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Topic: RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Topic: RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

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FearLeon
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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 8:46:28 AM

GraffZ06 wrote:

So this game happened. Not that you'd know it.

We lost.

Did anybody actually watch it? Does anybody care?

^^^This. It's depressing watching these games on ESPN3. Nobody goes to these games anymore. Zero noise comes across these broadcasts. This program just doesn't have any buzz right now.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 8:46:40 AM

GraffZ06 wrote:

So this game happened. Not that you'd know it.

We lost.

Did anybody actually watch it? Does anybody care?

While watching last night I did think several times, "Where is everybody?"

Via ESPN the place looked kind of thin, and we were only seeing the lower portions.

Bleed Green and GO OHIO!!

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 8:49:22 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Seemed to me we lost because the whole team had a bad case of what I call "Chad Gill disease." That man had more creative ways to blow layups than any college basketball player I think I've ever witnessed. Tonight so did we.

"Chad Gill Disease"....classic line! Good ole Larry Hunter's first ever recruit. I'll never forget get him looking like he was going to throw up when he stepped onto the court at Rupp Arena his Freshman year. Good memories.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 9:22:14 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

That's the story of the game. 44.5% from three, 14-17 at the line, and five fewer turns, with Ohio only having 9. I'll take all of those numbers every day. Ohio got beat on the glass, but that's going to happen often this year.

The layups and shots from 5-7 feet that were missed though....ugh, was that ugly.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 9:42:19 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

bobcat28 wrote:

[QUOTE=BobcatSports] We open as 1.5pt favorites.

This is shocking. whoever set this line has not seen us play this season.
QUOTE]

It's definitely not shocking. Per Sagarin, Ball State is less than a point higher than Ohio. Since Ohio is playing at home, the only surprise is that Ohio is not favored by 3 instead of 1.5.

Ball State is a good team, but let's don't go overboard in praising them based only on their win over Notre Dame . If Ohio brings it's B game vs Ball at home, Ohio wins. Biggest disadvantage for Ohio is that Ball State is coming off the big loss and will be hungry.

Eye test > Sagarin. All you have to do is watch these teams play and you can see the talent differential on the floor. Might want to avoid the next 6 games also if possible.

Last Edited: 1/10/2018 9:51:08 AM by bobcat28

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 9:51:11 AM

My expectations for this team are pretty low at this point. Any win in MAC play will be hard to come by with maybe one surprising blowout win somewhere IMHO. Ohio and Akron have been towards the top along with Buffalo the past few years of the teams in the East but it looks like Buffalo will be joined with BG and Miami the way things have gone so far. Lots of basketball left to play, though.

I didn't watch the game so going off of some of the comments here it's discouraging to hear that there were some playing without any fire/heart/energy. I can handle losing but not if max effort is not being given.

This program is pretty listless right now and I do have to wonder if Saul only has about 14 months to get it up to a high level. If the team goes say 6-12 in MAC play I think next year maybe a make or break season for him in terms of a contract renewal. We could find another coach who would accept a much lower salary to get similar results to what is being produced right now. With all of the excitement around the program after his hire it's disappointing that this is what 4 years of building looks like.

Say what you want about the O-Zone being dead, general attendance being low etc. but when the product on the court is nothing too exciting you aren't going to draw high numbers. Maybe the support should be there regardless but free time and disposable cash are in limited supply for most so you need to entice them to spend both.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 9:53:15 AM

Ball St. shot 61.8% (21-for-34) on twos. Ohio shot 15-for-43 (34.9%). As many have pointed out, a lot of those Ohio misses were good looks. However, Ohio is not a great 2-point shooting team. For the season, they're at 48.9% (204th) nationally. Still, if they have a normal shooting night, it's anyone's game at the end. Defensively, once BSU got the ball into Moses at the post, bad things happened for Ohio.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 10:07:35 AM

FearLeon wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Might be mistaken, but didn't Gill's dad play at Ohio? Maybe played with Hunter?

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 10:24:23 AM

FearLeon wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

So this game happened. Not that you'd know it.

We lost.

Did anybody actually watch it? Does anybody care?

^^^This. It's depressing watching these games on ESPN3. Nobody goes to these games anymore. Zero noise comes across these broadcasts. This program just doesn't have any buzz right now.

Couldn't agree more.

The buzz is severely lacking right now.

I think it's a combination of a lot of things over the last 6 years since that Sweet 16 run. These are just a few IMHO.

