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   Posted: 5/3/2021 2:20:17 PM 
Museums.

I know the art museum is a must see thing. Is the natural history museum in that area really cool? It's not free like the art museum. There is also a botanical garden in that area. The video of Great Lakes Science Center make it look like COSI in C'bus... like it's more for kids than adults.

Other places we will probably go (besides the obvious Rock Hall visit):

Cool downtown places (4th street comedy club, Playhouse area, etc)

Little Italy (+ maybe the Conventry shops incl. City Buddha, the Peru thing, the Candle making place which is not a huge big deal because I made my own double-boiler to pour my own candles here at the house when I get motivated to) but if their candles are as good as the ones from Amish country in Ohio, then I might buy some.

Westside Market and nearby brew houses.

That monument in the middle of downtown to the WINNING side of the civil war since I get tired of seeing all the tribute crappola to the butt-hurt loser side in the area where I live.

As far as visiting the quint little towns like Chagrin Falls, that might have to wait for another Cleveland trip.

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   Posted: 5/3/2021 3:52:21 PM 
greencat wrote:
Museums.

I know the art museum is a must see thing. Is the natural history museum in that area really cool? It's not free like the art museum. There is also a botanical garden in that area. The video of Great Lakes Science Center make it look like COSI in C'bus... like it's more for kids than adults.

Other places we will probably go (besides the obvious Rock Hall visit):

Cool downtown places (4th street comedy club, Playhouse area, etc)

Little Italy (+ maybe the Conventry shops incl. City Buddha, the Peru thing, the Candle making place which is not a huge big deal because I made my own double-boiler to pour my own candles here at the house when I get motivated to) but if their candles are as good as the ones from Amish country in Ohio, then I might buy some.

Westside Market and nearby brew houses.

That monument in the middle of downtown to the WINNING side of the civil war since I get tired of seeing all the tribute crappola to the butt-hurt loser side in the area where I live.

As far as visiting the quint little towns like Chagrin Falls, that might have to wait for another Cleveland trip.



Another museum to visit: Maltz Museum of Jewish Heritage. Currently showing special exhibit titled Notorious RBG. Museum is on Richmond Rd. near Shaker Blvd.

Very fond of Little Italy. My favorite restaurant is Tratoria On The Hill. (Customer parking behind the restaurant.) Check out the 2 patisseries - Presti's and Corbo's.


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   Posted: 5/3/2021 4:10:59 PM 
My daughter would love the RBG exhibit but she's not going on this trip with us (too busy working plus working on a masters through Fiami.)

Both of my parents were Jewish immigrants from Europe, thus I already know the heritage stuff cold since I grew up around it. As far as stopping in at the Hungarian bakery in Ohio City for some authentic dobosh torte? That's an absolute must.

There will probably end up being a second Cleveland trip eventually.
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   Posted: 5/4/2021 12:20:01 AM 
greencat wrote:
That monument in the middle of downtown to the WINNING side of the civil war since I get tired of seeing all the tribute crappola to the butt-hurt loser side in the area where I live.


Huzzah, huzzah! That is one great Civil War monument -- one of the best in the nation. It was designed by Levi Schofield, who also, among many other memorable projects, was the architect for what was then known as the Athens Lunatic Asylum. The folks who work in museum that is in the base of the monument are extremely knowledgeable and helpful. Don't hesitate to ask them questions. One interesting bit of trivia is that Schofield designed the monument so that he would have a good view of it from his office in nearby office building. Enjoy!


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   Posted: 5/4/2021 2:18:46 PM 
I heard something about the museum in the base having been closed for covid but with the pandemic hopefully waning and people finishing up their shots (my second is tomorrow)... more places are opening back up gradually.

The NFL draft may have motivated places to open back up.

Is it safe to walk back to the Westin from Hilarities on a weekend night?

I tried to ask on Reddit if Great Lakes and Market Garden were still doing .10 beers if you show your proof of vaccinations and their system immediately blocked the post. What a bunch of wimps.

