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Topic: RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Topic: RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

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OhioCatFan
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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 11:49:38 AM

There may be more to today's headlines than what you might think. This is a very interesting story that involves much more than the election and any Russian influence on the Trump campaign. I'm for all the facts coming out, wherever the chips my fall. I hope everyone on this board agrees with that. Here's some food for thought.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 11:55:40 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

The attempt by right-wing pundits to smear people who aren't even in office and wield zero power is a pathetic hail mary attempt being engineered by the guilty parties themselves, starting with the top.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 12:16:20 PM

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OhioCatFan wrote:

+1

Very pathetic! And shows the mentality of a 3rd grader, "but they did it too"....Stand and be accountable!

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 12:31:50 PM

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OhioCatFan wrote:

Stay smug. Did you actually watch the video? I know, your side is immaculate. Nothing here. Just move on.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 12:33:22 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Recovering Journalist wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

+1

Very pathetic! And shows the mentality of a 3rd grader, "but they did it too"....Stand and be accountable!

Sorry, please actually watch Tucker's report. He said nothing of the kind.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 1:08:15 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Stay smug. Did you actually watch the video? I know, your side is immaculate. Nothing here. Just move on.

Smug? I haven't felt much of anything about this country aside from despair since last fall. This is just the beginning of what is likely to be a long process, and it's hard for me to find much joy in it. That's especially true because so many of my fellow citizens have devolved into conspiracy theorists who respect blowhards like Tucker Carlson more than the many professionals doing actual journalism on this mess.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 1:24:08 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

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OhioCatFan wrote:

Stay smug. Did you actually watch the video? I know, your side is immaculate. Nothing here. Just move on.

I am all for an honest reckoning regarding Russian influence in American politics. I suspect it's ugly -- for both parties -- but there's nothing at all to this Uranium One story. It's been made clear that the State Department was one of 9 different departments that had to sign off on the Uranium One deal, and that neither Hilary nor the State Department had the ability to influence the Uranium One deal unilaterally.

I have no doubt that both major parties are dirty and up to their neck in outside money. It's disgusting and should be investigated to the full extent of the law.

But posting a story that posits loose, unverified connections between Manafort, Clinton, and the Uranium One deal on the very same morning that news broke that one of Trump's foreign policy advisors plead guilty to lying the FBI about his attempts to collude with Russia is, frankly, not at all useful.

If more evidence arises that the Podesta group and Clinton campaign are as involved in this as the Trump administration clearly is, than I fully support an investigation and criminal charges if warranted.

But until then, we should focus on holding our current leadership accountable, rather than trying all we can to -- again -- make this a partisan issue.

To be very, very clear: One of Trump's foreign policy advisors knew that Russia hacked the DNC's email well before the general public knew, and attempted to arrange meetings to gather that information. He shared that information with still unnamed senior campaign staff, who replied and acknowledged that they would take said meeting but that they needed to take steps to insulate Trump from the fallout .They were aware of the legality of what they were doing.

If, in the end, Mueller ends up implicating Hilary and Podesta and whoever else, great. Whoever's guilty should pay the price. But right now there's nothing beyond speculation that that's the case, and it's the stuff of Russian State Media that Fox News is covering that angle and convincing American citizens that it's important right now.

Our President's campaign manager is going to prison for, amongst other things, secretly acting as a foreign agent to Russia. We are exactly one election cycle removed from the Republican Presidential candidate insisting that Russia was the US's single biggest geopolitical threat. We should all, as Americans, be furious about this. Instead, we're trying to find ways to implicate the other party.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 2:03:50 PM

Here's an actual exchange between Papadopoulos and a High-Ranking Campaign Official, whose name is still redacted.

Subject line: New message from Russia"

"The Russian ministry of foreign affairs messaged and said that if Mr. Trump is unable to make it to Russia, if a campaign rep (me or someone else) can make it for meetings? I am willing to make the trip off the record if it's in the interest of Mr. Trump and the campaign to meet specific people."

After several weeks of further communications, the head of the campaign said to Papadopolous "I would encourage you" and another foreign policy advisor to the Campaign to "make the trip, if it is feasible."

