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Topic: RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Topic: RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

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bobcat28
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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 8:40:06 AM

The Optimist wrote:

Brutus' facebook profile picture...

http://www.thelantern.com/campus/brutus-can-t-break-silence-about-bobcat-brawl-1.1640012

On another note, it's scary how his facebook page is unsearchable, but it took me maybe 20 seconds to find it, along with what is likely his phone number. Just a warning to you kids out there...

40 seconds was enough facebook creeping for me this week.

AMAZING. He actually looks like Brutus out of costume as well.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 8:41:19 AM

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls?pCat=114&sCat=368

Just in case you anyone was curious about ESPN Sports Nation. You can vote here.

O'Doyle Rules!!!!

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 8:54:41 AM

lol... Look at the map under the poll... with the exception of 3 states (Ohio being 1), Rufus is being voted as a hero.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 9:01:04 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

DA: Obviously you do not read the Dispatch, the regional coverage of the situation in the Plains by the Columbus media has been quite good, there have been stories of the opening of Weld House as a shelter and other assistance that Ohio University has given. Channel 4 has been in The Plains the past two days. This has been national news, not because of Ohio State but because #1 it is amusing #2 it lacks sportsmanship. As evidence by a quick google search this mascot antics thing is almost always news, national and regional. I can remember the Sausage race where the idiot hit one with the bat, the drunk Stanford tree, the Oregon Duck, and not one of those had ties to Ohio State and yet they still found their way onto the National scene. Just the way things are in the age of instant media and 24 hour news.

Pretty sure my statement referenced the rediculousness this being above the fold three days after the event, but thanks for the update none the less.

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And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 9:14:06 AM

ODoyle110 wrote:

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/polls?pCat=114&sCat=368

Just in case you anyone was curious about ESPN Sports Nation. You can vote here.

Looking at the map, maybe we can get that home-and-home with Boise State that Love is craving. They love us there.

John C. Wanamaker
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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 9:14:06 AM

Well the Messenger has an article on this 4 days after the fact, so what does that say about our own coverage?

Speaking of the article, Jason Arkley does an outstanding job pointing out how bad Ohio University looks, for the boot on the Equipment truck "while it was being loaded" and the fact that Hanning was not a student at the time and doesn't care that he's been banned from Ohio events. "Both stories, at their core, are jokes. Nonsensical, Abusrd. And funny. But here's the thing OU they're laughing at you - not with you" Sums up my thoughts to a T

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 10:47:12 AM

Mr. Mo Jo Risin wrote:

The initial tackle attempt was funny.

The punch to the face is semi-funny and the picture is funnier.

The attempted punch to the groin is not even slightly funny.

I'm certainly not politically correct, but it ceases to be funny when a person, unprovoked, actually tries to cause harm to another person.

People on this board love to bash Robert Reynolds and his Barry Alvarez-endorsed 1-game suspension (Yep, Tressel is win-at-all-costs by sitting him against very good Iowa and bringing him back for Indiana). Yet, I would want my neck and jewels protected equally, and the mascots are not even caught up in the heat of a physically competitive game. A direct punch to the testicles can cause some serious, long-term damage.

Edit: Plus, Brutus has been a woman in the past, so Rufus could have very well been attacking a college female.

I guess I have always thought Ohio University is above taking pleasure in WWE-like publicity.

MoJo,

I (and I'm pretty sure I'm the only one on this board) absolutely have criticized the Reynolds situation and other examples of Vest Discipline by Convenience in the past. As you'll also see via other posts though, I am not one that finds the Rufus fiasco even remotely humorous. I see it for the black eye that it is on many levels. This leaves your argument without merit.

On a related note, I'm sure the Big 10 front office had nothing at all to do with Barry's endorsement of that joke of a punishment in an effort to extinguish the spotlight as quickly as possible. Do you honestly think if that had been a non conference game they'd have reached out to the other school for approval? The Vest suspended a 3^rd string QB for more than half the season for soliciting a prostitute. Now I am by no means condoning that behavior, but I'm pretty sure it's no where near as serious an offense as assault.

DA,

Your post regarding the tornado damage / recovery was dead on. I just wanted to set the record straight and will publicly vow to leave this and any other A&M related commentary in the cupboard until we play them again and I can honestly say never would be too soon...

GoBobcats!!!! Always have been and always will be... Ohio's First and Finest!

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 11:01:34 AM

The publicity is great. No one outside of the immediate Ohio family is going to latch on to the non-student thing, so dismiss it. Folks now know there are two schools: Ohio and Ohio State University - Columbus (as US News properly identifies the school). As far as Cutler Hall - don't care. Tough that a few people had a bad day at work.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 11:05:37 AM

CC: point you are missing here is at the end of the day those in Cutler Hall are the ones who matter, especially in this day of politics and budgets on campus, those guys and gals need a good image to help the fight.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 11:31:42 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Somebody better tell the media to stop posting those "party school" rankings.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 11:34:29 AM

Cutler has little control over the national rankings (personally I think they could do more to discourage), but they have direct control how those in uniform conduct themselves, and how those preform who oversee things like Rufus.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 11:51:04 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

I don't feel bad for the people in charge of Rufus. They deserve it. They didn't do their job correctly and should hear about it in a not very nice way. It was an embarassment to them.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 11:51:39 AM

this alone made my monday morning start off a good note.... seriously

take a step back all you die-hard fans and laugh. this will be old news after saturday

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 11:55:16 AM

ok i thought i was done posting but the people doing their job post is absurd.

no one could have controlled what this kid was going to do. obviously the kid was planning it so he could have told whoever in charge whatever they wanted to hear just to get the gig.

no one on this site should be calling for peoples jobs - taking it way too far my friend

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 12:03:40 PM

HighStreetHooligan wrote:

No one called for anyone's job, at least I didn't, and yes those in charge of Rufus failed to follow protocol and allowed a non-student to participate. The guy was asleep at the wheel.

"Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half."

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 12:07:02 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

And the point you are missing here, John, is that decisions regarding athletic budgets are not going to be made on the basis of a one-time incident of questionable embarassment to the school committed by a rogue mascot. At the end of the day, this isn't going to have any effect on the greater issues at play. It's small potatoes. Lighten up a little, my friend.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 12:15:19 PM

You don't think negative publicity makes things harder to defend and even promote?

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 12:43:37 PM

I can SOMEWHAT understand the non-student situation and determining that factor.

The first 2 weeks of the quarter are a mess in determining status. I would have at least one student each quarter who had problems with loans/Financial Aid, and therefore were not enrolled yet were showing up to class. Also, you're free to add/drop any class within the first 10 days, so status can bounce around from enrolled to not enrolled for 2 weeks straight... I don't think Housing/Res Life bothers hunting down people with 0 credit hours until after 2 weeks.

I don't know what info OU would have regarding him withdrawing since he apparently transferred to Hocking, but Hocking doesn't start until next week so who knows. If he hadn't formally withdrawn from here, he still could have registered for classes up to gameday in Columbus.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 12:43:54 PM

Arkley reports people are laughing at us while Troop reports it is the best publicity we have had since Georgetown.

Both are journalists.

Which one is right? Likely both are right, and both are wrong to some degree.

However, there are 310,000,000 people in the US, 6,700,000,000 in the world. And 99.99% of them don't even know this prank happened.

Next...

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 12:52:12 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

You don't think negative publicity makes things harder to defend and even promote?

First of all, given the way the story has played out it's not clear to me just how negative this publicity is. I would probably agree that it makes our athletic program look a little small time, but I don't think it has any effect on the public's perception of the university in general. I also believe this is the type of story that will soon be forgotten in a few days. Ohio University is rarely in the media spotlight, so incidents like this can seem like a bigger deal at the time than they really are in hindsight.

Even if it doesn't go away, though, I just don't see how this is going to have more than a trivial effect on funding decisions. Those decisions are made in light of the overall budget climate, the priorities of the administration, the general competitiveness of the athletic programs, etc. The one-time actions of a rogue mascot are not going to significantly alter the opinion of the key decisionmakers regarding athletics at Ohio University. Do you really think that this incident has changed President McDavis' view of the value of athletics? The faculties'? The trustees'? At the end of the day, these are all fairly rational people/constituencies, who understand that significant decisions regarding the direction of the university shouldn't be made on the basis of a couple days of questionable media coverage that is soon quickly forgotten.

Last Edited: 9/22/2010 12:58:26 PM by Flomo-genized

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 1:02:44 PM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

You don't think negative publicity makes things harder to defend and even promote?

As a business owner and CEO, I would be disturbed if Cutler got their panties in a knot over this and re-direct funding, but DID NOT over the arrests and behavior of members of our teams then THEY deserve to have BAD days. The team members in uniform (and the leaders that allow poor behavior to continue and even be rewarded - "sure, you can come back on the team, we'll just bounce this kid from the team to make a spot for you....again.") are the ones that Cutler should be concerned with. Don't put all that on this event. That is absurd. It is a kid in a costume.

Last Edited: 9/22/2010 1:21:54 PM by cc-cat

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 1:03:54 PM

Flomo-genized wrote:

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

You don't think negative publicity makes things harder to defend and even promote?

I think crap rolls down hill, and in this case it rolled down hill and picked up steam! Trustees and the administration are leaders, much like business leaders (many of them are) in the fact that things associated with them represent them and reflect upon them. I have found it interesting that the ones on this board who are business or CEO level people have either all slammed this action or have been silent. They are looking at this from a different perspective than the guy watching on TV with his hands down his pants. I do not believe this has any direct effect on funding decisions, and I do think this is another straw upon the camels back.

Last Edited: 9/22/2010 1:05:18 PM by John C. Wanamaker

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 1:04:30 PM

As an outsider I have resisted commenting, but have read the discussion with interest because oddly, I agree with virtually all the posts.
1. Someone was asleep at the wheel to allow a non-student to participate, and they should be reprimanded.
2. Ohio did owe OSU an apology, and acted promptly and responsibly in giving a very appropriate and well-written one.
3. Cutler hall should in no way be pleased with this. They can not condone something like this.
4. Ohio acted appropriately in banning the student, about all it had the authority to do.
5. The student could be charged with assault - it was an assault, and he admits it was premeditated. He probably won't be, though.
6. There is no real way to effectively prevent something like this. Even if they had limited Rufus to students, some actual student could have plotted the same thing.
7. While parts of the interaction were perhaps humorous, there was nothing funny about the attempted blow below the belt.
8. In the long run most of the details will be quickly forgotten, but the photo of Rufus tackling the nut will live on.
9. The incident has without a doubt increased the national awareness that Ohio and OSU are not the same.
10. In the long run this will not have a negative impact on the University, because the University dealt with it quickly and appropriately, but it may have some limited long term positive impact from increased awareness of Ohio University.

Anyway, I thought that in 10 pages of posts on this, there were very few that didn't make good points.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 1:10:40 PM

L.C. wrote:

what he said.

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RE: RUFUS vs. brutus: THE FIGHT

Posted: 9/22/2010 1:25:20 PM

L.C. wrote:

Agreed on all points. Also, to expand on point 6 and tie it in to some previous discussions, while it's also true that this could happen at a school like Ohio State with their mascot, it's alot less likely to happen there. You have a student body that loves their buckeyes, their mascot, their tradition. It's clear from his interviews that this guy doesn't really care about Ohio University Athletics. He's just a former student that wanted alittle attention. He got it.

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