Last Edited: 5/4/2021 2:25:29 PM by greencat

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   Posted: 5/5/2021 1:52:43 PM 
In addition to the main Art Museum, they built a Contemporary Art Museum (https://mocacleveland.org /) which is in that same University Circle area. I haven't been but I heard good things. It is walking distance from Little Italy...

The neighborhood that the Westside Market is in (Ohio City) and bordering neighborhood (Tremont) have a number of trendy bars and restaurants.

They did a very nice job on remodeling the park immediately next to the Rock Hall. It's right on the lake (Voinovich Bicentennial Park) and I believe George Voinovich was a Bobcat? Edgewater Park which is just a little west of Downtown is also very nice. Both provide great views of Downtown.

https://clevelandtraveler.com/cleveland-script-signs-guide /

Last Edited: 5/5/2021 1:56:28 PM by The Optimist


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   Posted: 5/6/2021 11:00:13 AM 
greencat wrote:
Museums.

I know the art museum is a must see thing. Is the natural history museum in that area really cool? It's not free like the art museum. There is also a botanical garden in that area. The video of Great Lakes Science Center make it look like COSI in C'bus... like it's more for kids than adults.

Other places we will probably go (besides the obvious Rock Hall visit):

Cool downtown places (4th street comedy club, Playhouse area, etc)

Little Italy (+ maybe the Conventry shops incl. City Buddha, the Peru thing, the Candle making place which is not a huge big deal because I made my own double-boiler to pour my own candles here at the house when I get motivated to) but if their candles are as good as the ones from Amish country in Ohio, then I might buy some.

Westside Market and nearby brew houses.

That monument in the middle of downtown to the WINNING side of the civil war since I get tired of seeing all the tribute crappola to the butt-hurt loser side in the area where I live.

As far as visiting the quint little towns like Chagrin Falls, that might have to wait for another Cleveland trip.



You've got a pretty solid itinerary there. A few notes to consider. Covid has really gutted the West Side Market, making it a bit of a sad shell of its former self. Even before Covid, it was struggling as fewer people were shopping there and more were treating it as a tourist destination and the city mismanaged it to hell. Some of the best vendors are gone, and there's a lot of vacancy. Still a lovely space and well worth the trip, but not what it once was.

And there are no less than seven breweries within a mile, including Great Lakes (know commodity), Hansa (decent and with a great European market attached), Nano (same owner as Market Garden), Market Garden (solid lineup), Bookhouse (great space, hit-and-miss beer), Forest City (great space, crap beer), Brick and Barrel (cool spot near the river but for hopheads only). If you're really into beer, I recommend Noble Beast on Lakeside and Masthead, which is nearby and also downtown. Two underappreciated good spots.

Speaking of downtown, it's been crushed by Covid. Michael Symon's Lola is closed permanently among other fixtures on E. 4th. Downtown in general is pretty dead, as it relies heavily on events and office workers. So calibrate your expectations accordingly.
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   Posted: 5/8/2021 6:56:51 PM 
Hansa looks like it's close to Farkas (Hungarian) Bakery where I have it circled to check out their dobosh torte. When I saw the picture of the dobosh torte at Farkas, I instantly proclaimed "bazdmeg"** because I certainly won't get one like that in Nashville.

**this word is not safe for the workplace especially in Budapest or some parts of Cleveland. I do remember hearing it used by my mother if she dropped an egg in the kitchen while making a cake when I was a kid growing up.
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   Posted: 5/9/2021 12:54:17 PM 
Hansa is directly across the street from Farkas, which you've correctly identified as a spectacular bakery.

