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FearLeon
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   Posted: 1/23/2018 9:29:05 PM 
Townie1977 wrote:
The truth of the night is that we have seen a sign of things to come. The architect of the single greatest run in the history of our program has assumed the reigns of our nemesis. He beat us with a roster that is not his. He beat us at what could be his low point in terms of rostered talent. He beat us at the mid-point of the 4th year of the highest paid coach in the MAC.

What is worse than loosing to Dambrodt? I'd say it is watching your former champion rebuild your hated rival with no viable response on the horizon. You can worry about Buffalo and Ball State all you want. I am worried about Akron. They enjoy beating us and we are going to quickly be thirsty for a Groce style roster. Compare what you know Groce will have to what we do have and what we know is coming. Ready to cheer for the Akron Bobcats yet?

Spare the me apathy and excuse making. Don't type a clever response about how you're above asking Saul to take responsibility because you support the cause irregardless. I love the Bobcats as much as I love honesty, integrity, and vigorous leadership. We have been passed by. We have a system that has made our team irrelevant. We have become the team that other teams want to play in March.

I really wish I would have known I was living in the good old days before they were gone.


Post of the year^^^^^. And I want to believe at least 70% on this board agree with everything you just said. Akron has very little this year and just wait until next year when all of these guys who are sitting out play for Groce. Meanwhile, we have 3 scholarship guys currently on roster who are questionable MAC talent at best. Plus, next year two of our 3 recruits look like they will struggle to see any significant minutes. Welcome to #SaulBall

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   Posted: 1/23/2018 9:46:00 PM 
Yawn...I don't know why I look at the board after losses. Just do us a favor and go away and come back when we figure it out, all the while claiming you've been a "loyal Bobcat for years."

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   Posted: 1/23/2018 9:46:46 PM 
Townie1977 wrote:
The truth of the night is that we have seen a sign of things to come. The architect of the single greatest run in the history of our program has assumed the reigns of our nemesis. He beat us with a roster that is not his. He beat us at what could be his low point in terms of rostered talent. He beat us at the mid-point of the 4th year of the highest paid coach in the MAC.

What is worse than loosing to Dambrodt? I'd say it is watching your former champion rebuild your hated rival with no viable response on the horizon. You can worry about Buffalo and Ball State all you want. I am worried about Akron. They enjoy beating us and we are going to quickly be thirsty for a Groce style roster. Compare what you know Groce will have to what we do have and what we know is coming. Ready to cheer for the Akron Bobcats yet?

Spare the me apathy and excuse making. Don't type a clever response about how you're above asking Saul to take responsibility because you support the cause irregardless. I love the Bobcats as much as I love honesty, integrity, and vigorous leadership. We have been passed by. We have a system that has made our team irrelevant. We have become the team that other teams want to play in March.

I really wish I would have known I was living in the good old days before they were gone.


^^^ So sad. And so true. Groce envy...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 19 Thread: Akron
   Posted: 1/23/2018 10:03:23 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Yawn...I don't know why I look at the board after losses. Just do us a favor and go away and come back when we figure it out, all the while claiming you've been a "loyal Bobcat for years."



Yawn...exactly as expected. While you're at it, why don't you tell me in your best Charlie Coles voice "I bet that Ozone will be Rockin'" when we crush Buffalo on Friday.

There is no qualification that requires a "fan" not to be honest. I will be buying my season tickets next season just like my family has done for more years than most have people been "loyal bobcat fans". I guess I am just comfortable enough with myself to have an opinion that does not require popular approval.

We would all be well served to understand that the idea "loyal bobcat fan for years" does equal a green and white lobotomy. So.... let's ditch the apathy and permissiveness an call a spade a spade....unless you like 20 loss seasons. If that is the case, carry on.

Last Edited: 1/23/2018 10:44:24 PM by Townie1977
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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 19 Thread: Akron
   Posted: 1/23/2018 10:09:21 PM 
Townie1977 wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Yawn...I don't know why I look at the board after losses. Just do us a favor and go away and come back when we figure it out, all the while claiming you've been a "loyal Bobcat for years."



Yawn...exactly as expected. While you're at it, why don't you tell me in your best Charlie Coles voice "I bet that Ozone will be Rockin'" when we crush Buffalo on Friday.

