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  Message Not Read  "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 10:40:27 AM 

Reposted from Ric's thread.  Let's give him back that thread.

 

In response to Optimist and others, I started to address various comments with respect to branding, marketing and the communications of Ohio and our athletic programs. 

 

Such as the fact that NO, you don’t build a brand by giving away the product.  You can generate product sampling, but that is not a brand, nor brand building.  In my 30 years of helping clients, uncover, articulate and deliver relevant, impactful brands in the marketplace, giving the product away does not play into it.

 

The mention of naming rights.  First, let’s all be aware that money is not going to the athletic department, but to the academic side.  Second, that effort has no value to those sitting in an arena and very limited value to those in the community.  I can assure you that as of next November, folks in Charlotte will refer to the Time Warner Arena as the “Hive” as the Hornets return.  This same scenerio is going to take place in Athens. No one will refer to the field name at Pedan (remember, we are not naming the stadium, but the field), and “Convo” will live on.  Where naming rights have value is in “broadcast” and other forms of communications. 

 

Which leads to the concern that Ohio is moving ahead with naming rights without (as far as I know), having a ten-year broadcast strategy in place.  As I mentioned in an earlier post, we need to look beyond broadcast as it is defined today, let alone 10 years ago.  Radio/Radio stations are on life support.  TV in 2014 is where radio was in 1956.  The next short-term generation is going to say, “you mean all you did was look a screen, you didn’t interact at all.”  Just as past generations talked about “you actually looked at the radio?”

 

The fact that we are worried about growing the fan base out of our footprint, when we don’t take steps to create a connection with fans within the easiest, and most valuable (long-term) customer base – our students.  Get a student to support and interact with a team while in Athens and you have a fan (and donor) for life.  It is why I suggested a few years ago that we hold “Midnight Madness” uptown – connect now, and you grow later.

 

But then I realized we have an even bigger issue than those points I just mentioned.  The reality is we do not have a brand.  We don’t. 

 

“OHIO” IS NOT A BRAND!!.  It is simply a name.  Just as Apple, Nike and Coke (or is it Coca-Cola) are just names.  A brand is more than that.  “Oh, but we represent the state of Ohio.”  First, that brand path is already occupied.  And second, that  in itself is also not a brand.  That is a definition, and articulation of what we are (or want to be), but not a description of who we are -- or what we stand for.  A brand is a promise of what we provide in a relationship with the customer.  A brand is an articulation of what makes us, and by association those that are part of us, unique.  Special.  Relevant.  A brand is the positive experience you have with it.

 

I have never heard a brand message, promise, whatever you want to call it, articulated by the University, Administraton, anyone on this board, Hell, I do it for a living and I never really gave it much thought.  But if we want to move forward we need to go through the process of uncovering who we are.   Steps, which I won’t bore you with, that would have the marketplace help define us (because companies/entities can deliver a brand, but the customer defines its value). 

 

In developing our brand (not name, brand), we also need to be aware of how others are perceived.  Because a key to a brand is differentiation. 

 

So what are our core competencies? What sets us apart?  I would content that part of it is that we zig when other zag.  We are the ying to their yang.  John Groce was revered.  I would content not because he won in March, but because he “got it.” He understood Ohio, just as Danny Nee did in the 80’s.  Both were a bit of renegades.  Not rebellious, but unique individuals.  Yea, he took us past the first round, but beating Georgetown was sweeter than beating a Georgia Tech.  Took down Georgetown – an establishment team.  Took down Michigan.  Yes the rival state, but also “one of them.”  Made it even sweeter.  He won, but he also oozed “Ohio.” – individuality wrapped in a community, passionate.

 

He also had that “screw you, we’re Ohio” attitude (an attitude I think Christian has as well).  Look at Frank.  Certainly respected, but not revered (despite considerable success, especially compared to history).  I would content he does not “ooze” Ohio. 

 

Look at VCU – Why did they open the bank for Shaka Smart.  Yes, he wins, but he also personifies who VCU wants to be: Intelligent, urban, cutting edge, youthful, hip.  Want to run an ad for VCU – put Shake in front of a camera.

 

We don’t have a brand, I have not seen it defined, and certainly have not seen one communicated – by the University, Administration, anyone.  Want some proof.  Look at those ridiculous promos we run during games. Yes, they are boring and poorly produced.  But they are also embarrassing. -- Embarrassing because they are like everyone else.   And we are not like everyone else.  (zig/zag, ying to yang). 

