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  Message Not Read  MAC Athletic Budgets 2010-11 (Football)
   Posted: 11/6/2011 11:27:25 AM 
I have here listed from the Department of Education the basketball expense numbers from last year. I have included Temple and Umass in the number because they play football in the MAC. The full data set can be found on another board linked below.

Total Football Expenses (In millions)
Temple 10.1
Miami 7.0
WMU 6.9
OHIO 6.8
Toledo 6.4
NIU 6.0
Buffalo 5.9
CMU 5.8
Ball St 5.7
Akron 5.5
EMU 5.0
UMass 4.8
BGSU 4.8
Kent 4.8

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Athletic Budgets 2010-11 (Football)
   Posted: 11/6/2011 7:33:54 PM 
I thought it would be interesting to see how many of these programs are making money for their respective institutions.  I couldn't find data for Temple, Northern Illinois or Western Michigan but the figures below come from the IndyStar NCAA Reports database::

School              Football operating Gain/ <Loss>

Ohio                              <$920,000>
Ball State                     <$3 Million>
BGSU                           <$1.3 Million>
CMU                                   ---
EMU                              <$1.3 Million>
KSU                              <$2.7 Million>
Fiami                                 ---
Toledo                          <$2.2 Million>
Akron                            <$31,000>
UMASS                         <$2.8 Million>

The losses total over $14,000,000. 

Meanwhile, O$U spends $33 Million on its football program and makes money.  Alabama spends $28 Million on its football program and makes money.  Notre Dame spends $19 Million on its football program and makes money out the wazoo.

There comes a point where you have to admit defeat and look at alternatives. The MAC schools cannot compete in this arms race against the college football super powers.  In these times of ideologically driven and excessive cuts to budgets for higher education it is irresponsible to continue to lose money at such a pace on inter-collegiate athletics.  Is it fair to tell a promising student in need of financial assistance "sorry, we have no aid for you because we blew the money on a struggling football program"? 

Any sane person would say no.  Is the primary purpose of a University to educate people or is it to field marginally competitive sports programs that lose money?
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   Posted: 11/6/2011 7:36:04 PM 
Oh, and I couldn't find any data on Buffalo either.
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   Posted: 11/6/2011 8:14:23 PM 

How much is the marketing budget?  The National TV exposure from ONLY last Wednesday and the SC reruns throughout Thursday and mentions throughout Saturday including Game Day on National and International TV alone are worth more to Ohio University than 920,000.  

Three more and a possible FIVE more National and Internationally televised games to go. As stated when Frank was hired; the football program is the front door to the University. It would cost millions more for such large scale exposure.  

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   Posted: 11/6/2011 9:11:52 PM 
DublinCat wrote:

How much is the marketing budget?  The National TV exposure from ONLY last Wednesday and the SC reruns throughout Thursday and mentions throughout Saturday including Game Day on National and International TV alone are worth more to Ohio University than 920,000.  

Three more and a possible FIVE more National and Internationally televised games to go. As stated when Frank was hired; the football program is the front door to the University. It would cost millions more for such large scale exposure.  



But please quantify how this has improved the situation at OU?  Yes, Wednesday night was fun and so was the Pitt game and the trip to Mobile.   But the buzz has warn off.  Are we as an institution any better off than we were in 2005?  Many would say that the quality of education at OU is worse today than it was six years ago.  I can say this without hesitation or reservation, the campus looks much worse today than it did 6 years ago and the figure on differed maintenance is way more than it was.  In short, this place is falling apart at the seams.  Come down and spend a couple of days and I'd be more than happy to show you what so many are talking about.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Athletic Budgets 2010-11 (Football)
   Posted: 11/6/2011 9:43:11 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:


   But the buzz has warn off.  Are we as an institution any better off than we were in 2005?  Many would say that the quality of education at OU is worse today than it was six years ago.


What people? And how are you measuring the quality of education?

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 I can say this without hesitation or reservation, the campus looks much worse today than it did 6 years ago and the figure on differed maintenance is way more than it was.  In short, this place is falling apart at the seams.  Come down and spend a couple of days and I'd be more than happy to show you what so many are talking about.