There is no qualification that requires a "fan" not to be honest. I will be buying my season tickets next season just like my family has done for more years than most have people been "loyal bobcat fans". I guess I am just comfortable enough with myself to have an opinion that does not require popular approval.

We would all be well served to understand that the idea "loyal bobcat fan for years" does equal a green and white lobotomy. So.... let's ditch the apathy and premissiveness an call a spade a spade....unless you like 20 loss seasons. If that is the case, carry on.


I don't know how a "loyal Bobcat" could even dream of yawning right now. The premier athletic program at the school, which gets the most funding in the conference, is in DEAD LAST PLACE. Apologists have plenty of explanations, but this team has one notable player out with injury and it is in last place in the MAC. Next year doesn't look much better. If you're yawning, you don't care enough.
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   Posted: 1/23/2018 10:16:42 PM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:

I don't know how a "loyal Bobcat" could even dream of yawning right now. The premier athletic program at the school, which gets the most funding in the conference, is in DEAD LAST PLACE. Apologists have plenty of explanations, but this team has one notable player out with injury and it is in last place in the MAC. Next year doesn't look much better. If you're yawning, you don't care enough.


+1!!
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   Posted: 1/23/2018 10:16:44 PM 
Just got home from the game.

Kirk was a joy to watch in this game. He came to play defense and surely did in the second half. He takes the ball to the hoop against the giants and seems to jump right out of the gym. I liked Butler too and thought he should have been given the opportunity to give a couple of the guys a blow during the second half.

Late in the game the two main Zips scorers, Ivy and Duvivier had 4 fouls apiece. Dartis stole one and Duvivier picks up number 5 stopping Dartis on the breakaway. The replacement had played a bit but was no threat on offense and had a turnover or two. That left Ivy who had reeled off 7 straight unanswered points. It would have been nice to have a few plays were Ivy was forced via switches to guard Kirk and let Kirk take him to the hoop or post him up and see if Ivy backs off for easy shots or perhaps picks up foul 5. There would have been a huge drop off in productivity for Akron without Ivy at the end. Block misses a layup to cut it to one and we have a repeat of the game at Kent with the miss at the end.

Two bad plays by the Bobcats. They couldn't get a shot off at the half. They couldn't inbounds under their basket.

While there may have been a questionable call or three going both ways--I thought the refs played a good game!

Last Edited: 1/23/2018 10:18:03 PM by MonroeClassmate
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   Posted: 1/23/2018 10:48:22 PM 
FearLeon wrote:
Townie1977 wrote:
The truth of the night is that we have seen a sign of things to come. The architect of the single greatest run in the history of our program has assumed the reigns of our nemesis. He beat us with a roster that is not his. He beat us at what could be his low point in terms of rostered talent. He beat us at the mid-point of the 4th year of the highest paid coach in the MAC.

What is worse than loosing to Dambrodt? I'd say it is watching your former champion rebuild your hated rival with no viable response on the horizon. You can worry about Buffalo and Ball State all you want. I am worried about Akron. They enjoy beating us and we are going to quickly be thirsty for a Groce style roster. Compare what you know Groce will have to what we do have and what we know is coming. Ready to cheer for the Akron Bobcats yet?

Spare the me apathy and excuse making. Don't type a clever response about how you're above asking Saul to take responsibility because you support the cause irregardless. I love the Bobcats as much as I love honesty, integrity, and vigorous leadership. We have been passed by. We have a system that has made our team irrelevant. We have become the team that other teams want to play in March.

I really wish I would have known I was living in the good old days before they were gone.


Post of the year^^^^^. And I want to believe at least 70% on this board agree with everything you just said. Akron has very little this year and just wait until next year when all of these guys who are sitting out play for Groce. Meanwhile, we have 3 scholarship guys currently on roster who are questionable MAC talent at best. Plus, next year two of our 3 recruits look like they will struggle to see any significant minutes. Welcome to #SaulBall