 

I’m not implying those competencies alone define us.  There is so much more.  Want to capture “OHIO,” put a few cameras on Court Street on Halloween and stream the video.  More alumni will watch part of that than any game versus any opponent.  Not because of the partying and alcohol (which is what the Administration sees), but because of the individuality and social “togethering” that is also part of who we are.

 

Bottom line, we can talk naming rights, call in radio shows, internet broadcasting, etc., etc., etc. all we want.  But until we define who we are and what we (and therefore, those that associate with us) are about, we are simply throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks. 

 

“OHIO” is not a brand.  It is simply a name, a moniker.  Who is “OHIO?”

 

Finally, I am going to move this post to a new thread because the topic has hijacked a thread that should be for Ric.  And it is doing a disservice to him.  God Speed in your recovery Ric.  Your passion, commitment and heart make us proud.

Last Edited: 1/10/2014 10:40:56 AM by cc-cat

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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 11:06:29 AM 
Who is Ohio?

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/weareohio/

Last Edited: 1/10/2014 11:19:21 AM by The Optimist


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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 11:19:15 AM 
cc cat wrote:
The fact that we are worried about growing the fan base out of our footprint, when we don’t take steps to create a connection with fans within the easiest, and most valuable (long-term) customer base – our students.  Get a student to support and interact with a team while in Athens and you have a fan (and donor) for life.  It is why I suggested a few years ago that we hold “Midnight Madness” uptown – connect now, and you grow later.


What makes you think we don't have a good connection with students? Athletics does a ton of things for students with the free food, tailgates, giveaways, etc. Our student support is best in the MAC, bar none...and I think is competitive with some "big time" programs too. I don't really see much of a problem there.

cc cat wrote:
We don’t have a brand, I have not seen it defined, and certainly have not seen one communicated – by the University, Administration, anyone.  Want some proof.  Look at those ridiculous promos we run during games. Yes, they are boring and poorly produced.  But they are also embarrassing. -- Embarrassing because they are like everyone else.   And we are not like everyone else.  (zig/zag, ying to yang).


Agree 100% here. The university commercials have always been terrible. But then again, most university commercial are. They're all the same. Show kids in a classroom, talk about "transformation" learning, finding your path, etc. I'm not sure if I've ever seen one that's memorable in all my years of watching sports on TV.

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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 11:25:54 AM 
Snappy little promotion video but not a brand piece and says nothing about who we are.  Can replace visuals with any school in USA.  Overall web site is same.  Describes what we are not who we are. 

And "we are Ohio."  Tell me did we steal that from Marshall or Penn State?

Simply question for folks.  What make Ohio special?  What do you see as our core competencies?  From the gut and heart, not the dictionary or encyclopedia  (I'm old school - no Wiki!)

Last Edited: 1/10/2014 11:32:07 AM by cc-cat

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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 11:30:51 AM 
catfan28 wrote:
cc cat wrote:
The fact that we are worried about growing the fan base out of our footprint, when we don’t take steps to create a connection with fans within the easiest, and most valuable (long-term) customer base – our students.  Get a student to support and interact with a team while in Athens and you have a fan (and donor) for life.  It is why I suggested a few years ago that we hold “Midnight Madness” uptown – connect now, and you grow later.


What makes you think we don't have a good connection with students? Athletics does a ton of things for students with the free food, tailgates, giveaways, etc. Our student support is best in the MAC, bar none...and I think is competitive with some "big time" programs too. I don't really see much of a problem there.


You may 100% right - much closer to it than I am.  But give-away gets trial, are we building brand - perhaps, again you are closer to it.  What do we do after we "get em"

catfan28 wrote:
cc cat wrote:
We don’t have a brand, I have not seen it defined, and certainly have not seen one communicated – by the University, Administration, anyone.  Want some proof.  Look at those ridiculous promos we run during games. Yes, they are boring and poorly produced.  But they are also embarrassing. -- Embarrassing because they are like everyone else.   And we are not like everyone else.  (zig/zag, ying to yang).


