Practice Facility. The Walter Fieldhouse opened in mid year 2014, so 2015 was the first year it was available for over-winter practice. If this theory is true, you'd expect to see improved recruiting starting in 2015, and quarterbacks improving from year to year starting in 2015.

2. Theory #2 is that QB development and recruiting was not as good as it should have been under Gdowski. If true, you'd expect to see minimal QB improvement from year to year prior to 2014. You'd also expect to see a lack of QB development at Vanderbilt since 2014.

Under both theories you'd expect to see improved development since 2014, and improved recruiting as well. As far as recruiting, we are definitely seeing an improvement in recruiting for 2017, but we did not see it prior to this.

As far as QB development, I posted that information in this thread:
http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

Repeating some of that here, under Isphording and/or with the IPF:
Vick improved his passing efficiency from 100 to 134
Sprague improved from 100 to 137
Windham improved from 98 to 118
Maxwell started at 132 his first year, a much higher level than any of the above started at.

So, what about Vanderbilt? In the two years before Gdowski arrived, their team pass efficiency ratings were 138.9 and 135.4. In the three years he has been there, the QB efficiency ratings have been 102.4, 98.3, and 108.3. Did specific quarterbacks improve? Well, there was Johnny McCrary. His efficiency was 114.8 in 2014, and dropped to 101.3 in 2015, and then he seems to have transferred to Mercer. Kyle Shurmer did improve, from 93.9 in 2015 to 110.9 in 2016, but to put that in perspective, it's a fair amount lower than Windham this year.

Conclusions:
1. Individual Ohio quarterbacks have improved dramatically year over year since 2014. Is it because of the coaching change, or because of the IPF? I don't know.
2. Quarterback recruiting for 2017 is much better than prior years (Keszei, Rourke, and some transfer to be named later). 2016 was the first year where we've seen an Isphording recruit on the field, that being Maxwell. He's got a long way to go, but I think it's clear that his play as a Freshman is better than where other quarterbacks were as Freshmen.
3. Quarterback play at Vanderbilt has declined since Gdowski arrived. Is it because of coaching, offensive line play, or recruiting, or something else? I don't know. Vanderbilt also lost a QB to transfer since he arrived (McCrary). Ohio lost several to transfer while Gdowski was at Ohio (Petrziello, Snyder, Bell).

Opinion:
My opinion is that the people who believe that QB play has been an ongoing problem are at least partly correct. There have been good individual players, such as T3 or TT, but there has never been a solid lineup with dependable depth. On the other hand, I believe they are making a common error, and are seeing a problem only in the distant past. Just as the recruiting issues of 2010-2011 were not noticed until 2013-4 (which was after the problem had already been fixed), the QB problem was not really noticed until recently, but has already been solved.

Based on what I see, Ishpording seems to be doing a significantly better job of developing quarterbacks (or is it because of the IPF??). He did not have top QB talent to begin with, but has improved what he has. While fans haven't noticed it yet, recruits do see Ohio quarterbacks improving, and therefore recruiting is now starting to improve.

I think the situation is much like what we saw in the defensive line when Coach Williams arrived in 2012. Ohio's defensive line was depleted, and struggled in 2012-14. Recruiting started picking up in 2013, and now, 4 years later, Ohio has a dominating defensive line. I predict that within the next two years, we're going to see much, much better QBs.

Now, for those who want to attack Solich, go for it. Vanderbilt really helped Solich a lot, hiring away Lightner, and Gdowski. Why didn't Solich replace them earlier? I don't know, but that's the weak point where you can attack him, so go for it. I do believe that on a position by position basis, Ohio has had great player development at all but those two positions, and those two positions have really held Ohio back. I believe coaching at both positions significantly improved under Isphording and Johnson.

Last Edited: 12/30/2016 7:28:20 PM by L.C.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 10:37:59 PM

OhioBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

Thank You!!!! In no less than 4 threads Allen is claiming we can go to a BCS Bowl next year, and he's trying to defend that claim on one. The guy is out in the Wilderness and he's not recreating a battle, he's just lost!

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 10:42:42 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

I am guilty, I was not aware that we played semantics here. My verbage was wrong. My punishment was to become a Medi for 2 hours. i have finished my punishment. I am so sorry.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 10:48:47 PM

allen wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

I am guilty, I was not aware that we played semantics here. My verbage was wrong. My punishment was to become a Medi for 2 hours. i have finished my punishment. I am so sorry.

No, on another thread you actually claim it's still the BCS. Over the past year you have outpaced Monroe on post, and frankly, Monroe makes more sense on most his topics.

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/30/2016 11:06:03 PM

Don't pit me and Monroe against one another. You are the vice president of the participation trophy and third string secretary. Please don't try to elevate yourself on semantics. By the way, I am out of mediocre jail.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/31/2016 2:38:15 AM

L.C. wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Yeah, because there's such a history of success and qb development at OHIO.

Repeating some of that here, under Isphording and/or with the IPF:
Vick improved his passing efficiency from 100 to 134
Sprague improved from 100 to 137
Windham improved from 98 to 118
Maxwell started at 132 his first year, a much higher level than any of the above started at.

Conclusions:
1. Individual Ohio quarterbacks have improved dramatically year over year since 2014..

Some splinter stats may indicate that OHIO qb's have improved since 2014.

Maybe they went from bad to a little less bad.

But I think, based on our achieved W-L records and what the eyeballs see, that you'll have a difficult time on this board selling the 'improvement in quarterbacking' proposition.

Last Edited: 12/31/2016 2:40:02 AM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/31/2016 9:15:36 AM

allen wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioBobcat wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

OHIO will probably never get to a BCS bowl.

Certainly not with this coaching.

BCS Bowls don't exist anymore

This!

I am guilty, I was not aware that we played semantics here. My verbage was wrong. My punishment was to become a Medi for 2 hours. i have finished my punishment. I am so sorry.

It's not semantics. It's the fact when it was pointed out there was no BCS you went to great lengths to argue there was. Instead of just accepting there wasn't...you posted multiple outdated articles from 2011 & 2013 to prove your point.

You continued to fight it.

You were wrong on a simple fact. You refused to acknowledge it. And you fought people on it

Last Edited: 12/31/2016 9:18:34 AM by bshot44

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/31/2016 9:16:06 AM

As far as QB play improving since 2014...there's only one stat that matters.

8-5.
8-6.

Those should change with better play under center

Last Edited: 12/31/2016 9:18:00 AM by bshot44

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RE: Malik Zaire

Posted: 12/31/2016 9:41:58 AM

I sent articles from 2016, I can resend them. If you want to have the last word, have it. I don't play semantics, you know what I am talking about.
From this Article.
The Broncos, ranked No. 21 in the latest College Football Playoff rankings , are looking to stay in contention for a BCS bowl bid and extend their overall win streak to 13, dating to last season. Western Michigan, which had never won 10 games in a season before, needs to win its final two regular-season games and the MAC championship to have a chance at a major bowl.
http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/reply.asp?ForumP...
From an AP site
PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS

The Broncos, ranked No. 21 in the latest College Football Playoff rankings , are looking to stay in contention for a BCS bowl bid and extend their overall win streak to 13, dating to last season. Western Michigan, which had never won 10 games in a season before, needs to win its final two regular-season games and the MAC championship to have a chance at a major bowl.
http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/no-14-western-michi...

Last Edited: 12/31/2016 9:56:03 AM by allen

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