I was going to give Saul a pass on this year due to our injuries but after watching Groce, the "one that got away" I have to say that I am done with the Saul Phillips era of OU basketball. I was not a fan of Tim O'Shea but would gladly welcome him back over Saul. Groce has it WORSE than Saul did even with Jaaron and Jason gone. He lost Big Dog, Cheatham and how many guys to transfer and still beats us. OUr guys look lost and not prepared to win. Akron's fans were rockin' and we can't get 10 people in the Ozone. Saul defenders need to look at how far we have fallen in fan support as well under him. I consider Miami and Akron our two biggest rivals in the MAC and BOTH are in better spots than we are right now and BOTH had transfers and graduates just like we did. And for the guy who questions those of us who are fans for criticizing OU and saying we're not fans because we are upset..YOU ARE NOT A TRUE FAN! Real fans live and die to the point where they want the best for their teams. If you are willing to put up with this steaming pile of uninspired dog poo then you are the same person who went to OU for four years and never went to a hockey game, never hit up the J-Bar for Quad Night and never had a burger at The Pub. You probably ate burgers at Wendy's and never had a Burrito Buggy burrito. What I'm saying is, you don't LOVE OU!
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   Posted: 1/23/2018 11:19:21 PM 
The "Good Old Days" are said to be that of a bad memory". Looks like Groce will be a nemisis for years to come. This should be a good rivalry if Saul can recruit well into the future.

Last Edited: 1/23/2018 11:20:00 PM by Bobcat Jerry
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   Posted: 1/23/2018 11:35:22 PM 

I don't understand why Laster sat 9 minutes with 3 fouls (he finished with 3 fouls). The game was lost during that stretch. Groce brought his guys with 4 fouls back in with 8 minutes left and that was the difference in the game, Last minute of this one looked like the last minute of Kent State. Hard to see how this team becomes a MAC contender next year.

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   Posted: 1/23/2018 11:54:54 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
I don't understand why Laster sat 9 minutes with 3 fouls (he finished with 3 fouls). The game was lost during that stretch. Groce brought his guys with 4 fouls back in with 8 minutes left and that was the difference in the game, Last minute of this one looked like the last minute of Kent State. Hard to see how this team becomes a MAC contender next year.


I thought the same thing. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO LOSE???????? Why are we not just going b**ls to the wall? Let Dartis shoot step back 3's (Duvierer hit a couple of those dagger ones in the first half). Let Kirk shoot more! We have no reason to not just go out and let our guys fly!
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 12:20:44 AM 
Funny how people like to despair about our team this year. They bring up Groce, and talk about how much better he is than Saul. Don’t get me wrong, I love Grove, one of the best Ohio has ever had.

Yet it wasn’t to long ago after an overtime loss to ball state, where Groce’s team sat 2-5 to start MAC play. Groce in his second year, finished 7-9 in MAC play the year before. Never had he made the tourney, he was unproven as a coach. He had a star freshman point guard, and a lot of other young talented players, but they weren’t playing well yet. They hadn’t clicked. With only 1 senior on the roster and little signs that things would turn around that year, most bobcat fans likely thought the season was over. Nobody thought at the time that this team and this season would be remembered by bobcat fans for years to come. They were wrong, and it was.

How quickly we forget.

. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–10_Ohio_Bobcats_men%...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=...

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   Posted: 1/24/2018 12:33:49 AM 
J/C

I sorta feel for Saul. The minute Groce was hired at Akron, my first thought was - oh man I hope he never beats us. The Groce vs. Phillips comparisons were going to come naturally (I literally just posted their records head-to-head in the "Last in the MAC" thread) - but it's one thing to hypothetically compare two guys. It's a whole different beast when you get to literally compare them against each other twice a year.

I don't doubt Saul is an AMAZING human being. I don't doubt he's a heck of a coach. I am beginning to wonder about his recruiting philosophy (and his strength/conditioning/nutrition philosophy - the amount of injuries isn't a fluke anymore)

Recall these gems:

"“What attracted me to the job, listen, I can use the same template that I used for success in Fargo, North Dakota here, and I’ve got more talent in the area than I had. North Dakota State was an unbelievable place for me for 10 years. I loved it there, but we were a long way from a lot of talent bases. We’ve got it here. Let’s go to work and get it."

and

"‘We should have gone to college here.’ Wow! This is college. I can sell this! This is great!’”

“I look around and I say this is what you want to be a part of - what’s there not to like. You talk college town and this is a postcard for a college town. We’ve got great academics. We’ve got beautiful scenery. We’ve got a community that loves the Bobcats. What don’t we have? Let’s sell it. Let’s go!”

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/mbkb/spec-rel/040814aaa...