Agree 100% here. The university commercials have always been terrible. But then again, most university commercial are. They're all the same. Show kids in a classroom, talk about "transformation" learning, finding your path, etc. I'm not sure if I've ever seen one that's memorable in all my years of watching sports on TV.



Commercial are all the same because they are often dictated by a scared administration afraid to make a statement about who they are and/or developed/directed by professors that are in marketing or communications (those who can't do teach premise)

Catfan, check out University of Oregon:  http://admissions.uoregon.edu/video
See:   You will, Call me a Duck, Be Bold.

You get a real feel for UO in their communications.

Last Edited: 1/10/2014 12:12:28 PM by cc-cat

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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 11:47:30 AM 
http://www.ohio.edu/brand/


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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:03:45 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
http://www.ohio.edu/brand/


Oh, we have a standards manual on how to use OHIO - irrelevant.  What does it stand for?

And don't point to the Mission, Vision, Core Values and Guiding Principles.  They are a joke, embarrassing and could be written by any faculty member or administrator at any school in the country.  Do you really feel that what is written defines Ohio?  Really?

Vision: Ohio University will be the nation's best transformative learning community where students realize their promise, faculty advance knowledge, staff achieve excellence, and alumni become global leaders."  Yawn.  I can only imagine the effort that went into wordsmithing that baby.

Oh and those core values including...strong undergraduate programs, shared governance, accountability.  That really nails "who we are and what we are about." 

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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:07:29 PM 
cc cat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
http://www.ohio.edu/brand/


Oh, we have a standards manual on how to use OHIO - irrelevant.  What doe sit stand for?

And don't point to the Mission, Vision, Core Values and Guiding Principles.  They are a joke, embarrassing and could be written by any faculty member or administrator at any school in the country.  Do you really feel that what is written defines Ohio?  Really?




And we don't even follow those standards.  From those standards:

The “Paw”

The "Paw" is an historical mark, no longer used to represent Ohio University. While items displaying the Paw may be sold at retail locations in limited quantities for a limited time (such as merchandise from the University's Heritage Collection), the Paw is no longer an institutional mark and may not be used by University offices or organizations to represent Ohio University. Exceptions will not be granted. Please contact Dan Hauser (hauser@ohio.edu) with any questions.

Last game I went watched, the Paw was on the back of the helmets.  To CC's points those, what is Ohio University?  

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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:11:30 PM 
Nobody really reads those things. It's very shallow words.
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:18:30 PM 
catfan28 wrote:
Nobody really reads those things. It's very shallow words.


i remember when those standards came out and tons of printed material got pitched.  i know faculty and staff that simply said "whatever" and I'll do what I want to do.  Maybe that's because we really don't know who we are.  Go into a Whole Foods and you'll very quickly see what they are.  I'm sure others can offer similar examples.  Your brand is the answer to this question - "What is it about . . .?"
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:28:48 PM 
I've often wondered this: Why, nowthat the sports world and the national media have caught on that we're pretty good at more than one sport, haven't we changed our logo? It's not really what cc cat is talking about, but we could use a definitive change in that aspect I think.

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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:36:02 PM 
If "Ohio" is not a brand, then what are we paying all those royalties for?
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:41:12 PM 
Stand_Up_And_Cheer wrote:
If "Ohio" is not a brand, then what are we paying all those royalties for?


We're not paying royalties, we're collecting them on sold merchandise.
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:41:53 PM 
This is a classic marketing and communications question. Perhaps the biggest challenge is the differentiation. Much of what we might come up with could easily apply at many other institutions. I think what CC is driving at is a "feeling." The feeling you had/have as a student.

One challenge in defining that, is that many of our students didn't go to college anywhere else. So how do you make a distinction if you don't know any other institution in the same way?
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:43:05 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Stand_Up_And_Cheer wrote:
If "Ohio" is not a brand, then what are we paying all those royalties for?


We're not paying royalties, we're collecting them on sold merchandise.


I think he means "we" as in you and me, paying a royalty when we buy Ohio merchandise.
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:46:28 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:

I think he means "we" as in you and me, paying a royalty when we buy Ohio merchandise.


Yes, the collective "we"...

"OHIO" is a trademark, and anything you buy, a portion of the sale goes to the school (rightfully so) so...if that's not a brand...
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 12:49:24 PM 
Robert Fox wrote:
This is a classic marketing and communications question. Perhaps the biggest challenge is the differentiation. Much of what we might come up with could easily apply at many other institutions. I think what CC is driving at is a "feeling." The feeling you had/have as a student.

