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Topic:  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago

Topic:  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
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Bob Haldeman
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 12:36:24 AM 
Really speaks to the character of the coach and department. Embarrassing.
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 1:34:12 AM 
Let me start by saying that I have no sympathy for criminals and I agree with those who think Dan Enos and CMU have been irresponsible in only giving a 2 game suspension to Thomas Rawls.

With that being said, it is absolute BS for a WMU fan to come onto our board and start a thread accusing a player of being convicted of a felony when that is 100% a lie.

Thomas Rawls plead guilty to attempted larceny from a building, a misdemeanor. As part of the plea bargain all felony charges were dropped. Rawls was NOT convicted of a felony. What Rawls and his friends did was wrong, but let's put it into the proper context. According to reports Rawls and his friends found a purse sitting unattended in a chair in a casino at 3am. They took it and used the credit cards to buy some sandwiches and put some gas in their car. They did not beat up the 62 year old woman that owned the purse and they did not rob her at gun point. They took advantage of her carelessness/absentmindedness. Word of advice- if you don't want your purse stolen, don't leave it lying around in a casino at 3 in the morning.

Something similar happened to me just a couple of weeks ago, I stopped at a drive thru after work and paid with my debit card. Either I dropped the card when it was handed back to me or it wasn't handed back at all and I didn't realize it but either way I didn't notice it was missing until later that night. The next day I searched my car and couldn't find it so I called the restaurant to see if they had it and they did not. I then checked my bank statement online and saw where my card had been used to by $6 of food at Wendy's and $25 in gas. I called the bank, they cancelled the card and immediately and refunded the money. Yeah I'm mad that someone took my card but I should have been less careless, and nobody got hurt. To think somebody would become a felon and serve hard time for that is crazy.

These young men should be punished by the judicial system, and they will be. But throwing them in prison and turning them into convicted felons is not the answer. I could go on about our for-profit prison culture but I won't. Bottom line, Rawls messed up and the judicial system will appropriately punish him for his actions, its a shame CMU won't do the same.

Last Edited: 10/3/2014 1:37:58 AM by perimeterpost

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cincybobcat99
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 8:02:02 AM 
perimeterpost wrote:
These young men should be punished by the judicial system, and they will be. But throwing them in prison and turning them into convicted felons is not the answer. I could go on about our for-profit prison culture but I won't. Bottom line, Rawls messed up and the judicial system will appropriately punish him for his actions, its a shame CMU won't do the same.


I think the bigger issue is that this occurred while he was still at UM and CMU accepted his baggage. Honestly, if this occurred with any of our players in the offseason, I think we would think getting held out of two games was appropriate punishment (given the type of crime committed). But I also believe in giving second chances to young men you have invested your time in and you know their character.
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 10:04:07 AM 
cincybobcat99 wrote:
perimeterpost wrote:
These young men should be punished by the judicial system, and they will be. But throwing them in prison and turning them into convicted felons is not the answer. I could go on about our for-profit prison culture but I won't. Bottom line, Rawls messed up and the judicial system will appropriately punish him for his actions, its a shame CMU won't do the same.


I think the bigger issue is that this occurred while he was still at UM and CMU accepted his baggage. Honestly, if this occurred with any of our players in the offseason, I think we would think getting held out of two games was appropriate punishment (given the type of crime committed). But I also believe in giving second chances to young men you have invested your time in and you know their character.


My feeling is that he should be out from the guilty plea through sentencing and until he has completed whatever he owes the people. If he deceived the coaches by withholding information about the proceedings I do not know how they can continue to work together. If this would mean his choices cost him the rest of his college football career, he should have known better.

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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 1:00:12 PM 
Glass houses, we have had players with misdemeanors who never missed a down. This is CMU's issue, and they are the ones who have to live with the outcomes. The WMU fan coming on here is another issue in itself.
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 1:14:48 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Glass houses, we have had players with misdemeanors who never missed a down. This is CMU's issue, and they are the ones who have to live with the outcomes. The WMU fan coming on here is another issue in itself.


I agree with the first part, but I don't see the WMU fan as an "issue." He started a thread that has sparked a nice discussion. Isn't that a good thing? In fact, I always enjoy the non-troll visits from other fan bases.
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 1:49:45 PM 
cincybobcat99 wrote:
...Honestly, if this occurred with any of our players in the offseason, I think we would think getting held out of two games was appropriate punishment (given the type of crime committed). But I also believe in giving second chances to young men you have invested your time in and you know their character.

