Welcome Guest! Create an Account login email: password: remember me: BASKETBALL Latest News News Archive Schedule/Results Multi-Media Recruiting FOOTBALL Latest News News Archive Schedule/Results Multi-Media Recruiting MESSAGE BOARD Message Home - Ohio Basketball - Ohio Basketball Recruiting - The O Zone - Ohio Football - Ohio Football Recruiting - Ohio Volleyball - Ohio Baseball - Ohio Olympic Sports... - General OU Discussion... - Website Feedback... - Posting Policy Edit My Profile Private Messages Logout CHAT LINKS site searchwhere to watchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp Message Board BobcatAttack.com Message Board Ohio Basketball Topic:  RE: Retain Coach Phillips Topic:  RE: Retain Coach Phillips Author Message Broomball @ Midnight! General User Member Since: 4/3/2014 Location: Jacksonville, FL Post Count: 84 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/10/2019 7:00:05 PM  Buckeye to Bobcat wrote: Gman wrote: SBH wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: As I mentioned in another thread, I'd fire JS before I'd fire SP. I can't help but suspect that you want to retain Saul simply because he's been nice to you and fire Jim Schaus because he hasn't. From my perspective, there's only one reason to consider dismissing the AD, and that has been his willingness to let the program wither in the hands of Saul Phillips. Schaus has Ohio Football, Woman's Basketball, Woman's Softball and Baseball headed in the right direction, he just needs to change Men's Basketball coach and Woman's Volleyball coach and all will be good in Bobcat land, Every AD makes hiring mistakes, you learn from it and move on and hopefully he pulls the trigger on Saul when season ends. How is athletic department revenue tracking? Not as well as it should be when you account for the $2.5-million bad investment in the men's basketball head coach. Thanks Saul! Not to mention the increase in support in the program. How large is the traveling party for men's hoops? It looks like there are less players in uniform compared to the suits and golf shirts for most of the road games I've watched. That support isn't free and has been wasted when it comes to performance. Can we get someone in a suit that teach shooting or better recruit players that can? You just got lesson number one: don't think; it can only hurt the ball club. - Crash Davis (1988) BS Ohio '88 - MA Florida '92 - PhD Florida '10 Back to Top jpmo General User Member Since: 12/14/2005 Post Count: 61 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/10/2019 8:55:20 PM  TL;DR 2 year contract, reduction in base salary, more performance comp; friendly buy out clause Even if we win the MAC Tourney this year I wouldn't give him more than 2 years. If we tank next year, we buy out and move on. If we are much improved then an extension may be in order. As of right now, we are last in the league in FT% and second to last in 3P%. Both of those things improve dramatically with a healthy Dartis and Gollon. There is no question we win more games with them. To remind everyone, Dartis has averaged roughly 44% from the 3 point line and has career ~87 FT%. Gollon is 39% from 3 and ~84 FT% as a Bobcat. Had they been healthy and simply shot their averages, they would both be in the MAC top 10 for 3P%. As a team, we are 30% from 3 and 63% FT%. Our current outside shooting is largely in the hands of Kirk (21.7 3p%), BVP (31.4 3p%) and Block (36.2 3p%). BVP has taken more 3 point attempts than all the guards on our team (rightly or wrongly). I see him as the key to getting deep into the MAC tourney. If he shoots well, we will win 2+ games. Given our lack of outside threat, it's shocking that we've been able to score as many as we have in the paint. It wasn't that long ago that many on this board wanted our recruiting efforts focused on increasing size. We once lamented how small our guards were. We have bolstered size, but have done so in exchange for more raw talent that may (D Taylor) or may not (E. Dozier) develop. This is expected and is an obvious strategy. We've gone 3-2 in the last five games with the two losses being for a combined 9 points. One of them a 3 point loss to the 19th ranked team in the country which we owned inside of the paint. But for UB making several highly contested 3pt shots, we might have won by double digits. I'm as mad about the losses as anyone, but I feel like I see the forest through the trees. Count me in the camp that would rather not see our program blown up by showing Saul to the door. You don't have to outrun the bear...just the other guy. Back to Top ohio9704 General User Member Since: 2/11/2006 Post Count: 1,515 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/10/2019 10:58:24 PM  jpmo wrote: TL;DR 2 year contract, reduction in base salary, more performance comp; friendly buy out clause Even if we win the MAC Tourney this year I wouldn't give him more than 2 years. If we tank next year, we buy out and move on. If we are much improved then an extension may be in order. As of right now, we