One challenge in defining that, is that many of our students didn't go to college anywhere else. So how do you make a distinction if you don't know any other institution in the same way?


The problem is, I don't think that feeling we all have as alumni of Ohio is something that can be quantified. It's something different entirely. It's hard to put into words what we all love about Ohio, but only we can do it. It's like trying to explain to your friends why you loved OU so much. There's almost too many things to list, but so simplistic that you don't have to say anything at all.

I really think the "once a Bobcat, always a Bobcat" mantra rings so much more true with Ohio than anywhere else. Heck, I know tons of people who went to Ohio State that don't even feel that way. They're associated to the university about 5-6 months out the year from August to January because of football. Although there are some who associate to the basketball team as well. Whereas we associate with Ohio all of the time and I think most alumni do.

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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 1:16:17 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:


The problem is, I don't think that feeling we all have as alumni of Ohio is something that can be quantified. It's something different entirely. It's hard to put into words what we all love about Ohio, but only we can do it. It's like trying to explain to your friends why you loved OU so much. There's almost too many things to list, but so simplistic that you don't have to say anything at all.

I really think the "once a Bobcat, always a Bobcat" mantra rings so much more true with Ohio than anywhere else. Heck, I know tons of people who went to Ohio State that don't even feel that way. They're associated to the university about 5-6 months out the year from August to January because of football. Although there are some who associate to the basketball team as well. Whereas we associate with Ohio all of the time and I think most alumni do.


I think your bolded words above is the challenge in a nutshell that CC is presenting. I agree the "once a Bobcat, always a Bobcat" slogan has some merit. I also like the "My State, My Team" that has been used lately. But here's another challenge: many of my Tennessee friends have only so much patience with my discussing Ohio. In relatively short order, they give me the unspoken "I've heard enough" response.  I try to be sensitive to that, and limit my "fond memories" with my Volunteer friends.

It's similar to sitting through your brother's slide show from his recent vacation. Interesting, but not nearly as interesting to you as it is to him. The branding message for Ohio has to appeal to someone who doesn't have that feeling about Ohio University/Athens. It has to convey that students and alumni do find Ohio University special, but do it without alienating the audience.
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 1:50:22 PM 
The "OHIO" brand is "party." And you don't have to embrace drunken orgies on Court Street to embrace the "party" because "party" is nothing but an attitude towards life:
(1) Relax. Life as a whole (and college in particular) is too short to be nervous about all that ancillary stuff that no one is going to care about when you leave this world.
(2) Relationships. Appreciate people as people, not an agenda item.
(3) Enjoy. If you can't find something that makes you smile, that's your fault.

Whether or not the administration likes the "party" label, we have it, because OHIO is that party attitude. You can build a university on that. You can build an athletics program on that. You can build alumni support, community relationships, and global networks on that.

I have said it before, but the 110 is such a great messenger for the university because they ARE the party attitude. People (not Bobcats) talk about how great and wonderful and awesome The [disputed] Best Damn Band in the Land is. And sure, they're great at what they do, which is march in really precise formations with excellent musicianship.

But would you use the word "party" to describe them? And would you, as a Bobcat, prefer watching T[d]BDBITL over the 110?

Go Bobcats.
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   Posted: 1/10/2014 1:55:24 PM 
While I agree with many of cc's sentiments, Ohio is a brand of the intercollegiate athletics department, not the university as a whole.  This is an academic institution with many constituencies, and several of these have less than positive feelings about our ICA investment. On another point, I believe cc stated that the ICA department will not be the primary beneficiary of naming rights for the Convo and Peden field.  That is not true - these funds, if they ever materialize, will go solely to ICA.  And by the way, it's hard to believe, but we are still stuck on "go" with our fundraising for new football locker rooms.  Been trying for two years and we have yet to raise more than one-third of the necessary funds.  That should tell us all where ICA ranks among many alums.



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   Posted: 1/10/2014 1:58:46 PM 
Kids, do not study marketing.
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   Posted: 1/10/2014 2:20:09 PM 
Stand-up, it is a trademarked name, that is why we get royalties.  It is a legal name we own, but it has not migrated to being a brand - from a marketing perspective.  It does not mean something of consistent value in the market.

