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Topic: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Topic: Living In The Wild, Wild West

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CatsUp
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Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 4:55:47 AM

Seven of the Elite 8 teams are from west of the Mississippi River, including four from west coast states (three from the PAC 12). I haven’t researched it but feel comfortable saying this has never happened before. I would say it has definitely surprised many “experts”.

I’m curious to see going forward if there is a competitive reason for it or if it can simply be dismissed as another example of the uncertainty of “March Madness”. I tend to think it’s the latter but I guess time will tell.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 8:27:25 AM

Only one team (Kansas in 2008) West of the Mississippi has won it all in the last 22 seasons.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 10:48:56 AM

Nice to see a stark contrast from football which is dominated by the East Coast/Southeast.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 12:21:23 PM

I've had this theory that jet lag from traveling across more than one time zone can have an impact on NCAA tournament games. Jet lag seems to affect travelers going west to east more than east to west because they lose hours instead of gaining them. So teams from the Mountain and Pacific zones would be affected if they have to play in the Eastern zone. And I've heard that jet lag is worse the day after, instead of the day of, traveling. So western teams coming to an eastern venue might need a day or two to acclimate. But this year, all the teams but UVA were in Indy at least seven days before their first games, so they would have had time to acclimate to the time zone change.

Like I said, this is just a theory and I haven't done any research on this. But in the past whenever a West Coast team played in the Eastern or Central zones, I pick the other team and am usually right.

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Day Tripper
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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 12:26:23 PM

I thought Indiana, Ohio and Virginia were in the same time zone.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 1:42:52 PM

Most of Indiana is, but some of it is Central I believe. Indianapolis used to be Central.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 1:52:01 PM

I thought the counties in the northwest part of the state near Chicago still remained in the central time zone.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 5:20:02 PM

Map time!

https://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/united-states-time-z...

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 7:55:13 PM

There was time when I was growing up that Indiana, while in the same time zone as Ohio, didn't partake in daylight savings time. I recall traveling from central Ohio to Notre Dame for football games and it was 1 hour earlier after the weekend when we set the clock back but the same time before that weekend (or vice versa). Very confusing for a young man.

Last Edited: 3/29/2021 7:58:12 PM by bobcatsquared

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 8:09:18 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

And some of us who go way back can remember when Ohio didn't switch to DST. When I was in the 5th grade my teacher complained that he missed the Kentucky Derby telecast because he thought the advertised starting time was Ohio time when in fact it was DST, so he was an hour late turning it on. DST didn't start in Ohio until 1970.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 9:23:22 PM

JSF wrote:

Map time!

https://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/united-states-time-z...

El Paso is like "can we be Central Time?"

No.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 11:06:50 PM

Getting back to the original question, this year there are considerably fewer teams from east of the Mississippi than there have been in most previous years. This year, only 38 teams come from east of the Mississippi. In 2018 and 2019 there were 44, there were 47 in 2017, 41 in 2016 and 40 in 2015. Part of it is because some of the usual suspects weren't in the tourney this year, like Duke, UK, Cincy, Xavier and Butler. The Ivy didn't play. The state of Indiana had only one team, instead of the usual two or three. And some of the conferences that straddle the continent had reps only from the west. The American had only two teams (Houston and Wichita St) and CUSA had only North Texas. So at least this year the western US has become more competitive. And it's likely that the logistics have helped even things up. The area west of the Mississippi is almost twice as big as the area east, so the teams likely have more travel during normal years. This year, once they settled into Indy, teams didn't have to travel more than 70 miles, and most traveled just a few miles.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/29/2021 11:41:47 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

JSF wrote:

Map time!

https://www.timetemperature.com/tzus/united-states-time-z...

El Paso is like "can we be Central Time?"

No.

They’re still salty about getting cut out of New Mexico.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/30/2021 1:45:47 PM

The reason that the play-in game cam into existence is that the power conferences were worried about all the schools moving to D1 in the late 80's and 1990s, starting new conferences, and taking away at-large bids with new auto bids. So a deal was cut that capped the auto bids to 30. The 31st conference didn't come into being until the WAC split off the MWC because conferences kept growing from the 8-10 schools that most had been around 1990. The NCAA followed through and created the play-in game. When a 32nd conference got an auto bid the NCAA created a second play-in game and play-ins for the last at-large spots while they were at it. Reading this thread reminded me that were were missing the Ivy's auto bid this year and the rules as I understood them thus would have called for only a single 16/16 play-in game.

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RE: Living In The Wild, Wild West

Posted: 3/30/2021 6:20:11 PM

I grew up around Mansfield in the 1950s and 60s. I seem to remember the Cleveland TV stations being on DST, but we weren’t.

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