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Topic: RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Topic: RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

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PalmerFest
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 6:31:54 PM

There must be a lot of cash on the table to still consider that hot mess.

medler
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 6:36:05 PM

I'll take door number 3, please....

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5858/i...

/grabs popcorn
//sits back and enjoys show

Last Edited: 3/27/2012 6:38:02 PM by medler

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athena
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 6:43:33 PM

Brian Williams is wearing an orange and blue tie on the news tonight and it's making me irrationally angry.

OUbobcat9092
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 6:45:32 PM

It's more purple and yellow...

Bring Back Men's Track & Field

athena
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 6:48:32 PM

See how upset I am? I don't even know my colors anymore!

(Seriously, it looks orange and blue on my tv.)

BuddyLee
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 6:59:01 PM

And DOWN the stretch they go, it's Shaka Smart and Brad Stevens neck and neck, it's Smart it's Stevens, now on the outside here comes the longshot John Groce, Groce passing Smart and Stevens and it's Groce with a big lead coming to the finish the winner is................Kendall Gill?

How did we get dragged into this mess, just get this over with Illinois and spare us all the freaking drama.

medler
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:00:19 PM

FWIW...and I suspect some U of I fan will be scampering across BA.com to read this...Illinois is a joke.

All the things you've read about the university...especially its leadership and athletic department...is legendary across high schools in Illinois. The past 5 years have underscored their ineptitude in so many ways.

My thoughts are that Groce will end up at Illinois. However, I received a text from a friend who is a HUGE Illinois grad/fan and he wonders: "If Groce is so good and smart, why would he ever come to Illinois."

That is all I need to know. Robert Smith (current Simeon HS coach) believes he should be the next head coach and said as much in the Simeon HS pep rally after the team returned from winning the 4A title. He essentially told everyone that if you want a Simeon player (or any city player) you better hire me. Plus, he and many Public League coaches are furious they are hiring Groce. Why? Because he's an outsider.

Illinois is a disaster and Chicago public league (and suburban leagues) are also in shambles. Everyone wants a piece of pie when Illinois comes looking for players.

Guess who paid for Chicago Public League coaches to attend the final four? Well....his first name begins with a "C" and ends in "pari"....and coaches at Kentucky.

This is a dirtbag job filled with dirtbags and if you want to win you either recruit with the dirtbags or you're out.

Sorry...this whole situation is a mess.

Let's GO HAWKS!

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:02:45 PM

Why would Groce want to walk into this mess? Illinois is a disaster waiting to happen.

Come back to Athens, win a regular season MAC title, then find a better situation next year.

OhioStunter
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:13:17 PM

It's 6 p.m. in Illinois and here's what we know based on this thread:

-John Groce is still in an airplane

-It is disturbing that we can track airplanes this closely

-athena needs to adjust the colors on the TV (Brian Williams is not an Illinois fan)

-Twitter is not always reliable

-Some U of I trustees are very classy

-U of I fans do not like Groce

-OHIO fans love Groce

Recovering Journalist
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:15:30 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Come back to Athens, win a regular season MAC title, then find a better situation next year.

We gotta let it go. I hope he takes the Illinois job, because he's clearly plans to take something. If we get this over with today, it'll give our program more time to find a new coach. I'm sad to see him go, but it's pretty apparent he already told the players he's gone. Let's say Illinois falls through and nothing else materializes (highly unlikely) and he sticks around. How does he recruit? How does it make the program stable? I say this with no resentment, and I wish him well, but Illinois or not, it's over for Groce here.

Ozcat
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:17:14 PM

Medler, I owe you an apology. I said a week ago that I believed that Illinois was still a high tier job, and that Groce should take it if he got the call. I was completely wrong. The longer this goes on, the uglier it looks, and I really can't believe Groce has not reconsidered based on what a hot mess the Illinois program appears to be right now.

medler
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:19:06 PM

I don't want to hog the board, but someone seriously needs to sit Groce down and tell him "Absolutely not."

Spare the ego. Hell...his potential team at U of I will already be in shambles. They don't play defense, they do their own thing, they don't follow rules, and some of them have helicopter parents that demand that nothing changes.

Plus...U of I's leadership and BoT is corrupt...it's athletic department gets the shaft because the upper tier of leadership can't agree on the color of the sky and the faculty (who is quite good and its academic offerings are stellar) fight tooth and nail for everything.

Groce can go (I've gotten over that part of the story), but we are witnessing Illinois incompetence.

The best part? The alumni are embarrassed, but are now frustrated that the Chicago media is paying attention (Chicago media...ND>Illinois) and calling their alma mater for being the joke that it is right now.

Ozcat...you don't need to apologize. Don't we assume that schools that call themselves "Big Time" act like it?

I've had too many negative contacts with U of I while a coach. Whether its dealing with summer camps, team/player visits, etc. Plus, those closer to the bball program than myself roll their eyes at all of this mess.

Last Edited: 3/27/2012 7:23:46 PM by medler

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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:22:24 PM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Come back to Athens, win a regular season MAC title, then find a better situation next year.

No hurry. Our top candidate isn't available until next Tuesday, or Sunday at the earliest anyway.