are last in the league in FT% and second to last in 3P%. Both of those things improve dramatically with a healthy Dartis and Gollon. There is no question we win more games with them. To remind everyone, Dartis has averaged roughly 44% from the 3 point line and has career ~87 FT%. Gollon is 39% from 3 and ~84 FT% as a Bobcat. Had they been healthy and simply shot their averages, they would both be in the MAC top 10 for 3P%. As a team, we are 30% from 3 and 63% FT%. Our current outside shooting is largely in the hands of Kirk (21.7 3p%), BVP (31.4 3p%) and Block (36.2 3p%). BVP has taken more 3 point attempts than all the guards on our team (rightly or wrongly). I see him as the key to getting deep into the MAC tourney. If he shoots well, we will win 2+ games. Given our lack of outside threat, it's shocking that we've been able to score as many as we have in the paint. It wasn't that long ago that many on this board wanted our recruiting efforts focused on increasing size. We once lamented how small our guards were. We have bolstered size, but have done so in exchange for more raw talent that may (D Taylor) or may not (E. Dozier) develop. This is expected and is an obvious strategy. We've gone 3-2 in the last five games with the two losses being for a combined 9 points. One of them a 3 point loss to the 19th ranked team in the country which we owned inside of the paint. But for UB making several highly contested 3pt shots, we might have won by double digits. I'm as mad about the losses as anyone, but I feel like I see the forest through the trees. Count me in the camp that would rather not see our program blown up by showing Saul to the door. IF,he is brought back, it has to be a three year deal +. If you dont give him atleast three years, then you give him NO chance to improve recruiting. I would NOT increase or decrease his salary, but I would put performance escalators and automatic years added for reaching the expectations that this program should meet. If he doesnt like those terms, then he can take a walk. That is IF the decision is made to bring him back. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,491 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 7:57:08 AM  Bobcat1998 wrote: 100%Cat wrote: SBH wrote: You call it stability. I call it stasis. By all means, let's add to the millions we've paid someone just so he can finally start to get it right after 5 years. Even by Jeff's own account, we're finally seeing improvement in recruiting...in Year 5. If Saul is renewed, I'll end my 20-plus years as a season ticket holder. I'll start this by saying I'm 100% on the fence, teetering both ways. I think Saul has had a horrible run of luck, but I am also not happy with where we are right now. Results are results, but it's also not like we don't have or haven't had any talent brought in by this staff, either. Tony Campbell wasn't a Saul recruit, but did he not blossom under this staff? He brought in Jaaron who broke Cooper's single season assist record. Jordan Dartis, if he plays another year, likely will go down as the all time leader in made 3's at Ohio. Carter has been very good. Preston and BVP look very promising for freshmen. James Gollon was looking like a very solid player before getting hurt. Ryan Taylor, had he not transferred closer to home, would have been a star here (starred at Evansville and now is playing big minutes in the Big Ten). He brought in Kenny Kaminski. He transformed Mike Laster and Treg Setty into very good and beloved MAC players. But, results are results, and seasons like this certainly sting. All that said, we tend to think of Saul's time at NDSU as being very good, but he had just one 20-win season in the first 5 years. In years 6 and 7, 24 wins and 26 wins (including the Oklahoma NCAA upset). He did make one other NCAA tourney in Year 2, that's the difference in the first 5 years there vs here. If we cut ties with him after 5 years, could we be making the move too soon and missing out on some good years? You can't say it's not possible. I guess I'm in the position that I can accept whatever happens. If he gets another short deal, I can see why. There's young talent here that seems to have a lot of upside, and Buffalo is going to be coming back to the pack. There's no way they won't given the players (and potentially coach) they will lose after this year. Who else in the MAC truly scares you? BG? Given the year we have had, in 80 minutes vs BG this year, we were as good or better than them for 75% of those two games. One bad half at BG. I don't see the rest of the MAC (outside Buffalo currently) that feels light years ahead of us. On the other hand, it's not been a fun last two years and if it's decided to go in another direction, I won't have a problem with that, either. It's a results business, and the results haven't been there in the last two seasons. Fresh blood might breathe some fire into the program that hasn't felt present since Jaaron famously dribbled out the clock on his way to the Michigan pine. Delusional much? He did