So, what happened to the ability to sell recruits on OU? Either it isn't as easy as he thought it would be. OR. The whole "I can use the same template as I used in Fargo" is exactly what he's doing - and it's not working. (I tend to believe it's the latter).

Really tough to see the state of our program and directly compare it to Groce's at Akron. Like Ted said, even projecting into the future, it doesn't look rosy.

Last Edited: 1/24/2018 12:35:35 AM by GraffZ06
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 7:40:11 AM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
J/C

I sorta feel for Saul. The minute Groce was hired at Akron, my first thought was - oh man I hope he never beats us. The Groce vs. Phillips comparisons were going to come naturally (I literally just posted their records head-to-head in the "Last in the MAC" thread) - but it's one thing to hypothetically compare two guys. It's a whole different beast when you get to literally compare them against each other twice a year.

I don't doubt Saul is an AMAZING human being. I don't doubt he's a heck of a coach. I am beginning to wonder about his recruiting philosophy (and his strength/conditioning/nutrition philosophy - the amount of injuries isn't a fluke anymore)

Recall these gems:

"“What attracted me to the job, listen, I can use the same template that I used for success in Fargo, North Dakota here, and I’ve got more talent in the area than I had. North Dakota State was an unbelievable place for me for 10 years. I loved it there, but we were a long way from a lot of talent bases. We’ve got it here. Let’s go to work and get it."

and

"‘We should have gone to college here.’ Wow! This is college. I can sell this! This is great!’”

“I look around and I say this is what you want to be a part of - what’s there not to like. You talk college town and this is a postcard for a college town. We’ve got great academics. We’ve got beautiful scenery. We’ve got a community that loves the Bobcats. What don’t we have? Let’s sell it. Let’s go!”

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/mbkb/spec-rel/040814aaa...

So, what happened to the ability to sell recruits on OU? Either it isn't as easy as he thought it would be. OR. The whole "I can use the same template as I used in Fargo" is exactly what he's doing - and it's not working. (I tend to believe it's the latter).

Really tough to see the state of our program and directly compare it to Groce's at Akron. Like Ted said, even projecting into the future, it doesn't look rosy.


It's not like the staff hasn't targeted the big guns, they just haven't been able to land one for whatever reason. Whether it's someone blowing up in the summer (Tyrese Haliburton - Iowa State) or it's them losing out last minute to a big school (Desmond Bane - TCU), they haven't made that one big splash. They're identifying the right guys early, that's for sure.

Other ones:

Jeremiah Francis - offered very early, ended up with big school offers and committed to Ohio State

Caleb McConnell - offered early, now holds offers from WVU, Wichita State, Buffalo, Toledo and took an unofficial visit to OSU. Still undecided.

Brady Ernst - offered out of high school, committed to Iowa State. Transferred to JUCO, was going to Xavier but decommitted once they got Kanter, ended up at FGCU.

Chase Johnson - offered early, ended up at Florida

Justyn Hamilton - chose Temple over us, ECU and Depaul

Sterling Manley - offered way early, ended up at UNC. Anyone worth their salt offered him though.

Markell Johnson - now at NC State

Then there's guys like Nick Rodgers (Toledo/IUPUI), Jayvon Graves (Buffalo), Tai Bibbs (Columbia), Tray Hollowell (Wofford), and Carson Williams (NKU) that had big/comparable looks out of high school and have ended up at comparable programs or smaller.

I'd be more interested to know how close Ohio was to getting some of them.

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   Posted: 1/24/2018 7:50:55 AM 
Townie1977 wrote:
The truth of the night is that we have seen a sign of things to come. The architect of the single greatest run in the history of our program has assumed the reigns of our nemesis. He beat us with a roster that is not his. He beat us at what could be his low point in terms of rostered talent. He beat us at the mid-point of the 4th year of the highest paid coach in the MAC.

What is worse than loosing to Dambrodt? I'd say it is watching your former champion rebuild your hated rival with no viable response on the horizon. You can worry about Buffalo and Ball State all you want. I am worried about Akron. They enjoy beating us and we are going to quickly be thirsty for a Groce style roster. Compare what you know Groce will have to what we do have and what we know is coming. Ready to cheer for the Akron Bobcats yet?

Spare the me apathy and excuse making. Don't type a clever response about how you're above asking Saul to take responsibility because you support the cause irregardless. I love the Bobcats as much as I love honesty, integrity, and vigorous leadership. We have been passed by. We have a system that has made our team irrelevant. We have become the team that other teams want to play in March.