What parts "look" worse?


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   Posted: 11/6/2011 10:00:13 PM 

Alan, I agree.  Most universities are in the same boat. The above notion was it’s because of football spending $920,000.  In my opinion, they better hope for more national exposure.  The pool of prospective students willing to go way in debt and spend ridiculous amounts of money on an education is going to be shrinking fast. 

I graduated in 1987.  The OU campus looks like a first rate Country Club compared to when I attended.  Since then the cost of higher education has increased dramatically beyond the rate of inflation. 

http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/20/pf/college/college_price.moneymag/

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/23/education/23tuition.html

http://consumerist.com/2007/10/college-costs-rising-at-double-the-inflation-rate.html 

I speak to HR executives daily.  I have attended in person meetings with them in all but two states.  (a lot of companies)  More and more of them would rather train their employees themselves.  My professional opinion is there is a real college bubble and it is about to bust.  The current model is simply not sustainable. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45183544/ns/us_news-life/#.TrdDe_SAq0s

When a large majority can run to the polls and vote themselves a raise based on participation it’s only going to get us there faster.  At some point you have to produce results equal to the value of your product. 

Personally, I am hoping the Cat’s play five more National TV games this year.  By the end of December a much larger number of HS juniors and seniors will know about Ohio University and the Bobcats. 

 

 

Last Edited: 11/6/2011 10:03:45 PM by DublinCat

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Athletic Budgets 2010-11 (Football)
   Posted: 11/6/2011 10:07:18 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
DublinCat wrote:

How much is the marketing budget?  The National TV exposure from ONLY last Wednesday and the SC reruns throughout Thursday and mentions throughout Saturday including Game Day on National and International TV alone are worth more to Ohio University than 920,000.  

Three more and a possible FIVE more National and Internationally televised games to go. As stated when Frank was hired; the football program is the front door to the University. It would cost millions more for such large scale exposure.  



But please quantify how this has improved the situation at OU?  Yes, Wednesday night was fun and so was the Pitt game and the trip to Mobile.   But the buzz has warn off.  Are we as an institution any better off than we were in 2005?  Many would say that the quality of education at OU is worse today than it was six years ago.  I can say this without hesitation or reservation, the campus looks much worse today than it did 6 years ago and the figure on differed maintenance is way more than it was.  In short, this place is falling apart at the seams.  Come down and spend a couple of days and I'd be more than happy to show you what so many are talking about.


I guess the PR campaign and request by the Athletic Department to have the media and public to refer to us as "Ohio" has failed miserably!
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Athletic Budgets 2010-11 (Football)
   Posted: 11/6/2011 10:21:53 PM 
Bobcat Grad 86 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
DublinCat wrote:

How much is the marketing budget?  The National TV exposure from ONLY last Wednesday and the SC reruns throughout Thursday and mentions throughout Saturday including Game Day on National and International TV alone are worth more to Ohio University than 920,000.  

Three more and a possible FIVE more National and Internationally televised games to go. As stated when Frank was hired; the football program is the front door to the University. It would cost millions more for such large scale exposure.  



But please quantify how this has improved the situation at OU?  Yes, Wednesday night was fun and so was the Pitt game and the trip to Mobile.   But the buzz has warn off.  Are we as an institution any better off than we were in 2005?  Many would say that the quality of education at OU is worse today than it was six years ago.  I can say this without hesitation or reservation, the campus looks much worse today than it did 6 years ago and the figure on differed maintenance is way more than it was.  In short, this place is falling apart at the seams.  Come down and spend a couple of days and I'd be more than happy to show you what so many are talking about.


I guess the PR campaign and request by the Athletic Department to have the media and public to refer to us as "Ohio" has failed miserably!


Don't bug him, Alan is just exercising his First Amendment rights to be a contrarian.  