Meanwhile, Sarah Huckabee Sanders just stood up in front of the American people and said that Papadolous offered to take this meeting, and that the campaign never responded.

In other words, she lied to our faces. And it's up to Republicans and Democrats to hold them accountable.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 2:47:27 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Seriously OCF? Come on. I watched the video but I knew as soon as I saw Tucker Carlson's name that I would not be watching anything of substance. The Uranium One story is false. Made up by the Fox News crowd to distract and it has been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked.

At what point will conservatives grow some courage and speak out against the rot that has taken over American conservatism? Is winning that important to you guys that you're willing to overlook anything? When Trump said he could murder someone in cold blood in the middle of the street and not lose his supporters he was half-right. Not only would they still support him but they would scream at the top of their lungs that HILLARY DID IT!

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 2:59:55 PM

This is a pretty good response for those inclined to "whataboutism" from the Washington Post. Note hyperlinks within the article and actual reporting of reality.

On a separate and related note, I don't know how is anyone OK with the nation's president calling the two most decorated and respected newspapers in the country "fake news." It's frankly alarming.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/...

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 4:45:13 PM

Tucker Carlson? Please, OCF.

Meanwhile, I just heard that the FBI is ordering a special pair of tiny handcuffs for possible future arrests. Anyone else hear this?

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 8:33:40 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Tucker Carlson? Please, OCF.

Meanwhile, I just heard that the FBI is ordering a special pair of tiny handcuffs for possible future arrests. Anyone else hear this?

Reports are also that free shuttle service comes with said handcuffs.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 8:35:29 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Recovering Journalist wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

+1

Very pathetic! And shows the mentality of a 3rd grader, "but they did it too"....Stand and be accountable!

Sorry, please actually watch Tucker's report. He said nothing of the kind.

That's what his entire Schtic is!!! Trying to make something up that has been investigated again and again is laughable. However, as an educated man with daughters, I'm kind of shocked you can defend this administration so strongly

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 9:01:21 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

Tucker Carlson? Please, OCF.

Meanwhile, I just heard that the FBI is ordering a special pair of tiny handcuffs for possible future arrests. Anyone else hear this?

Well there was an article that said they were ordering special handcuffs for tiny hands...but that was also from the Borowitz Report ;)

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/30/2017 10:00:05 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Recovering Journalist wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

+1

Very pathetic! And shows the mentality of a 3rd grader, "but they did it too"....Stand and be accountable!

Sorry, please actually watch Tucker's report. He said nothing of the kind.

I'm not a strong defender of this administration. I cringe at many of things that they have done. However, I believe in trying to find all the truth, and it's not as simple as some on here imply. Being a bombastic, unrefined, inconsistent, not very articulate, etc., etc, person is not an impeachable offense, as much as you might wish it was. Also, I still believe him to be better than the alternative last November, and so did a majority of voters in the previously Democratic states (in recent history) of Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. I won't accuse you of being a strong supporter of Hillary, who spent much of her career defending her serial rapist and sexual abuser husband from his accusers, who now says women must always be believed when they make a charge of sexual abuse. Hmm . . . just one of the many ways in which she is a very reprehensible human being.

Last Edited: 10/30/2017 10:04:27 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 8:10:26 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

You're obsessing about what a man did with his penis when he hasn't held elected office in almost 17 years. Never mind that the man in the Oval Office has loudly bragged about committing a legal textbook definition of sexual assault. And somehow you manage to turn the victim of adultery into the real villain. Those are some special mental gymnastics. Never mind that your "unrefined" guy never disclosed his taxes, repeatedly goes to bat for an enemy power, now has proven ties to criminals and has been spending his term dismantling what respect this nation has left in the world among both allies and foes. Your big concern is Bill Clinton's penis and the fact that his wife stayed with him. Brilliant.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 10:59:22 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

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OhioCatFan wrote:

+1

Very pathetic! And shows the mentality of a 3rd grader, "but they did it too"....Stand and be accountable!

Sorry, please actually watch Tucker's report. He said nothing of the kind.

However, I believe in trying to find all the truth, and it's not as simple as some on here imply.

For somebody who believes in trying to find all the truth, you're very willing to let Fox News -- and your leaders -- lie to you over and over again. With all due respect, if you're so willing to believe the things they tell you despite the preponderance of evidence otherwise, it rings hollow when you come in here in search of the truth.