We've had three coaches since 2012 ... and after tasting the highest of highs .... trips to the CBI and CIT are pretty underwhelming. It might be a bit of an elitist attitude ... but I think it's played a role in the "apathy"

The out-of-conference schedules have been pretty depressing with the exception of a few highlights over the years (at Ohio State, Diamond Head Classic, Charleston). I'm not saying we need to be playing Duke, Kansas and Kentucky each week ... but it would be nice to get some more games of interest on the docket ... especially at home ... and limit the dogs**t games like MEAC/SWACtion & NAIA. A couple is understandable ... but four of them is overkill ... especially when it's 1/3 of your non-conference schedule. Hard to get pumped playing NW Ohio before opening the MAC season.

And speaking of MAC season ... we've killed any buzz with our starts the last four years in the MAC

2014-15 (2-6)
2015-16 (4-4)
2016-17 (5-3)
2017-18 (1-2)

A lot of times ... we hit mid-season as a mediocre MAC team. BLAH has already set in.

The injuries have been killer .... any buzz that was building the last few years has been railroaded by Campbell injury .... Carter injury ... and a lot of others in between.

Saul desperately needs a WOW year to re-energize things. These 20-12 years where Ohio finishes 10-8 in the league and loses in the MAC semifinals are the equivalent to the 7-6 (4-4) MAC football season where Ohio gets beat in some random bowl in Alabama. Just zero excitement for that. He needs a run to the MAC Title game (at worst) and obviously something more to pump some life into this thing.

I'm just not sure he's going to get the time to do that. It might 2018-19 or bust for him. I'm not sure Schaus is going to renew a guy who is on the Larry Hunter Plan ... but getting paid one of the highest salaries in the MAC.

Last Edited: 1/10/2018 10:25:05 AM by bshot44

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 10:28:31 AM

I did watch the game. One of the things that I noticed when the Bobcats have gone on these second-half scoring droughts in back-to-back games is that they don't play smart.

During both droughts, they came down the floor quickly and put up quick shots that were not really good shots. Why wouldn't you want to slow down the pace and the other team's momentum? Ball St. scored 9 unanswered points to take the lead for good and during that span, the Bobcats took an average of 12 seconds on each possession to miss each of their shots.

12 seconds.

Work the ball. Slow down the run.

That's on the coach.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 10:41:22 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

Normally, if you have a deep team it is better to run, because it is harder to score in in the half-court style of play, but if you play a half-court offense and fire up quick shots than you are giving the defense a break because, you are not making them work. We miss a lot of layups and open three. If the quick shot is a layup or open three, take it, if not move the ball around until you get a good or great shot opportunity.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 10:49:51 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

12 seconds...phew. That's barely a couple passes.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 11:10:02 AM

Sights and sounds from tonights @OhioMBasketball game against Ball State! #BleedGreen pic.twitter.com/63wWl5yo9s
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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 11:22:54 AM

Two thoughts I've read in here I'll comment on for now:

Talk about players "not having fire, heart, or energy." That's one of those things I refuse to believe for the most part. These guys all, for the most part, have fire, want-to, whatever. The game last night wasn't lost because of that reason. It was lost in the paint, where BSU made a bunch more than Ohio. Plain and simple.

Being "outgunned in the MAC". I think at certain positions, Ohio is outgunned as a consequence of injury and other things. At others, they're better than some teams in the league. Against some teams, such as UB, Ohio will probably be outgunned, but on the whole, I don't think Ohio is truly outgunned in the league. We've seen really nice flashes from a lot of guys on this team, some more than others obviously. It's up to the coaches, and the individual players to get those flashes to happen more consistently.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 11:34:27 AM

Not cool to rip on past OU players and especially their parents. They worked hard to represent a university that you call yourself a fan of. You might want to check the success of the squad Gill Sr played on.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 11:38:54 AM

bobcatsquared wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Might be mistaken, but didn't Gill's dad play at Ohio? Maybe played with Hunter?

Lots in one post. Yes, Chad's, who is now at Pickerington North, dad played at OU in the 60s.

http://www.ohiobobcats.com/varsity-ohio/spec-rel/021314aa...

In the first half last night, I thought the entire team did a great job of denying the ball especially out front where Ball State was forced to start their offense much higher on the floor. In the second half, that denial wasn't as effective and Ball State easily got the ball inside or drove to the hoop.