Interesting tidbit on Hansa. They were going to be the U.S. brewer of Laško (the biggest beer in Slovenia) because the owner is Slovenian and wanted to add a brewery to his Central European store. After they bought all the equipment to do the brewing (including all controls in Slovenian), Heineken bought Laško and ended the deal. So the American brewers had to figure out how to make all their beer on a Slovenian system with Slovenian controls. In the end they figured it out but it was quite a curveball. Hansa has pretty good beer and serves a few great Slovenian dishes alongside solid Hungarian and German dishes.
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   Posted: 5/13/2021 12:37:04 AM 
The guy who discovered Lucy was the curator of the Cleveland Museum of Natural History at the time, and the skeleton was reconstructed there. It has one of the few casts of Lucy. It also has, weirdly enough, Balto.

Lake View Cemetary, close by, is a recommendation for history types. Famous residents include the Rockefeller family and James A. Garfield.


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   Posted: 5/21/2021 10:42:30 AM 
I hear Cleveland is quite known for the mom & pop diners.

Any favorites?
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   Posted: 5/24/2021 2:43:59 PM 
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I hear Cleveland is quite known for the mom & pop diners.

Any favorites?


There are some good and cheap greasy spoons (though some memorable ones have been lost in recent years), but none really stand out as "destination" type restaurants. Two that stand out a bit to me are Dinerbar on Clifton and West Side Market Cafe. Another one people love is George's Kitchen, which might be popular because it's the cheapest restaurant I know of in Cleveland.
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   Posted: 5/24/2021 2:49:21 PM 
JSF wrote:


Lake View Cemetary, close by, is a recommendation for history types. Famous residents include the Rockefeller family and James A. Garfield.


If you're into history, I recommend the book Destiny of a Republic, the story about the assassination of James Garfield. There are quite a few plot twists in there as well as some interesting names involved in the entire ordeal.
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   Posted: 5/25/2021 12:10:41 AM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
JSF wrote:


Lake View Cemetary, close by, is a recommendation for history types. Famous residents include the Rockefeller family and James A. Garfield.


If you're into history, I recommend the book Destiny of a Republic, the story about the assassination of James Garfield. There are quite a few plot twists in there as well as some interesting names involved in the entire ordeal.


+1 I read this book about two years ago. It is excellent. You really get an appreciation for Garfield and understand the tragedy of his death and its impact on our national history in a profound way. You also come away with a better understanding of medical practice at that time and a real appreciation for Alexander Graham Bell, who invented the metal detector in order to try and find the location of the bullet in the president's body. If it wasn't for the ignorance of the head doctor, he might have really aided in the president's care. It's clear by the end of the book that the president didn't die from the bullet but from the inept medical care. In short, his doctor killed him.


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   Posted: 6/2/2021 5:40:23 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
JSF wrote:


Lake View Cemetary, close by, is a recommendation for history types. Famous residents include the Rockefeller family and James A. Garfield.


If you're into history, I recommend the book Destiny of a Republic, the story about the assassination of James Garfield. There are quite a few plot twists in there as well as some interesting names involved in the entire ordeal.


+1 I read this book about two years ago. It is excellent. You really get an appreciation for Garfield and understand the tragedy of his death and its impact on our national history in a profound way. You also come away with a better understanding of medical practice at that time and a real appreciation for Alexander Graham Bell, who invented the metal detector in order to try and find the location of the bullet in the president's body. If it wasn't for the ignorance of the head doctor, he might have really aided in the president's care. It's clear by the end of the book that the president didn't die from the bullet but from the inept medical care. In short, his doctor killed him.

Is this when PI Elk & Elk opened their doors?
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   Posted: 6/2/2021 6:38:17 PM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
JSF wrote:


Lake View Cemetary, close by, is a recommendation for history types. Famous residents include the Rockefeller family and James A. Garfield.


If you're into history, I recommend the book Destiny of a Republic, the story about the assassination of James Garfield. There are quite a few plot twists in there as well as some interesting names involved in the entire ordeal.


The Garfield monument has been closed for restoration the past few years.
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   Posted: 6/2/2021 11:53:49 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
JSF wrote:


Lake View Cemetary, close by, is a recommendation for history types. Famous residents include the Rockefeller family and James A. Garfield.