not help Laster. In fact he held Laster back. Look at the scenarios by which Mike blossomed. He had to wait for transfers or injuries to get on the court soph and jr year. And the only explanation is that Saul held him back, not that there were better players in front of him? Who should he have been playing over? He averaged nearly 19 minutes per game as a freshman and only averaged 3.8 pts/game, senior season it was 33 minutes and 14.5 pts/game. I don't think I'm all that delusional. Back to Top catfan28 General User Member Since: 6/11/2011 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 1,503 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 9:29:32 AM  SBH wrote: Saul wants a raise and a minimum of three year extension. How does that sit with folks? We're not just talking about renewing him at $550k per. If true (and I haven't heard anything like this), he deserves to be fired. That shows a man blatantly out of touch with reality. He should feel very blessed to be retained at all, even if his salary were reduced. If I'm the AD and those are his demands, I don't even think about negotiating. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,920 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 9:58:05 AM  Here's something to keep in mind when talking about the thin front line that Ohio is likely to have in the near future: it's not changing anytime soon no matter who the coach is. Next year, Ohio is going to be thin up front unless some drastic change is made by bringing in a JUCO, grad transfer or some freshman who can play day one. It would need to be a Kevin Mickle type guy, but better. However, I'm not overly upset about a starting lineup that looks like this: 1-Preston 2-Dartis 3-Kirk 4a-BVP 4b-Carter The bench would need to get way better, and that includes Murrell and Cowart who have played well in spurts this year. But I'm not confident that this rotation will get Ohio any closer to the upper tier of the MAC. Simply, they need more UMPF (insert fist pump here). Jimmy G's open scholarship, in my opinion, is the most important piece of this offseason. We gotta get some hard value out of it. Back to Top FearLeon General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 4,128 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 10:59:40 AM  GoCats105 wrote: Here's something to keep in mind when talking about the thin front line that Ohio is likely to have in the near future: it's not changing anytime soon no matter who the coach is. Next year, Ohio is going to be thin up front unless some drastic change is made by bringing in a JUCO, grad transfer or some freshman who can play day one. It would need to be a Kevin Mickle type guy, but better. However, I'm not overly upset about a starting lineup that looks like this: 1-Preston 2-Dartis 3-Kirk 4a-BVP 4b-Carter The bench would need to get way better, and that includes Murrell and Cowart who have played well in spurts this year. But I'm not confident that this rotation will get Ohio any closer to the upper tier of the MAC. Simply, they need more UMPF (insert fist pump here). Jimmy G's open scholarship, in my opinion, is the most important piece of this offseason. We gotta get some hard value out of it. Where do the rebounds come from that starting five? #BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT Back to Top Chicken George General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 762 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 11:18:50 AM  GoCats105 wrote: Here's something to keep in mind when talking about the thin front line that Ohio is likely to have in the near future: it's not changing anytime soon no matter who the coach is. Next year, Ohio is going to be thin up front unless some drastic change is made by bringing in a JUCO, grad transfer or some freshman who can play day one. It would need to be a Kevin Mickle type guy, but better. However, I'm not overly upset about a starting lineup that looks like this: 1-Preston 2-Dartis 3-Kirk 4a-BVP 4b-Carter The bench would need to get way better, and that includes Murrell and Cowart who have played well in spurts this year. But I'm not confident that this rotation will get Ohio any closer to the upper tier of the MAC. Simply, they need more UMPF (insert fist pump here). Jimmy G's open scholarship, in my opinion, is the most important piece of this offseason. We gotta get some hard value out of it. Help me follow the rationale here—- So subtract Taylor, Block and Gollon (maybe) Add Dartis even though rumors vary anywhere from won’t physically be able to play-to-grad transfer-to-staying + another year of experience for everyone Bottom 3 of MAC, but psyched with above .500 (3-2) finish to regular season AND the Net-Net of this equation is “you’re ok for next year?” So basically roll the same lineup (-3 and maybe +1) and hope same recipe tastes different the second time through the oven? Just trying to understand the mindset? Last Edited: 3/11/2019 11:30:56 AM by Chicken George Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,306 