I really wish I would have known I was living in the good old days before they were gone.


Next year might be decent, but by two years from now if Saul keeps signing NAIA level scrubs, this is going to turn into a MAJOR rebuilding project for the next coach. Is there not one decent recruiting specialist on the staff? Let's cut to the chase: bringing in talent is the lifeblood of sports teams.

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   Posted: 1/24/2018 8:10:17 AM 
This thread makes me think Monroe is in here with 11 bogus accounts. One bumpy season and half the posters here are jumping off the wagon. The wagon is better off without you.
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 8:53:04 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
This thread makes me think Monroe is in here with 11 bogus accounts. One bumpy season and half the posters here are jumping off the wagon. The wagon is better off without you.


You're dead wrong. This has been a downward slide that is culminating in year four of the highest paid coach in the conference. Next year looks worse. Apparently it bears repeating: We're in LAST PLACE in the MAC. This isn't the ACC. Ohio has the biggest budget and now has the worst results. The injury excuse is spurious at best because we're talking about one player who averaged under 10 points as a freshman. Simmons transferring? That's on the coach, who should have planned better and should have known it was possible. Whatever you blame those issues on, they exposed a much bigger problem: There's not enough MAC-level talent on this roster. We're in last place because we belong there.
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 8:56:04 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
GraffZ06 wrote:
J/C

I sorta feel for Saul. The minute Groce was hired at Akron, my first thought was - oh man I hope he never beats us. The Groce vs. Phillips comparisons were going to come naturally (I literally just posted their records head-to-head in the "Last in the MAC" thread) - but it's one thing to hypothetically compare two guys. It's a whole different beast when you get to literally compare them against each other twice a year.

I don't doubt Saul is an AMAZING human being. I don't doubt he's a heck of a coach. I am beginning to wonder about his recruiting philosophy (and his strength/conditioning/nutrition philosophy - the amount of injuries isn't a fluke anymore)

Recall these gems:

"“What attracted me to the job, listen, I can use the same template that I used for success in Fargo, North Dakota here, and I’ve got more talent in the area than I had. North Dakota State was an unbelievable place for me for 10 years. I loved it there, but we were a long way from a lot of talent bases. We’ve got it here. Let’s go to work and get it."

and

"‘We should have gone to college here.’ Wow! This is college. I can sell this! This is great!’”

“I look around and I say this is what you want to be a part of - what’s there not to like. You talk college town and this is a postcard for a college town. We’ve got great academics. We’ve got beautiful scenery. We’ve got a community that loves the Bobcats. What don’t we have? Let’s sell it. Let’s go!”

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/sports/mbkb/spec-rel/040814aaa...

So, what happened to the ability to sell recruits on OU? Either it isn't as easy as he thought it would be. OR. The whole "I can use the same template as I used in Fargo" is exactly what he's doing - and it's not working. (I tend to believe it's the latter).

Really tough to see the state of our program and directly compare it to Groce's at Akron. Like Ted said, even projecting into the future, it doesn't look rosy.


It's not like the staff hasn't targeted the big guns, they just haven't been able to land one for whatever reason. Whether it's someone blowing up in the summer (Tyrese Haliburton - Iowa State) or it's them losing out last minute to a big school (Desmond Bane - TCU), they haven't made that one big splash. They're identifying the right guys early, that's for sure.

Other ones:

Jeremiah Francis - offered very early, ended up with big school offers and committed to Ohio State

Caleb McConnell - offered early, now holds offers from WVU, Wichita State, Buffalo, Toledo and took an unofficial visit to OSU. Still undecided.

Brady Ernst - offered out of high school, committed to Iowa State. Transferred to JUCO, was going to Xavier but decommitted once they got Kanter, ended up at FGCU.

Chase Johnson - offered early, ended up at Florida

Justyn Hamilton - chose Temple over us, ECU and Depaul

Sterling Manley - offered way early, ended up at UNC. Anyone worth their salt offered him though.

Markell Johnson - now at NC State

Then there's guys like Nick Rodgers (Toledo/IUPUI), Jayvon Graves (Buffalo), Tai Bibbs (Columbia), Tray Hollowell (Wofford), and Carson Williams (NKU) that had big/comparable looks out of high school and have ended up at comparable programs or smaller.