If you're into history, I recommend the book Destiny of a Republic, the story about the assassination of James Garfield. There are quite a few plot twists in there as well as some interesting names involved in the entire ordeal.


+1 I read this book about two years ago. It is excellent. You really get an appreciation for Garfield and understand the tragedy of his death and its impact on our national history in a profound way. You also come away with a better understanding of medical practice at that time and a real appreciation for Alexander Graham Bell, who invented the metal detector in order to try and find the location of the bullet in the president's body. If it wasn't for the ignorance of the head doctor, he might have really aided in the president's care. It's clear by the end of the book that the president didn't die from the bullet but from the inept medical care. In short, his doctor killed him.

Is this when PI Elk & Elk opened their doors?


Not sure about that, but it made popular in the American lexicon the expression -- ignorance is bliss. A young doctor toured the country telling folks that Dr. Bliss had killed Garfield by not following antisepsis and inducing an infection in his patient. He would punctuate his point by saying "ignorance is Bliss."

http://orthojournalhms.org/volume15/research/journalArtic...


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   Posted: 6/6/2021 4:42:43 PM 
The Optimist wrote:

The neighborhood that the Westside Market is in (Ohio City) and bordering neighborhood (Tremont) have a number of trendy bars and restaurants.



I was thinking about hitting "Crust" in Tremont one night. Supposedly the Food Network (or whoever) said it was the best thin crust pizza outside of NYC. But what I was wondering, how safe is it to walk (early evening, still light out) from where Crust and "Scoops" is on Professor to where St. Theodosius Russian Orthodox Church is in that neighborhood to take some pictures.
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   Posted: 6/7/2021 9:07:35 AM 
greencat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:

The neighborhood that the Westside Market is in (Ohio City) and bordering neighborhood (Tremont) have a number of trendy bars and restaurants.



I was thinking about hitting "Crust" in Tremont one night. Supposedly the Food Network (or whoever) said it was the best thin crust pizza outside of NYC. But what I was wondering, how safe is it to walk (early evening, still light out) from where Crust and "Scoops" is on Professor to where St. Theodosius Russian Orthodox Church is in that neighborhood to take some pictures.


Tremont has gentrified a lot in the last 30 years, but it's not crime-free by any means. I'd personally feel fine strolling around in daylight - in fact, it is a great way to enjoy spots like Lincoln Park and discover little bars, shops and restaurants that you would miss in a car. That said, there is an element that preys on the moneyed suburbanites and tourists who go to enjoy those very things, particularly after dark. I wouldn't call it an unsafe area per se and I still go down there at night plenty of times. Just be aware of your surroundings. It is far from some urban hellscape, but there have been a number of disturbing incidents like carjackings in recent years. Fortunately, a large ring of teenagers who were apparently responsible for most of the recent carjackings in the city were all caught. https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2021/03/10-teens-involved...
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   Posted: 6/7/2021 9:13:05 AM 
greencat wrote:
The Optimist wrote:

The neighborhood that the Westside Market is in (Ohio City) and bordering neighborhood (Tremont) have a number of trendy bars and restaurants.



I was thinking about hitting "Crust" in Tremont one night. Supposedly the Food Network (or whoever) said it was the best thin crust pizza outside of NYC. But what I was wondering, how safe is it to walk (early evening, still light out) from where Crust and "Scoops" is on Professor to where St. Theodosius Russian Orthodox Church is in that neighborhood to take some pictures.


The "mind your surroundings" advice for Tremont stands for Ohio City and Gordon Square as well. As for pizza, Crust is good, but if you want classic Neapolitan, try Citizen Pie (W. 25) and for what I think it a perfect marriage of NY and Italian style, go to Il Rione in Gordon Square (W. 65).
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   Posted: 6/7/2021 10:38:22 AM 
I echo the thoughts above. I'm usually in this area with a group, but I've never felt unsafe-even after dark. Crust is located right in the middle of a number of restaurants and bars that are going to be pretty heavily frequented on your typical weekends. Just be mindful of where you park and be aware of your surroundings. It's good to know they seem to have addressed the carjackings... That was a stain on an otherwise nice area.