Brute strength starting with Persons who while giving up inches to Kirk was just too strong for him. Check out his upper body in this photo.

http://ballstatesports.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball

And finally attendance and I know I'll get hammered on this but with the majority of area high school teams playing on Tuesday night, the MAC's switch to Tuesday and an occasional Friday night will hurt home attendance. Quite a few regulars weren't there last night because they were at the local high school games.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 11:45:27 AM

I agree. Enough with this "we didn't play with heart, passion, blah, blah, blah...." I don't believe that for one minute. These games are the biggest events in their lives and they want to win very badly.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 11:59:35 AM

Ted Thompson wrote:

Sights and sounds from tonights https://twitter.com/OhioMBasketball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw game against Ball State! https://twitter.com/hashtag/BleedGreen?src=hash&ref_s... https://t.co/63wWl5yo9s&mdash ; OhioBobcatTV (@OhioBobcatTV) https://twitter.com/OhioBobcatTV/status/95092189140925235...

After watching that, I believe we won by a score of 46-0!!! Total domination....Should be renamed from "sights and sounds", to OHIO Highlight film.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 12:12:19 PM

giacomo wrote:

I wouldn't classify last night as not playing with "heart" or fire. But there have been games where "fire" was lacking. You couldn't have watched this program the last four years and not seen instances where the team looked flat.

I'm not saying for one second that this team or program doesn't care or doesn't want to win. But the energy has been off in some contests. I wouldn't say that last night. But wouldn't you say that was the case vs. NW Ohio ... an NAIA school that Ohio struggled to put away? It happens. Sometimes teams just come out flat. I think it happens more with this regime than it has in years past. I've noticed it.

There just isn't a rah-rah type of guy on this roster. The slap-you-upside-the-head-and-light-a-fire-under-your-ass attitude just isn't in this team or program's DNA right now.

Last Edited: 1/10/2018 12:12:49 PM by bshot44

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 12:17:30 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

FearLeon wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Might be mistaken, but didn't Gill's dad play at Ohio? Maybe played with Hunter?

I believe so....Charlie Gill? The Kentucky game was a classic, but Chad always hustled and gave it his all.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 12:45:13 PM

bshot44 wrote:

There isn't a college basketball program in the country where this doesn't apply at some point during the season. Even Bob Huggins, who is about as fiery and in your face as it gets, even his teams have a few games where this sort of thing applies.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 1:46:21 PM

And in practices. In fact, Huggins kicked his whole team out of practice last week for this reason as the Mountaineers were preparing for a game v. Oklahoma and Trae Young.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 2:32:57 PM

We were 8-18 from three, actually not a bad clip. Don't count Gavin Block, and we were 8-13. Youch.

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 3:49:33 PM

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And in practices. In fact, Huggins kicked his whole team out of practice last week for this reason as the Mountaineers were preparing for a game v. Oklahoma and Trae Young.

And look at how they responded. They beat Oklahoma.

That's my point. Ohio doesn't seem to have those moments.

Huggins kicked WVU in the ass .... who's kicking Ohio in the ass?

Ohio beats NIU ... and then lets one slip away vs. Ball.

The NIU win was a nice response to the CMU beatdown.

But Ohio has had around five 20+ point beatdowns in the MAC over the last 4 years. That is a lot for this league .... and a lot for what is supposed to be a top tier MAC program.

I don't think I'm crazy saying this team needs another Treg Setty ... someone that can light a fire under some butts when needed. Setty wasn't the most skillful player ... but he busted his ass every night and every possession and tried like hell to carry the team on his shoulders even though he might be the guy that needed to be doing that.

Who puts Ohio on their shoulders this year? Dartis? Block? Kirk? The only one that seems close is Laster ...

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RE: Official Game 15 Thread: Ball St.

Posted: 1/10/2018 4:33:30 PM

bshot44 wrote:

bobcatsquared wrote:

And in practices. In fact, Huggins kicked his whole team out of practice last week for this reason as the Mountaineers were preparing for a game v. Oklahoma and Trae Young.

"But Ohio has had around five 20+ point beatdowns in the MAC over the last 4 years. That is a lot for this league .... and a lot for what is supposed to be a top tier MAC program."

I like to put it in context of the rest of the league, because most teams lay eggs during a year. What's the context of the rest of the league?

Setty, by the way, in his last year, deserves credit for being pretty darn skilled. He improved a ton over his time here, in particular his senior year.

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