I'd be more interested to know how close Ohio was to getting some of them.


Let me add one more to that list...Zach Loveday. A local 7'1" sophomore from Gallia Academy (Gallia County) and he has an offer from O$U and has also visited Xavier (not sure if an offer has been extended yet). Anyone know if Ohio has bothered to give him a look? I think Ohio might be able to snatch him up if approached properly. Just curious...
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 9:04:52 AM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
This thread makes me think Monroe is in here with 11 bogus accounts. One bumpy season and half the posters here are jumping off the wagon. The wagon is better off without you.


You're dead wrong. This has been a downward slide that is culminating in year four of the highest paid coach in the conference. Next year looks worse. Apparently it bears repeating: We're in LAST PLACE in the MAC. This isn't the ACC. Ohio has the biggest budget and now has the worst results. The injury excuse is spurious at best because we're talking about one player who averaged under 10 points as a freshman. Simmons transferring? That's on the coach, who should have planned better and should have known it was possible. Whatever you blame those issues on, they exposed a much bigger problem: There's not enough MAC-level talent on this roster. We're in last place because we belong there.


Just so I'm sure I understand this downward slide...

Year 1 under Saul, with a dysfunctional group: 10-20
Year 2: 23-12
Year 3, losing your returning MAC POY in season: 20-11

If you told me we were a healthy basketball team that trended downwards, you know what, I'd probably agree with you. But unlike you, I'm looking at more than just W-L totals. You simply can NOT lose the caliber of player to injury that this team has lost the last two seasons and expect no drop off. To do that is insane, in my opinion. I find it pretty darn miraculous that the team won 20 games last year with Tony going down. With him, there would have been several more wins.

Look, this season has stunk. There's not going to be anyone here that will be able to tell you they are happy with this season to this point. Ignoring the adversity the team has faced and objectively looking at W-L is really foolish, to me. Making claims of a "downward slide" when, in my eyes, it has been anything BUT that until this year. And if the team wasn't in shambles with injuries, I'd bet on the results this year being different, as well.

Back. Off. The. Ledge.
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 9:14:16 AM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
I don't understand why Laster sat 9 minutes with 3 fouls (he finished with 3 fouls). The game was lost during that stretch. Groce brought his guys with 4 fouls back in with 8 minutes left and that was the difference in the game, Last minute of this one looked like the last minute of Kent State. Hard to see how this team becomes a MAC contender next year.



I'll never forget the gutsy decision by Al McGuire to play Bo Ellis after committing 2 very early 1st half fouls in the national championship game against N.Carolina. Bo played most of the game with 4 fouls, never fouled out and played the entire game. Marquette won.
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 9:14:59 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
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100%Cat wrote:
This thread makes me think Monroe is in here with 11 bogus accounts. One bumpy season and half the posters here are jumping off the wagon. The wagon is better off without you.


You're dead wrong. This has been a downward slide that is culminating in year four of the highest paid coach in the conference. Next year looks worse. Apparently it bears repeating: We're in LAST PLACE in the MAC. This isn't the ACC. Ohio has the biggest budget and now has the worst results. The injury excuse is spurious at best because we're talking about one player who averaged under 10 points as a freshman. Simmons transferring? That's on the coach, who should have planned better and should have known it was possible. Whatever you blame those issues on, they exposed a much bigger problem: There's not enough MAC-level talent on this roster. We're in last place because we belong there.


Just so I'm sure I understand this downward slide...

Year 1 under Saul, with a dysfunctional group: 10-20
Year 2: 23-12
Year 3, losing your returning MAC POY in season: 20-11

If you told me we were a healthy basketball team that trended downwards, you know what, I'd probably agree with you. But unlike you, I'm looking at more than just W-L totals. You simply can NOT lose the caliber of player to injury that this team has lost the last two seasons and expect no drop off. To do that is insane, in my opinion. I find it pretty darn miraculous that the team won 20 games last year with Tony going down. With him, there would have been several more wins.

Look, this season has stunk. There's not going to be anyone here that will be able to tell you they are happy with this season to this point. Ignoring the adversity the team has faced and objectively looking at W-L is really foolish, to me. Making claims of a "downward slide" when, in my eyes, it has been anything BUT that until this year. And if the team wasn't in shambles with injuries, I'd bet on the results this year being different, as well.