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 11:37:49 AM  FearLeon wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Here's something to keep in mind when talking about the thin front line that Ohio is likely to have in the near future: it's not changing anytime soon no matter who the coach is. Next year, Ohio is going to be thin up front unless some drastic change is made by bringing in a JUCO, grad transfer or some freshman who can play day one. It would need to be a Kevin Mickle type guy, but better. However, I'm not overly upset about a starting lineup that looks like this: 1-Preston 2-Dartis 3-Kirk 4a-BVP 4b-Carter The bench would need to get way better, and that includes Murrell and Cowart who have played well in spurts this year. But I'm not confident that this rotation will get Ohio any closer to the upper tier of the MAC. Simply, they need more UMPF (insert fist pump here). Jimmy G's open scholarship, in my opinion, is the most important piece of this offseason. We gotta get some hard value out of it. Where do the rebounds come from that starting five? Wouldn't say we'd be a rebounding powerhouse, but I do like the way our guards contribute to rebounding. Tk and Preston both grab boards by the bunches. We don't have to rely on a Brandon hunter or Leon to grab 10-15 / game Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,085 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 12:27:00 PM  I feel like, if we roll out nearly the same team for next year as this year, it gives us ample time to focus our attention on the football team. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 1:18:25 PM  I'm in utter disbelief that this is an ongoing discussion. Even Saul's advocates are pointing to some of the saddest indicators of "success" possible. "We'd have won 18 games without injuries!" "We just beat a horrible Miami team at home!" If that's the best you can do given our cupcake schedule, your argument in year five is horrendous - just like our results have been. I get that he's nice. It's not nice to be 6-12 in the conference in the fifth year of a very expensive regime. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,920 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 2:49:27 PM  Chicken George wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Here's something to keep in mind when talking about the thin front line that Ohio is likely to have in the near future: it's not changing anytime soon no matter who the coach is. Next year, Ohio is going to be thin up front unless some drastic change is made by bringing in a JUCO, grad transfer or some freshman who can play day one. It would need to be a Kevin Mickle type guy, but better. However, I'm not overly upset about a starting lineup that looks like this: 1-Preston 2-Dartis 3-Kirk 4a-BVP 4b-Carter The bench would need to get way better, and that includes Murrell and Cowart who have played well in spurts this year. But I'm not confident that this rotation will get Ohio any closer to the upper tier of the MAC. Simply, they need more UMPF (insert fist pump here). Jimmy G's open scholarship, in my opinion, is the most important piece of this offseason. We gotta get some hard value out of it. Help me follow the rationale here—- So subtract Taylor, Block and Gollon (maybe) Add Dartis even though rumors vary anywhere from won’t physically be able to play-to-grad transfer-to-staying + another year of experience for everyone Bottom 3 of MAC, but psyched with above .500 (3-2) finish to regular season AND the Net-Net of this equation is “you’re ok for next year?” So basically roll the same lineup (-3 and maybe +1) and hope same recipe tastes different the second time through the oven? Just trying to understand the mindset? I didn't say this was the rationale. It's probably fact if all come back and we either retain Saul or bring in someone new. The lineups aren't going to change as much as people think. A lot of these guys have used a redshirt year already so moving on would kill their chances for playing time. If Dartis comes back, THAT is our best lineup. I'm not saying it's good or bad, I'm just trying to show people that if you're expecting crazy roster changes then prepare to be disappointed. A couple guys could leave, but not a lot. Last Edited: 3/11/2019 2:53:25 PM by GoCats105 Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,920 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 2:58:13 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: FearLeon wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Here's something to keep in mind when talking about the thin front line that Ohio is likely to have in the near future: it's not changing anytime soon no matter who the coach is. Next year, Ohio is going to be thin up front unless some drastic change is made by bringing in a JUCO, grad transfer or some freshman who can play day one. It would need to be a Kevin Mickle type guy, but better. However, I'm not overly upset about a starting lineup that looks like this: 1-Preston 2-Dartis 