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Athletic Budgets 2010-11 (Football)
   Posted: 11/6/2011 10:28:55 PM 
One budget item we have talked about on another thread is replacing the Field Turf in Peden.  I went to a High School game at the University of Richmond last night and their field looked a bit worn from the stands.  In today's paper they mentioned they are planning to replace the field this off-season.  The field was installed in 2004 at a cost of $850,000.00 which included the initial drainage system.  It is estimated that it will cost $450,000 to replace the turf.  The article also mentioned the field has been used as the practice field for football and other sports which contributed to its wear the past eight years. I think this is the 10th season for our field with the majority of practices in the stadium.

I found an article about the groundskeeper at the old city stadium where the Spiders played in up until the year before last and the annual budget to maintain the natural turf field was between $100,000 and $150,000 annually.

The new stadium was the track and field complex, not a large stadium, but very nice.
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   Posted: 11/7/2011 3:03:55 AM 
If the school is spending 6.8 million dollars on its football budget and making 5.9 million in revenue from it then how does that compare with spending 6 million on olympic sports and making nothing from it? Football gets the scapegoat but football is key to making an athletic department financially viable. That figure of 6.8 million includes everything in the line items. The real cost to operate the football program is 3.0 million. The remainder of the football budget number is line item accounting adding in scholarships and revenues. For spending 3 million out of pocket on a football team the university and community gets a good ROI for it. Every home football game pumps 1 million dollars into the local Athens economy. Ticket sales, athletic donations, marketing rights, concessions, the value of ESPN exposure for the university, conference distributions. The school is more than justified running a MAC level football program. Ohio averaged only 3,000 a game that would be a different issue but there is enough interest to say its worth it to go on.

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   Posted: 11/7/2011 8:28:44 AM 
Zaleski wrote:

There comes a point where you have to admit defeat and look at alternatives. The MAC schools cannot compete in this arms race against the college football super powers.  In these times of ideologically driven and excessive cuts to budgets for higher education it is irresponsible to continue to lose money at such a pace on inter-collegiate athletics.  Is it fair to tell a promising student in need of financial assistance "sorry, we have no aid for you because we blew the money on a struggling football program"? 

Any sane person would say no.  Is the primary purpose of a University to educate people or is it to field marginally competitive sports programs that lose money?


What is the outcome then to be here? Do MAC schools band together and say we can't do this, we will all drop our football programs effective next season? We will slash our marketing revenue by 2/3. We will slash our athletic donations by 3/4. We will cut our alumni engagement by half.  Could a MAC school pinch a few pennies in the process maybe for some of the lower tier schools. 

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   Posted: 11/7/2011 9:20:10 AM 
And New Baker has lost money every year since it opened, a lot of money, and students tuition pays to operate it.  So we should doze it, no doubt.

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   Posted: 11/7/2011 11:29:45 AM 
And heck, while we're at it...

I'm not a theatre major... bulldoze all that crap.

And NOBODY speaks Latin anymore; it's a dead language.  Fire those instructors and burn those books; Let's use the salaries, and resources for something revenue generating... like, say, a Chipotle.

Art History? Heck, nobody will get a job with an Art History major, may as well free up those resources, too.

How long can we expect the Scripts School of Journalism to subsidize all these other crappy majors?!

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   Posted: 11/7/2011 11:51:34 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:

  Are we as an institution any better off than we were in 2005?  Many would say that the quality of education at OU is worse today than it was six years ago.
 

We've had this conversation a million times and this is still false. The quality of student has continued to increase and outcomes have improved as well. I'm not going to waste my time mining the data because it has been done multiple times.


Alan Swank wrote:

I can say this without hesitation or reservation, the campus looks much worse today than it did 6 years ago and the figure on differed maintenance is way more than it was.  In short, this place is falling apart at the seams.  Come down and spend a couple of days and I'd be more than happy to show you what so many are talking about.


The campus was beautiful when I started my education there in 2006 and it is even more beautiful today. The addition of Baker, ARC, and Adams Hall has improved the look and feel of the campus immensely. Also, many of the East Green dorms have been renovated and West Green has received an overhaul.

You live in some kind of dystopian fantasy world.

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   Posted: 11/7/2011 12:26:52 PM 
Plenty of things in business are kept despite turning a loss. If a product costs me $7 to make and I make back $6 off every $7 I spend on it that is not terrible assuming I have other products that are indeed making profit. You can't do this to too high a level, but when every other sport is losing at a much higher rate (much greater negative ROI) then really football does not look that bad in comparison.

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   Posted: 11/7/2011 1:13:01 PM 
The answer is add revenue sports and cut the money losers. It might make sense to add Men's Lacrosse with Pruitt Field to accommodate.You don't cut the revenue sports, you cut back on the non-revenue sports. I know we have tradition in golf but do we really need to have scholarship men's and women's teams? 

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   Posted: 11/7/2011 1:15:39 PM 
DelBobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:

  Are we as an institution any better off than we were in 2005?  Many would say that the quality of education at OU is worse today than it was six years ago.
 

We've had this conversation a million times and this is still false. The quality of student has continued to increase and outcomes have improved as well. I'm not going to waste my time mining the data because it has been done multiple times.


From a programmatic standpoint adding Nursing is huge boon to student enrollment at Ohio University. On another note the full time MBA program was eliminated. 

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   Posted: 11/7/2011 1:40:55 PM 
DelBobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:

  Are we as an institution any better off than we were in 2005?  Many would say that the quality of education at OU is worse today than it was six years ago.
 

We've had this conversation a million times and this is still false. The quality of student has continued to increase and outcomes have improved as well. I'm not going to waste my time mining the data because it has been done multiple times.


Alan Swank wrote:

I can say this without hesitation or reservation, the campus looks much worse today than it did 6 years ago and the figure on differed maintenance is way more than it was.  In short, this place is falling apart at the seams.  Come down and spend a couple of days and I'd be more than happy to show you what so many are talking about.


The campus was beautiful when I started my education there in 2006 and it is even more beautiful today. The addition of Baker, ARC, and Adams Hall has improved the look and feel of the campus immensely. Also, many of the East Green dorms have been renovated and West Green has received an overhaul.

You live in some kind of dystopian fantasy world.


Next time you make it to campus, call me and I'll give you a tour and you can form your own opinion based on facts not feelings.   Yes we have many new buildings but the quality of them is less than it should be and with a reduced maintenance staff, even the new buildings are starting to show their age - prematurely I might add.  As for the quality of the educational experience, you can't replace experienced faculty with group 2 and 3 folks not to mention TA's and adjunct professors and expect to get the same results.

This isn't just an OU problem, it's a problem across this state.  But as long as we can convince people that student loans are financial aid, then we'll be able to perpetuate the myth that college costs a ton of money.  $24,000 in debt per graduating student is a heck of burden to bare.
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   Posted: 11/7/2011 2:02:13 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
DelBobcat wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:

  Are we as an institution any better off than we were in 2005?  Many would say that the quality of education at OU is worse today than it was six years ago.
 

We've had this conversation a million times and this is still false. The quality of student has continued to increase and outcomes have improved as well. I'm not going to waste my time mining the data because it has been done multiple times.


Alan Swank wrote:

I can say this without hesitation or reservation, the campus looks much worse today than it did 6 years ago and the figure on differed maintenance is way more than it was.  In short, this place is falling apart at the seams.  Come down and spend a couple of days and I'd be more than happy to show you what so many are talking about.


The campus was beautiful when I started my education there in 2006 and it is even more beautiful today. The addition of Baker, ARC, and Adams Hall has improved the look and feel of the campus immensely. Also, many of the East Green dorms have been renovated and West Green has received an overhaul.

You live in some kind of dystopian fantasy world.



Next time you make it to campus, call me and I'll give you a tour and you can form your own opinion based on facts not feelings.   Yes we have many new buildings but the quality of them is less than it should be and with a reduced maintenance staff, even the new buildings are starting to show their age - prematurely I might add.  As for the quality of the educational experience, you can't replace experienced faculty with group 2 and 3 folks not to mention TA's and adjunct professors and expect to get the same results.

This isn't just an OU problem, it's a problem across this state.  But as long as we can convince people that student loans are financial aid, then we'll be able to perpetuate the myth that college costs a ton of money.  $24,000 in debt per graduating student is a heck of burden to bare.


Ok I will concede that it is a problem that group 2 and 3 faculty and TA's are teaching more classes, but you state that it is not an OU problem but a statewide problem. I'll take that one step further and say that it is a nationwide problem. The effects of this are not being felt more severely at OHIO than they are anywhere else. Despite this, we continue to produce talented individuals.

As far as debt is concerned, no argument here. I have it. It sucks.

Finally, my opinion of the campus is not based just on feelings. I was there for homecoming and I walked around. I saw a beautiful campus that I'm still very proud of. To be sure, there are improvements that could be made, but that will always be the case. I was jogging on Penn's campus this weekend and despite the fact that it is absolutely beautiful and really gives off that Ivy League feel it pales in comparison to the beauty of the Ohio University campus. Likewise, Delaware has a very pretty campus and is reminiscent of OUr campus but it still falls short.

My girlfriend is from NJ and has been to OU three times now. Every time she goes she falls more in love with the campus. After experiencing her first OHIO homecoming this year she told me she wished she had known about OU because she wants to be a Bobcat. It's the beautiful campus and the festive homecoming atmosphere that won her over.

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Next time you make it to campus, call me and I'll give you a tour and you can form your own opinion based on facts not feelings.   Yes we have many new buildings but the quality of them is less than it should be and with a reduced maintenance staff, even the new buildings are starting to show their age - prematurely I might add.  As for the quality of the educational experience, you can't replace experienced faculty with group 2 and 3 folks not to mention TA's and adjunct professors and expect to get the same results.

This isn't just an OU problem, it's a problem across this state.  But as long as we can convince people that student loans are financial aid, then we'll be able to perpetuate the myth that college costs a ton of money.  $24,000 in debt per graduating student is a heck of burden to bare.


Ok I will concede that it is a problem that group 2 and 3 faculty and TA's are teaching more classes, but you state that it is not an OU problem but a statewide problem. I'll take that one step further and say that it is a nationwide problem. The effects of this are not being felt more severely at OHIO than they are anywhere else. Despite this, we continue to produce talented individuals.

As far as debt is concerned, no argument here. I have it. It sucks.

Finally, my opinion of the campus is not based just on feelings. I was there for homecoming and I walked around. I saw a beautiful campus that I'm still very proud of. To be sure, there are improvements that could be made, but that will always be the case. I was jogging on Penn's campus this weekend and despite the fact that it is absolutely beautiful and really gives off that Ivy League feel it pales in comparison to the beauty of the Ohio University campus. Likewise, Delaware has a very pretty campus and is reminiscent of OUr campus but it still falls short.

My girlfriend is from NJ and has been to OU three times now. Every time she goes she falls more in love with the campus. After experiencing her first OHIO homecoming this year she told me she wished she had known about OU because she wants to be a Bobcat. It's the beautiful campus and the festive homecoming atmosphere that won her over.


On the surface and as a "tourist" many people feel the same way.  As residents of Athens, we see below the surface.  Tonight we'll be going to Young Frankenstein at Mem Aud.  I was up there the other day and walked out the doors from the balcony level.  I'm not an engineer but it's pretty scary coming out of that exit.  Emeriti Park isn't close to what it was just three years ago.  i could go on and on but I think you get the point.  This is a beautiful campus - you won't find many prettier anywhere you go.  That's one reason we love Athens so much.  But under a very thin  layer of clearasil there are plenty of not so pretty pimples.

Oops, it looks like I goofed up the quotes again.

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   Posted: 11/7/2011 7:31:08 PM 
First of all, if the numbers on this thread are even close to realistic, I'm not even sure why this is a discussion at all. Usually the numbers we see is that the athletic department loses some $20m a year. Yet football only loses $900,000 of that? So, the non revenue sports eat up the rest? Why then is the discussion always about football, and not about dropping the non-revenue sports? It seems like you could find a lot more money elsewhere in the Athletic department.

Next, as Wes pointed out, there are off-the-books benefits:
1..First of all, there is the advertising benefit. What is the value of being on TV? That's hard to assess, but there is clearly some value - it is clearly going to make some people aware of Ohio who might become students. It also might remind some old alums that should send money. I can't think of any way it can be a negative.
2. Next it is something fun and safe for students, and it adds some value to their educational experience.
3. It adds revenue to the local community whenever there is a home game. That has to help promote a better town-and-gown relationship than would otherwise exist.

What are those three things worth? It's hard to assess. I certainly wouldn't want to argue that all three combined aren't worth the $900,000. When the usual number implied that the Athletic Department lost $15-20m, and implied that the bulk of the loss came from football, I would not want to argue that those three off-the-books benefits are worth $20 million - they clearly aren't. How much are they worth? It's hard to say, but I think that for $900k, the loss is probably a cheap deal. If Wes is right that the local community sees $1m in revenue from each home game, they would sorely miss the $6million if the university gave up the program to save $900,000.

Now, to answer my own question from the first paragraph - the reason why the $900k loss from football understates the true loss is due to how Title IX has been interpreted. To my mind the way it should have been applied is that the University should lose equal amounts on men's program's and women's programs, but that isn't how it has been applied. Instead the total number of athletes must be equal, so the University must lose much, much more on women's sports. In order to have a football program, the athletic department is required to have an offsetting 125 female athletes in various sports, and those 125 athletes probably lose $5 million. Thus, if you get rid of football, you could also get rid of 125 female athletes, and save a lot more money than the $900k. Of course, some might argue that those female sports have value, too. No one ever criticizes them, though, so maybe the consensus is that the money spent on them is a good investment.


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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Athletic Budgets 2010-11 (Football)
   Posted: 11/8/2011 8:47:35 AM 
Regarding all those who come on here and complain about the football budget and wishing to drop to D1-AA/FCS status because we spend too much money on the sport, if the 6.8 million figure mentioned above is correct, then according to a total budget for 2010 of approximately 684 million, that represents about 1% of the university's total budget.  If the entire athletic budget is in the 22-23 million range, that amounts to a little less than 3.5% of the entire university budget.  I do not think either number is extravagent.  As for working to get in a better conference, as was posted around the time of the Marshall game their first year in CUSA Marshall received approximately 850,000 in revenue from the conference as opposed to the 150,000 they received their last year in the MAC. Also, as I posted a week ago, WVU will get 17 million per year in tv revenue from the Big XII and the Big East is hoping to up their tv revenue stream to each member to the tune of approximately 10 million.  That is why we should strive to get into a better conference.
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   Posted: 11/8/2011 9:23:32 AM 
Let's compare to the SEC

2010-2011 REVENUE

SEC
Alabama $123,910,432

Florida $123,008,257

LSU $109,941,869

Auburn $103,982,441

UT $102,495,204

Georgia $92,341,067

Ark $91,768,113

UK $85,868,315

South Car $83,704,667

Vandy $55,632,098

Miss St. $49,877,305

Miss $48,916,161

Don't worry guys, we still have a chance!


According to this, Ohio made 2.6 million in 10-11.

http://www.ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails.asp...

Last Edited: 11/8/2011 9:26:59 AM by whocaresgobobcats
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Athletic Budgets 2010-11 (Football)
   Posted: 11/8/2011 10:52:39 AM 
That 6.8 million dollar figure was in Ohio's case actually revenue not expenses. I took the highest of either the expenses or revenue figure to determine the maximum "budget". The university is listing football expenses at 5.8 million which includes football scholarships and higher administration fees. Taking free football rides and higher administration fees out I arrive at a number of about 3.0 million of cold hard operating cash to work with. The difference between the overall figure of 25.5 and the one that is 2.6 million less is that 25.5 is total funding (including the large student fees) and difference is what was not spent. What its showing is that contrary to the Boeh years where the university was drawing enough student funds to cover expenses the university now is drawing more than enough to keep covered. Ohio's budget is well funded today compared with non-AQ peers and is fiscally responsible. Temple is overspending in football for a MAC product and Miami is spending too much on salaries. Bowling Green a school that has D1 Hockey is somehow spending at the bottom of the MAC though BG has one of the best donor bases in the MAC.

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