Go-Cat - you are correct, if "OHIO" is ever defined, the logo very well might need refining.

Mr. Fox, you are all over it.  Differentiation is difficult, but critical.  It would be interesting to have students at other universities (OSU, MAC, Cincy, etc.) go through the same process as our own students in presenting "what is OHIO" to them.  Through putting together montage of photos, identifying celebrities or characters that personify the college (even if they didn't go there).  Sounds silly, but it is amazing how insightful folks are in articulating what a brand means to them.  You also used a word in a post "unspoken."  I have always found an unspoken bond between OHIO folks.  To me it is captured in "OU...Oh Yea."  (forget it is OU and not OHIO)  If you don't "get" OU...Oh yea" - then you don't get OHIO.

Money is right.  We can't run from "party" - but we can define it, as it doesn't have to mean drinking.  I always found OHIO alive.  Something always going on.  Every weekend I wanted to "Live OHIO" -  It is odd, and maybe just the people I hung around with in school, but we never went home on weekends.  I knew kids at other schools and they went home.  I never understood why.  I felt I was already home.  Every time I returned from break, I felt like I was returning to where I lived...not where I went to school.

Drew, I read the money was going towards academics: Schaus - “Our goal is to apply the resources we get towards academic services.”  I didn't realize it was academic services for the athletic department.  That said, whatever our brand ends up meaning (if it ever means anything), it needs to stand for more than just the athletic teams.
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 2:31:54 PM 
C Money wrote:
The "OHIO" brand is "party." And you don't have to embrace drunken orgies on Court Street to embrace the "party" because "party" is nothing but an attitude towards life:
(1) Relax. Life as a whole (and college in particular) is too short to be nervous about all that ancillary stuff that no one is going to care about when you leave this world.
(2) Relationships. Appreciate people as people, not an agenda item.
(3) Enjoy. If you can't find something that makes you smile, that's your fault.

Whether or not the administration likes the "party" label, we have it, because OHIO is that party attitude. You can build a university on that. You can build an athletics program on that. You can build alumni support, community relationships, and global networks on that.

I have said it before, but the 110 is such a great messenger for the university because they ARE the party attitude. People (not Bobcats) talk about how great and wonderful and awesome The [disputed] Best Damn Band in the Land is. And sure, they're great at what they do, which is march in really precise formations with excellent musicianship.

But would you use the word "party" to describe them? And would you, as a Bobcat, prefer watching T[d]BDBITL over the 110?

Go Bobcats.


A lot of this I agree with.   Not sure the word "party" is what I look for, but I agree with the attitude and idea.  When I think of OHIO, I think of a big Bobcat Family showing Passion and Pride, both for sports teams, but also for the place and the people.  I agree that the attitude and personality of The Marching 110 outlines a lot of this. 

Along these lines, does anyone ever wonder if there might be value in identifying as "OU" rather than "OHIO"?  


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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 2:34:32 PM 
cc cat wrote:
Stand-up, it is a trademarked name, that is why we get royalties.  It is a legal name we own, but it has not migrated to being a brand - from a marketing perspective.  It does not mean something of consistent value in the market.


Tomato/Tomahto I guess...the way I see it "OHIO" is clearly a brand, the brand, and your issues are more with how they are (or aren't) marketing or presenting their brand rather than the lack of one.  Just semantics, I guess.
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  Message Not Read  RE: "OHIO" is not a brand. Who is Ohio?
   Posted: 1/10/2014 2:42:08 PM 
Stand_Up_And_Cheer wrote:
cc cat wrote:
Stand-up, it is a trademarked name, that is why we get royalties.  It is a legal name we own, but it has not migrated to being a brand - from a marketing perspective.  It does not mean something of consistent value in the market.


Tomato/Tomahto I guess...the way I see it "OHIO" is clearly a brand, the brand, and your issues are more with how they are (or aren't) marketing or presenting their brand rather than the lack of one.  Just semantics, I guess.


Call it  brand, but one that has no clear definition or marketing value.  Yes, when I say OHIO is not a brand, I'm referring to the fact it does not mean anything/stand for anything.  It is simply a name/moniker at this point.

Last Edited: 1/10/2014 2:42:59 PM by cc-cat

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