Back. Off. The. Ledge.


I'm looking beyond wins and losses too and the recruiting philosophy has me petrified. We legitimately have two guys next year in Springs and Mason who could redshirt. And who knows about the mystery kid from the JUCO school. We have 3 current Saul scholarship recruited players on this roster who I don't think could get meaningful minutes in the MEAC.

The days of getting commits from guys like Caris LeVert and Evan Bradds seem to be long, long gone. And yes...if Groce doesn't leave...we had them.


Last Edited: 1/24/2018 9:16:19 AM by FearLeon

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  Message Not Read  RE: Official Game 19 Thread: Akron
   Posted: 1/24/2018 9:15:28 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
This thread makes me think Monroe is in here with 11 bogus accounts. One bumpy season and half the posters here are jumping off the wagon. The wagon is better off without you.


You're dead wrong. This has been a downward slide that is culminating in year four of the highest paid coach in the conference. Next year looks worse. Apparently it bears repeating: We're in LAST PLACE in the MAC. This isn't the ACC. Ohio has the biggest budget and now has the worst results. The injury excuse is spurious at best because we're talking about one player who averaged under 10 points as a freshman. Simmons transferring? That's on the coach, who should have planned better and should have known it was possible. Whatever you blame those issues on, they exposed a much bigger problem: There's not enough MAC-level talent on this roster. We're in last place because we belong there.


Just so I'm sure I understand this downward slide...

Year 1 under Saul, with a dysfunctional group: 10-20
Year 2: 23-12
Year 3, losing your returning MAC POY in season: 20-11

If you told me we were a healthy basketball team that trended downwards, you know what, I'd probably agree with you. But unlike you, I'm looking at more than just W-L totals. You simply can NOT lose the caliber of player to injury that this team has lost the last two seasons and expect no drop off. To do that is insane, in my opinion. I find it pretty darn miraculous that the team won 20 games last year with Tony going down. With him, there would have been several more wins.

Look, this season has stunk. There's not going to be anyone here that will be able to tell you they are happy with this season to this point. Ignoring the adversity the team has faced and objectively looking at W-L is really foolish, to me. Making claims of a "downward slide" when, in my eyes, it has been anything BUT that until this year. And if the team wasn't in shambles with injuries, I'd bet on the results this year being different, as well.

Back. Off. The. Ledge.


The downward slide is evident in the quality of recruits coming in. Year one's dysfunction helped us lose Ryan Taylor. Year two's success was on the back of Jim Christian's recruits. Year three saw a herculean effort from Simmons (who subsequently punched a ticket out of town) and the emergence of Carter. Year four is a train wreck based on an injured sophomore. Year five will see us lose Laster and bring in some kids who may or may not be ready for MAC play (recent history suggests they'll all be serious projects to some degree).

I'm not saying we have NO quality on the roster. I'm saying we don't have enough to be competitive in the effing MAC. It's not an acceptable result given the level of resources the school commits.
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 9:16:38 AM 
FanInTheStands wrote:


Let me add one more to that list...Zach Loveday. A local 7'1" sophomore from Gallia Academy (Gallia County) and he has an offer from O$U and has also visited Xavier (not sure if an offer has been extended yet). Anyone know if Ohio has bothered to give him a look? I think Ohio might be able to snatch him up if approached properly. Just curious...



Xavier and Purdue have offered along with Ohio State. Have not seen or heard anything regarding Ohio, but I find it hard to believe they wouldn't be at least thinking about pursuing him.
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 9:17:06 AM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
This thread makes me think Monroe is in here with 11 bogus accounts. One bumpy season and half the posters here are jumping off the wagon. The wagon is better off without you.


You're dead wrong. This has been a downward slide that is culminating in year four of the highest paid coach in the conference. Next year looks worse. Apparently it bears repeating: We're in LAST PLACE in the MAC. This isn't the ACC. Ohio has the biggest budget and now has the worst results. The injury excuse is spurious at best because we're talking about one player who averaged under 10 points as a freshman. Simmons transferring? That's on the coach, who should have planned better and should have known it was possible. Whatever you blame those issues on, they exposed a much bigger problem: There's not enough MAC-level talent on this roster. We're in last place because we belong there.


Just so I'm sure I understand this downward slide...

Year 1 under Saul, with a dysfunctional group: 10-20
Year 2: 23-12
Year 3, losing your returning MAC POY in season: 20-11

If you told me we were a healthy basketball team that trended downwards, you know what, I'd probably agree with you. But unlike you, I'm looking at more than just W-L totals. You simply can NOT lose the caliber of player to injury that this team has lost the last two seasons and expect no drop off. To do that is insane, in my opinion. I find it pretty darn miraculous that the team won 20 games last year with Tony going down. With him, there would have been several more wins.

Look, this season has stunk. There's not going to be anyone here that will be able to tell you they are happy with this season to this point. Ignoring the adversity the team has faced and objectively looking at W-L is really foolish, to me. Making claims of a "downward slide" when, in my eyes, it has been anything BUT that until this year. And if the team wasn't in shambles with injuries, I'd bet on the results this year being different, as well.

Back. Off. The. Ledge.


The downward slide is evident in the quality of recruits coming in. Year one's dysfunction helped us lose Ryan Taylor. Year two's success was on the back of Jim Christian's recruits. Year three saw a herculean effort from Simmons (who subsequently punched a ticket out of town) and the emergence of Carter. Year four is a train wreck based on an injured sophomore. Year five will see us lose Laster and bring in some kids who may or may not be ready for MAC play (recent history suggests they'll all be serious projects to some degree).

I'm not saying we have NO quality on the roster. I'm saying we don't have enough to be competitive in the effing MAC. It's not an acceptable result given the level of resources the school commits.


Oh, Jason Carter is the only injured guy on the team? Sorry, I must have been hearing some bad information from...pretty much everyone but you. Sorry.
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   Posted: 1/24/2018 9:19:05 AM 
Recovering Journalist wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
This thread makes me think Monroe is in here with 11 bogus accounts. One bumpy season and half the posters here are jumping off the wagon. The wagon is better off without you.


You're dead wrong. This has been a downward slide that is culminating in year four of the highest paid coach in the conference. Next year looks worse. Apparently it bears repeating: We're in LAST PLACE in the MAC. This isn't the ACC. Ohio has the biggest budget and now has the worst results. The injury excuse is spurious at best because we're talking about one player who averaged under 10 points as a freshman. Simmons transferring? That's on the coach, who should have planned better and should have known it was possible. Whatever you blame those issues on, they exposed a much bigger problem: There's not enough MAC-level talent on this roster. We're in last place because we belong there.


Just so I'm sure I understand this downward slide...

Year 1 under Saul, with a dysfunctional group: 10-20
Year 2: 23-12
Year 3, losing your returning MAC POY in season: 20-11

If you told me we were a healthy basketball team that trended downwards, you know what, I'd probably agree with you. But unlike you, I'm looking at more than just W-L totals. You simply can NOT lose the caliber of player to injury that this team has lost the last two seasons and expect no drop off. To do that is insane, in my opinion. I find it pretty darn miraculous that the team won 20 games last year with Tony going down. With him, there would have been several more wins.

Look, this season has stunk. There's not going to be anyone here that will be able to tell you they are happy with this season to this point. Ignoring the adversity the team has faced and objectively looking at W-L is really foolish, to me. Making claims of a "downward slide" when, in my eyes, it has been anything BUT that until this year. And if the team wasn't in shambles with injuries, I'd bet on the results this year being different, as well.

Back. Off. The. Ledge.


The downward slide is evident in the quality of recruits coming in. Year one's dysfunction helped us lose Ryan Taylor. Year two's success was on the back of Jim Christian's recruits. Year three saw a herculean effort from Simmons (who subsequently punched a ticket out of town) and the emergence of Carter. Year four is a train wreck based on an injured sophomore. Year five will see us lose Laster and bring in some kids who may or may not be ready for MAC play (recent history suggests they'll all be serious projects to some degree).

I'm not saying we have NO quality on the roster. I'm saying we don't have enough to be competitive in the effing MAC. It's not an acceptable result given the level of resources the school commits.


Agree^^^^. Buffalo and Ball State already own us. Just wait until Groce has what he wants next year and the year after. And oh by the way...he just beat us with what will be his worst ever team during his tenure at Akron. Not sure where the disconnect is with Saul's recruiting, but you better be able to at least bring in MAC caliber players.

Last Edited: 1/24/2018 9:19:54 AM by FearLeon

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