3-Kirk 4a-BVP 4b-Carter The bench would need to get way better, and that includes Murrell and Cowart who have played well in spurts this year. But I'm not confident that this rotation will get Ohio any closer to the upper tier of the MAC. Simply, they need more UMPF (insert fist pump here). Jimmy G's open scholarship, in my opinion, is the most important piece of this offseason. We gotta get some hard value out of it. Where do the rebounds come from that starting five? Wouldn't say we'd be a rebounding powerhouse, but I do like the way our guards contribute to rebounding. Tk and Preston both grab boards by the bunches. We don't have to rely on a Brandon hunter or Leon to grab 10-15 / game FWIW it's not like we're all that great right now WITH Doug. Jason averages more than Doug. TK and BVP both average 5+ per game with Doug and Jason at 6+. Preston a little over 3.5. That's why I think the JUCO or grad transfer big is going to be important. Back to Top DJCooperBurnerAccount General User Member Since: 2/4/2019 Post Count: 142 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 10:01:35 PM  Saul should be gone as soon as the bus returns to Athens. This is embarrassing.... Back to Top Gallia Cat General User Member Since: 7/11/2010 Post Count: 938 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 10:14:14 PM  The program is stale and a change is needed. If he is retained the program will be set back for years. I’m sure he’s a great guy but it’s just not working and I don’t see it getting better. Rip the bandage off and let’s get this rebuild started and hope we can retain a few of our key players. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,491 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 10:14:36 PM  DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote: Saul should be gone as soon as the bus returns to Athens. This is embarrassing.... I concur. I’ve seen enough. Hit the reset button. Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,399 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 10:23:19 PM  Probably reading too much into this but Russ said Saul had a lot of friends and family from Wisconsin at the game. Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,042 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 10:28:35 PM  Ted Thompson wrote: Probably reading too much into this but Russ said Saul had a lot of friends and family from Wisconsin at the game. Is this typical on trips to NIU? Or more so for this game, possibly his last as Ohio coach? Back to Top oubobcatjohn General User Member Since: 1/1/2005 Post Count: 803 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 10:29:59 PM  The results after 5 years say it all. These are 100% his recruits. He owns this mess. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,920 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 10:31:15 PM  Ted Thompson wrote: Probably reading too much into this but Russ said Saul had a lot of friends and family from Wisconsin at the game. I dont think you're reading too much into at all... Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 10:37:43 PM  Short of a 20-point comeback in the next 10 minutes I don’t see how anyone could believe Saul will get a new contract. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Buckeye to Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/10/2013 Post Count: 1,776 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 11:03:14 PM  Not to post it again, but it's time to fire up the jukebox https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMVjToYOjbM Back to Top BBFan General User Member Since: 12/25/2015 Post Count: 21 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 11:03:51 PM  I agree with you Jeff. Saul Phillips is a first class coach and man. I think he needs two more years! Back to Top ExCat21 General User Member Since: 9/29/2014 Post Count: 904 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 11:10:11 PM  Ya'll ready for the real show now.....bring on the Lady Cats! Our girls are fa real! And with Buffalo and CMU on the other side of the bracket.....our girls can win the MAC! Back to Top BobcatPride General User Member Since: 3/14/2005 Post Count: 137 Status: Offline     RE: Retain Coach Phillips    Posted: 3/11/2019 11:14:19 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Ted Thompson wrote: Probably reading too much into this but Russ said Saul had a lot of friends and family from Wisconsin at the game. I dont think you're reading too much into at all... No Ted, I’d bet you’re reading exactly the right thing. I wonder what Saul says at the post-game microphone. Back to Top Showing Replies:   76 - 100  of 146 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 215 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 213 Guests 2 Registered Users:   Bobcat61, spongeBOB CATpants There are no other users looking at this page.

Copyright ©2024 BobcatAttack.com. All rights reserved.  |  Privacy Policy  |  Terms of Use
Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties