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If so he’s yet another to add to our MASH unit of a season. Could a case be made that Saul actually has done his best coaching job here keeping this ship from completely sinking considering all the red-shirts and those key players that are simply heroically gutting out this season playing with significant injuries? +1 I don't believe, as some do here, that Saul's recruits are sub par. You just don't lose the MAC POY one year, and the conference's best emerging sophomore the next year, and not have it drastically effect the Win-Loss record. And, this year it wasn't just one big loss (Carter), it was a series of nagging injuries to about half the team at one time or another. Go OHIO! The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,930 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 7:01:01 AM  BobcatSports wrote: I thought I heard either Russ or Marty commenting on a recent broadcast that Gollon will need an additional surgery this off-season. If so he’s yet another to add to our MASH unit of a season. Could a case be made that Saul actually has done his best coaching job here keeping this ship from completely sinking considering all the red-shirts and those key players that are simply heroically gutting out this season playing with significant injuries? Saul mentioned it in the post game press conference as well. James joked that he's felt so good and been playing so well that he might not even need the surgery, but Saul said something like "lets let the doctors determine that." Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,759 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 8:50:09 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: BobcatSports wrote: I thought I heard either Russ or Marty commenting on a recent broadcast that Gollon will need an additional surgery this off-season. If so he’s yet another to add to our MASH unit of a season. Could a case be made that Saul actually has done his best coaching job here keeping this ship from completely sinking considering all the red-shirts and those key players that are simply heroically gutting out this season playing with significant injuries? +1 I don't believe, as some do here, that Saul's recruits are sub par. You just don't lose the MAC POY one year, and the conference's best emerging sophomore the next year, and not have it drastically effect the Win-Loss record. And, this year it wasn't just one big loss (Carter), it was a series of nagging injuries to about half the team at one time or another. Go OHIO! We have some recruits on the bench who do not appear to be D-1 caliber players. We are also SLOW...not a good combo when your coach eschews zone defense in any form. From what I have heard and read about our incoming Big (6'10"), he is an Ethan Jacobs wannabe. That's not a knock on Ethan, BTW. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 9:23:40 AM  SBH wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: BobcatSports wrote: I thought I heard either Russ or Marty commenting on a recent broadcast that Gollon will need an additional surgery this off-season. If so he’s yet another to add to our MASH unit of a season. Could a case be made that Saul actually has done his best coaching job here keeping this ship from completely sinking considering all the red-shirts and those key players that are simply heroically gutting out this season playing with significant injuries? +1 I don't believe, as some do here, that Saul's recruits are sub par. You just don't lose the MAC POY one year, and the conference's best emerging sophomore the next year, and not have it drastically effect the Win-Loss record. And, this year it wasn't just one big loss (Carter), it was a series of nagging injuries to about half the team at one time or another. Go OHIO! We have some recruits on the bench who do not appear to be D-1 caliber players. We are also SLOW...not a good combo when your coach eschews zone defense in any form. From what I have heard and read about our incoming Big (6'10"), he is an Ethan Jacobs wannabe. That's not a knock on Ethan, BTW. Ethan ended up having a pretty nice career after he left Ohio, so I'm okay if that's the case. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5... Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 9:38:19 AM  OU_Country wrote: SBH wrote: We have some recruits on the bench who do not appear to be D-1 caliber players. We are also SLOW...not a good combo when your coach eschews zone defense in any form. From what I have heard and read about our incoming Big (6'10"), he is an Ethan Jacobs wannabe. That's not a knock on Ethan, BTW. Ethan ended up having a pretty nice career after he left Ohio, so I'm okay if that's the case. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5... I would agree with that Country. He ended up making an immediate impact and had a good career at Colgate and continues to make money overseas. https://www.facebook.com/337725922918464/videos/182673523... Last Edited: 2/22/2018 9:41:16 AM by bornacatfan never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 9:48:35 AM  I thought he was still playing overseas, but I couldn't find a link to show his team, stats, etc. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,759 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 10:11:27 AM  Last I checked we don't play in the Patriot League. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 10:35:40 AM  SBH wrote: Last I checked we don't play in the Patriot League. As a counter, I'd offer that the top 2-3 teams in that league aren't that different than the top 3-4 of the MAC. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,494 Status: Online     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 12:20:51 PM  OU_Country wrote: SBH wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: BobcatSports wrote: I thought I heard either Russ or Marty commenting on a recent broadcast that Gollon will need an additional surgery this off-season. If so he’s yet another to add to our MASH unit of a season. Could a case be made that Saul actually has done his best coaching job here keeping this ship from completely sinking considering all the red-shirts and those key players that are simply heroically gutting out this season playing with significant injuries? +1 I don't believe, as some do here, that Saul's recruits are sub par. You just don't lose the MAC POY one year, and the conference's best emerging sophomore the next year, and not have it drastically effect the Win-Loss record. And, this year it wasn't just one big loss (Carter), it was a series of nagging injuries to about half the team at one time or another. Go OHIO! We have some recruits on the bench who do not appear to be D-1 caliber players. We are also SLOW...not a good combo when your coach eschews zone defense in any form. From what I have heard and read about our incoming Big (6'10"), he is an Ethan Jacobs wannabe. That's not a knock on Ethan, BTW. Ethan ended up having a pretty nice career after he left Ohio, so I'm okay if that's the case. http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5... He did, but he had that career in a conference that is not known for great speed and athleticism. The kid had skills, but also limitations. In the end, it all worked out for him, which is great! Back to Top BobcatSports General User Member Since: 2/2/2006 Post Count: 1,068 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 6:26:34 PM  I remember thinking watching KVK during his freshman year that wow this kid looks beyond clumsy and not the most athletic specimen we ever recruited. By his jr. and sr. seasons he sure showed how incredibly misguided my initial judgments were. I also remember post after post after post of previous regimes that we couldn’t recruit legit bigs when they weren’t immediate phenoms the minute they stepped on the court as freshmen. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 6:44:22 PM  BobcatSports wrote: I remember thinking watching KVK during his freshman year that wow this kid looks beyond clumsy and not the most athletic specimen we ever recruited. By his jr. and sr. seasons he sure showed how incredibly misguided my initial judgments were. I also remember post after post after post of previous regimes that we couldn’t recruit legit bigs when they weren’t immediate phenoms the minute they stepped on the court as freshmen. This should be a lesson to some of our BA experts who have declared that Saul doesn't know how to recruit. But, it's not likely they'll ever question their ability to assess talent. Us BA coaches would recruit like Coach K and have results like Johnny Wooden. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,088 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 9:14:43 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: BobcatSports wrote: I remember thinking watching KVK during his freshman year that wow this kid looks beyond clumsy and not the most athletic specimen we ever recruited. By his jr. and sr. seasons he sure showed how incredibly misguided my initial judgments were. I also remember post after post after post of previous regimes that we couldn’t recruit legit bigs when they weren’t immediate phenoms the minute they stepped on the court as freshmen. This should be a lesson to some of our BA experts who have declared that Saul doesn't know how to recruit. But, it's not likely they'll ever question their ability to assess talent. Us BA coaches would recruit like Coach K and have results like Johnny Wooden. I think I get what you're saying, but Saul had nothing to do with KVK and we don't have a good case of Saul recruiting somebody who looked unathletic and then proved otherwise (though I don't recall the immediate thoughts on Jason Carter). The players Saul recruited that didn't look all that ready for the big time have often proven to be right, Dozier of course being the obvious case. Hopefully last year's forwards (Vander Plas and Gareri) don't follow in those footsteps. Back to Top BobcatSports General User Member Since: 2/2/2006 Post Count: 1,068 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 27 Thread: Kent St.    Posted: 2/22/2018 11:15:26 PM  I did not imply Saul had anything to do with KVK. My point was that we have had very few “big men” come into our program under the last few regimes before Saul and had said “big men” become the second coming of Kentuckyesque one and doners. With few exceptions most have taken a year or two to develop and become contributors. IF this 6’10” kid Saul has coming in takes a year or two as well it would not be out of the norm. 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