Yesterday marked yet another instance of evidence coming forward that the Trump Administration had improper contact with Russia, and arranged a meeting to obtain illegally hacked emails. They have consistently lied about this subject, and about their contact with Russia in general. That includes, at this point, Jeff Sessions, Jared Kushner, Trump's sons, Paul Manafort, and a foreign policy advisor with a hard to spell Greek name. Two of those people are now going to prison.

That your reaction to that is, essentially, "let's see how the Democrats might be involved" isn't truth seeking. It's you falling hook, line, and sinker for a distraction offered up by politicians that you elected and now refuse to hold accountable.

If Podesta's as dirty as he seems, I hope he's indicted. If Hilary had anything to do with it, I hope she's indicted, too. But right now there is rot at the highest level of our government, and examining that needs to be a higher priority than partisan point scoring.

There's a preponderance of evidence linking the Trump administration to Russia and we owe it to our republic to examine that, and right now, it's conservative voters like you who are keeping that from happening, whether you realize it or not. It's incredibly ironic that the same party that virtue signals their patriotism when NFL players kneel is willing to so blatantly look the other way when Russia illegally interferes in an election.

Party over country, indeed.

Last Edited: 10/31/2017 11:24:40 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 11:39:27 AM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

There's a preponderance of evidence linking the Trump administration to Russia and we owe it to our republic to examine that,

If that's true, he'll be indicted. I guess we'll see.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

...and right now, it's conservative voters like you who are keeping that from happening, whether you realize it or not.

That's just plain silly.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 1:37:07 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

There's a preponderance of evidence linking the Trump administration to Russia and we owe it to our republic to examine that,

If that's true, he'll be indicted. I guess we'll see.

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

...and right now, it's conservative voters like you who are keeping that from happening, whether you realize it or not.

That's just plain silly.

What you're calling silly, without realizing it, is representative democracy. If congressional Republicans thought, even for a moment, that you cared about any of this, they'd act. They work for your vote. But since your vote's safe, they see no need for action.

As for Trump being indicted, I said there's clear evidence linking his administration to Russia. We've seen that already. If you need to see Trump's hands dirty to think his administration should be held accountable, that's a problem.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 1:59:02 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

As for Trump being indicted, I said there's clear evidence linking his administration to Russia. We've seen that already.

You should send that evidence over to Mueller. Apparently, he's still looking for it.

Last Edited: 10/31/2017 1:59:32 PM by Robert Fox

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 2:12:14 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

As for Trump being indicted, I said there's clear evidence linking his administration to Russia. We've seen that already.

You should send that evidence over to Mueller. Apparently, he's still looking for it.

It seems you've been asleep for two days. Do me a favor and check out the news from yesterday and then meet back here so we can debrief.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 3:01:09 PM

Then you've got nothing to worry about. Just sit back and wait for Mueller to close this deal.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 3:07:56 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Then you've got nothing to worry about. Just sit back and wait for Mueller to close this deal.

Actually, I still have all of the same things to worry about that I addressed in my original post. Your two responses didn't address any of those concerns, nor make a salient, relevant point. So we're still at square one.

Since you're having some trouble keeping up, I'll explain what square one is, in this case. It's the fact that conservatives don't seem to care, even a little bit, about the illegal activities uncovered and have seemingly no desire to hold their elected representatives accountable. You're more evidence of that, but again, self awareness isn't your strong suit so it doesn't surprise me that you don't recognize that your responses illustrate my point perfectly.

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 3:12:04 PM

Are you angry?

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RE: How many will kneel at 1:00 today?

Posted: 10/31/2017 3:12:22 PM

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:

As for Trump being indicted, I said there's clear evidence linking his administration to Russia. We've seen that already.

You should send that evidence over to Mueller. Apparently, he's still looking for it.

It seems you've been asleep for two days. Do me a favor and check out the news from yesterday and then meet back here so we can debrief.

You may have missed your calling in life. If things are such a slam dunk how come Mueller & Co. don't know as much as you know .. or think you know? I'd strongly suggest you get in touch with them and pass along the damning evidence.

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