The most comparable situation at Ohio was the recent sitution with Windham. When he was charged with a Felony, he was dismissed from the team. It was only after his charge was reduced to a misdemeanor and his sentence was reduced to probation, that he was allowed to rejoin the team. In the meantime, I believe he missed an entire season, as well as Spring practice.

That said, I agree, this is CMU's problem not Ohio's.

BillyTheCat wrote:
Glass houses, we have had players with misdemeanors who never missed a down. This is CMU's issue, and they are the ones who have to live with the outcomes. The WMU fan coming on here is another issue in itself.

The bigger problem of the WMU fan coming on here is that the title of the thread is false. He was CHARGED with a felony, but convicted of a misdemeanor.

Last Edited: 10/3/2014 1:50:45 PM by L.C.

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C Money
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 1:56:32 PM 
L.C. wrote:

The most comparable situation at Ohio was the recent sitution with Windham. When he was charged with a Felony, he was dismissed from the team. It was only after his charge was reduced to a misdemeanor and his sentence was reduced to probation, that he was allowed to rejoin the team.


In a way, Windham's punishment is still continuing. If he hadn't been arrested and dismissed from the team, he's probably preparing for his second start. Instead, he has to watch from the sidelines (barring injury or blow-out).
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 2:01:27 PM 
C Money wrote:
L.C. wrote:

The most comparable situation at Ohio was the recent sitution with Windham. When he was charged with a Felony, he was dismissed from the team. It was only after his charge was reduced to a misdemeanor and his sentence was reduced to probation, that he was allowed to rejoin the team.


In a way, Windham's punishment is still continuing. If he hadn't been arrested and dismissed from the team, he's probably preparing for his second start. Instead, he has to watch from the sidelines (barring injury or blow-out).


Choices. He made his. He is fortunate to have been allowed back.

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Jeff McKinney
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/3/2014 2:14:52 PM 
I just edited the original subject from "felony" to "misdemeanor."
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Chipdip49
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/4/2014 6:23:27 PM 
A high court misdemeanor is a felony, but the court changes the name to give felons with futures a chance at getting a job without having to check the "have you ever been convicted of a felony" box.

As bad as your team looks today, if the felon were booted off the team as he should have been you might have won this game. Who says, crime doesn't pay.

Last Edited: 10/4/2014 6:25:56 PM by Chipdip49
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/4/2014 6:26:22 PM 
Chipdip49 wrote:
A high court misdemeanor is a felony, but the court changes the name to give felons with futures a chance at getting a job without having to check the "have you ever been convicted of a felony" box.


Prove this.

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Chipdip49
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/4/2014 6:40:23 PM 
There's a sitting judge on our site and two lawyers. They explained it. Basically a political move by the MI legislature to give first time felons a break down the road. Doesn't mean they wont face the same sentence as a felon convicted of the same crime, just keeps it off their record.

I don't get why you want to defend this. The MAC is a legit student athlete conference. Rawls was charged with three felonies. He was convicted two weeks ago and his coach brought him back just in time to light your team up.

Like I said, I guess the moral to this story is crime does pay.
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/4/2014 6:43:47 PM 
Your Helen Lovejoy act is wearing thin.
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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/4/2014 7:05:12 PM 
Chipdip49 wrote:
There's a sitting judge on our site and two lawyers. They explained it. Basically a political move by the MI legislature to give first time felons a break down the road. Doesn't mean they wont face the same sentence as a felon convicted of the same crime, just keeps it off their record.


This is not proof. Cite something.

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I don't get why you want to defend this.


Please reference where anyone said CMU's actions were acceptable.

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  Message Not Read  RE: CMU starting RB was convicted of a felony 2 weeks ago
   Posted: 10/4/2014 9:55:07 PM 
Chipdip49 wrote:
There's a sitting judge on our site and two lawyers. They explained it. Basically a political move by the MI legislature to give first time felons a break down the road. Doesn't mean they wont face the same sentence as a felon convicted of the same crime, just keeps it off their record.

I don't get why you want to defend this. The MAC is a legit student athlete conference. Rawls was charged with three felonies. He was convicted two weeks ago and his coach brought him back just in time to light your team up.

Like I said, I guess the moral to this story is crime does pay.


I've gone back through your posts and don't see where you claim to have done any of the things you want us to do. Have you contacted the MAC office? Have you contacted the media? If you have, what was the result?

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   Posted: 10/4/2014 11:34:33 PM 
I'd charge their whole team with feloneous assault after today.
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