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   Posted: 6/14/2021 1:01:44 AM 
Reports (from some people) of the demise of the West Side Market are totally overblown. There were only a couple of vacant spaces and the place was packed Saturday. The entire 25th area looked like it is doing well nearby but there are still a few empty storefronts. Lots of people with dogs around there. A nice trendy local pet store would do well. Maybe.
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   Posted: 6/14/2021 2:36:13 PM 
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Reports (from some people) of the demise of the West Side Market are totally overblown. There were only a couple of vacant spaces and the place was packed Saturday. The entire 25th area looked like it is doing well nearby but there are still a few empty storefronts. Lots of people with dogs around there. A nice trendy local pet store would do well. Maybe.


Glad you had a nice trip and enjoyed the market, but I stand by my WSM comments. It's nice that it's full of tourists on a Saturday, but it's losing vendors at an alarming clip - particularly those selling actual groceries. I'm glad that people enjoy the space and get their smokies or brat sandwiches for a stroll, but the very thing that makes the place cool is fading away. In just the last year, at least five vendors have left, including Old Country Sausage (authentic German meats), Dohar (Hungarian) and assorted produce vendors. At some point, it'll just be a beautifully made building offering nothing but a few things featured on the Food Network for tourists who only visit on Saturdays. Don't just take my word for it. Most of the vendors/tenants are deeply unhappy. While this is an old article, things have only gotten worse:

https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2019/...
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   Posted: 6/14/2021 10:26:27 PM 
The article was behind a paywall, I didn't get to read it.

I will confirm that the Cleveland Museum of Art is amazing and world class. As a person who spent many years in the music business, I can also confirm that the (cough-cough) "Rock & Roll" (cough-cough) "Hall of Fame" is not in the same universe as the CMA. Not to mention the CMA admission is $0.00 and not $28/per. I would not mind paying the $28 or even double that if the RRHOF was all that it was cracked up to be. But it's not. Luckily for them, there are enough housewives and grandmothers from Dubuque and Peoria who are easily amused by a video footage loop of Elvis, showing scenes everybody in the world already saw a hundred times on every Elvis documentary on every cable channel in history... and footage/displays of non-rockers like Whitney Houston, rap, etc. (While having nothing about Queen, almost no Lez Zep and lots of other legends of rock left mostly or totally out). I emailed them a note saying that the place was borderline appalling and the note I got back from somebody claiming to be a museum curator misidentified bass player John Paul Jones as the person who wrote "Stairway to Heaven." Luckily the CMA didn't confuse Georgia O'Keeffe for Salvador Dali.
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   Posted: 6/16/2021 1:39:32 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
JSF wrote:


Lake View Cemetary, close by, is a recommendation for history types. Famous residents include the Rockefeller family and James A. Garfield.


If you're into history, I recommend the book Destiny of a Republic, the story about the assassination of James Garfield. There are quite a few plot twists in there as well as some interesting names involved in the entire ordeal.


+1 I read this book about two years ago. It is excellent. You really get an appreciation for Garfield and understand the tragedy of his death and its impact on our national history in a profound way. You also come away with a better understanding of medical practice at that time and a real appreciation for Alexander Graham Bell, who invented the metal detector in order to try and find the location of the bullet in the president's body. If it wasn't for the ignorance of the head doctor, he might have really aided in the president's care. It's clear by the end of the book that the president didn't die from the bullet but from the inept medical care. In short, his doctor killed him.

Is this when PI Elk & Elk opened their doors?


After seeing ads during the local CLE news, I now get the "Elk & Elk" quip.

Ambulance chasers?
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