Also according to Arkley "sources" say we made an offer of 500k to Groce.

Last Edited: 3/27/2012 7:22:43 PM by bigtillyoopsupsideurhead

Chuck_IV
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:27:12 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Recovering Journalist wrote:

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

Come back to Athens, win a regular season MAC title, then find a better situation next year.

No hurry. Our top candidate isn't available until next Tuesday, or Sunday at the earliest anyway.

Also according to Arkley "sources" say we made an offer of 500k to Groce.

That's it? No wonder he is still considering Ill. To me that's a little low. Ya think they would be able to push it to at LEAST 750k.

Class of 88

medler
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:32:22 PM

Wanna throw more on this pile?

A pretty strong rumor is turning up with some of my U of I friends that has Craig Robinson, Michelle Obama's brother, is now on some of the BoT list of desirable coaches.

It also came up recently on the Illinois message board, but they were not connecting dots yet...

So....add Craig Robinson's name to the mess.

Illinois sucks....

Let's GO HAWKS!

athena
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:33:23 PM

medler wrote:

Illinois sucks....

Worse than M!a#!.

CATman
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:35:51 PM

Keep in mind this is (almost entirely) guaranteed money in these situations. Bruce Weber was shown the door and got a nice departing gift of 3.9 million dollars.

Money isn't everything but even if JG fizzles out, his family is set for life if he manages it correctly. His contract is likely 10+ million at a school like Illinois. Regardless of how you slice it, that is life changing money.

I'm not really rooting for either side at this point. I would obviously LOVE for him to come back but I also think Groce has earned this opportunity. For it to be taken away by some board of trustee members on a power trip would be pretty sad.

My high school basketball coach had an old saying.....There are two things that don't last: Dogs that chase cars and teams that don't make free-throws.

PalmerFest
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:36:45 PM

medler wrote:

This doesn't surprise me at all. I bet it happens.

OhioStunter
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:40:10 PM

So would a dream scenario be:

1. Illinois signs Groce to a hefty contract

2. U of I trustees balk, contract rescinded with a hefty buyout clause

3. Groce returns to Ohio, with a fatter wallet thanks to Illinois, and a desire to make the Final Four next season.

Mike Coleman
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:41:48 PM

PalmerFest wrote:

medler wrote:

This doesn't surprise me at all. I bet it happens.

Blago is pulling the strings from the pen.

Bobcat110
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:43:17 PM

medler wrote:

Illinois BOT Montgomery confirms he feels Groce is "2nd tier" and suggested Robinson:

Quote:

"I just became concerned that they were now getting into a second tier," Montgomery said. "I sent a communication to the president and the chairman of the trustee board, Christopher Kennedy, giving them the resume of a gentleman from Oregon State University," Montgomery said, referring to Craig Robinson, the Beavers' head coach and Michelle Obama's brother.

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/286820482c7f42e3b6dd7c93ccfea248/BKC--Illinois-Coaching-Search/

This Montgomery is talking out of both sides of his mouth...he says he's trusting AD Thomas...but then sending out notes to the other Trustees that he wants other people looked at.

Last Edited: 3/27/2012 7:46:39 PM by Bobcat110

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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:43:53 PM

OhioStunter wrote:

I'm pretty sure the trustees have to approve the contract before it is signed.

MedinaCat
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:47:01 PM

This now qualifies as a "cluster."

ts1227
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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:47:01 PM

Bobcat110 wrote:

medler wrote:

Illinois BOT Montgomery confirms he feels Groce is "2nd tier" and suggested Robinson:

Quote:

http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/286820482c7f42e3b6dd7c93ccfea248/BKC--Illinois-Coaching-Search/

I don't know if there is enough pull there to actually change anything. There are only two BOT members bent on hiring a black guy regardless of circumstance, and they got outvoted on the Beckman hire before when they pulled this BS. If the others want Groce, they'll ram it right past Montgomery and the other one.

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RE: A quick thought on Groce/Illinois...

Posted: 3/27/2012 7:49:07 PM

Chuck_IV wrote:

[That's it? No wonder he is still considering Ill. To me that's a little low. Ya think they would be able to push it to at LEAST 750k.

It really just depends how it was framed. What if it was something like a Shaka Smart deal, ala stay here as long as you'd like.

If the AD presented Groce with an 8 year deal that starts at 500K, that's nothing to sneeze at. Incentives can bump it higher but a base of 500K with lets say 5% yearly increases over the life of the contract would be:

2012: $500,000
2013: $525,000
2014: $551,250
2015: $578,812
2016: $607,753
2017: $638, 140
2018: $670,047
2019: $703,550

So an 8 year deal, starting at 500K (with 5% increases), would have a total value of 4.8 million. It's not Illinois money but that is a pretty strong contract offer if the AD was willing to put an extended deal (5+ years) on the table.

It's unlikely he finishes such a contract (he's probably bound to leave at some point) but it is certainly a ton of job security in a profession that can chew people up and spit them out.

My high school basketball coach had an old saying.....There are two things that don't last: Dogs that chase cars and teams that don't make free-throws.

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