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The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top doubledribble General User Member Since: 10/6/2010 Post Count: 554 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 11:35:41 AM  bshot44...Amen ! OCF...I think the problem is more than just name recognition and quality of opponent. Last Edited: 12/11/2017 11:39:38 AM by doubledribble Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,025 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 11:37:22 AM  And lest we forget, the courtside black seats don't help matters. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,508 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 11:37:55 AM  I agree about the "tarps" for the upper level seats. The Izod Arena in the Meadowlands used to use curtains to "screen" the upper deck for certain events. They used it to create a more "intimate" environment so they could use Izod for acts that couldn't sell more then the lower tier. It did give the appearance of the place being full. Last Edited: 12/11/2017 11:40:50 AM by rpbobcat Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 11:55:29 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Just a question, nothing more: What do you think the attendance would have been if instead of playing WKU on Sunday, we'd have been playing Wisconsin? Would have been a bit more lively ... I'm guessing there would have been a little more buzz around the game leading up to it because we rarely, if ever, get a P5 team to come play in the Convo. The marketing for the WKU game (which I agree is a decent home game) is no different than it was for Coppin State, Marietta or that powerhouse coming in December ... Mighty NW Ohio. Wash. Rinse. Repeat. No deviation from the norm with this group. Back to Top bshot44 General User Member Since: 2/12/2012 Post Count: 2,211 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 11:57:52 AM  rpbobcat wrote: I agree about the "tarps" for the upper level seats. The Izod Arena in the Meadowlands used to use curtains to "screen" the upper deck for certain events. They used it to create a more "intimate" environment so they could use Izod for acts that couldn't sell more then the lower tier. It did give the appearance of the place being full. Three Rivers Stadium used to do it back in the 90s for Pirates games and it made a big difference. They could some cool promotional material on the tarps ... MAC Titles ... NCAA Tourney appearances ... etc. I think it could really actually add some much-needed life to the aesthetics of the Convo .... and push folks closer to the court giving it that more intimate feeling. A lively 6000 person crowd that is all closer to the court is much better than a 6000 person crowd that is sparsely spread all over the place. Back to Top Jim G General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 82 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 12:10:27 PM  Black seats need to go away. The students need to be court side. Students > $ Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,069 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 12:20:42 PM  Obc2 wrote: my son attend HS in NKY and they have "crazies" in student section, usually numbering 100+. sometimes 2-3x that. granted they just won 5a state football title and basketball has two D1 signees (Xavier, Iowa). i find it hard to understand why ozone cant find a couple hundred fanatics. lord knows theyre aint THAT much to do in athens... As long as NOT going to the games is something to brag about... quote: "I haven't even been to a football game, and I'm a junior." http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/08/ohio-univers... It's pretty much impossible to make people care about something they don't care about. You might have trouble getting their parents to attend a Bassnectar show for free. Different generations like different stuff. I don't think blaming MTV and video games is the answer either. This isn't 1990. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,929 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 12:20:57 PM  If you guys seriously think that a row of black seats, which provide dollars to the athletic department by the way, are a reason for students not being more involved with basketball games, you're out of your minds. The students in the O-Zone are still closer to the action than some other places I've seen. The Convo used to be unique in that regard having students actually right on the floor. Let's not act like that's a normal thing. But if the AD can generate a few more bucks for some people willing to pay, which there are, then sell those seats. We can't have it both ways, bitching about no money in the AD, but also bitching about those seats being there. I told Country this yesterday: they need to start allowing folks to move down after the game has started. Say the under 12 timeout of the first half, maybe under 8, if those seats are still open down below, make an announcement that everyone can move down. Make the place "feel" more packed. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,025 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 12:34:49 PM  GoCats105 wrote: If you guys seriously think that a row of black seats, which provide dollars to the athletic department by the way, are a reason for students not being more involved with basketball games, you're out of your minds. The students in the O-Zone are still closer to the action than some other places I've seen. The Convo used to be unique in that regard having students actually right on the floor. Let's not act like that's a normal thing. But if the AD can generate a few more bucks for some people willing to pay, which there are, then sell those seats. We can't have it both ways, bitching about no money in the AD, but also bitching about those seats being there. I told Country this yesterday: they need to start allowing folks to move down after the game has started. Say the under 12 timeout of the first half, maybe under 8, if those seats are still open down below, make an announcement that everyone can move down. Make the place "feel" more packed. Talk about out of your mind, your last paragraph is a classic. Can you imagine the stampede that would ensue each and every game when the 12 minute mark occurred. The only place that I know of that encourages people to move down front is the Presbyterian Church. Back to Top spongeBOB CATpants General User Member Since: 8/16/2016 Post Count: 948 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 12:44:30 PM  greencat wrote: Obc2 wrote: my son attend HS in NKY and they have "crazies" in student section, usually numbering 100+. sometimes 2-3x that. granted they just won 5a state football title and basketball has two D1 signees (Xavier, Iowa). i find it hard to understand why ozone cant find a couple hundred fanatics. lord knows theyre aint THAT much to do in athens... As long as NOT going to the games is something to brag about... quote: "I haven't even been to a football game, and I'm a junior." http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/08/ohio-univers... It's pretty much impossible to make people care about something they don't care about. You might have trouble getting their parents to attend a Bassnectar show for free. Different generations like different stuff. I don't think blaming MTV and video games is the answer either. This isn't 1990. As ridiculous as it sounds, video games could honestly take partial blame. You'd be shocked to walk through a dorm on west green on any given home game night. I'm speaking from a male perspective but almost every single open room has multiple guys in the room crowded around an xbox... Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,488 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 12:45:17 PM  GoCats105 wrote: If you guys seriously think that a row of black seats, which provide dollars to the athletic department by the way, are a reason for students not being more involved with basketball games, you're out of your minds. The students in the O-Zone are still closer to the action than some other places I've seen. The Convo used to be unique in that regard having students actually right on the floor. Let's not act like that's a normal thing. But if the AD can generate a few more bucks for some people willing to pay, which there are, then sell those seats. We can't have it both ways, bitching about no money in the AD, but also bitching about those seats being there. I told Country this yesterday: they need to start allowing folks to move down after the game has started. Say the under 12 timeout of the first half, maybe under 8, if those seats are still open down below, make an announcement that everyone can move down. Make the place "feel" more packed. Yeah, that’s real motivation then to sell Platinum seats, why shell out $2k when the guy across from me can sit there at the price of a family pack. Back to Top ShoreCat General User Member Since: 3/10/2011 Location: Avon Lake, OH Post Count: 207 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:00:41 PM  My brother, minor league baseball executive, has told me that the game is now only 1 attraction. You have to have other events to keep people's attention. In Akron, they added a tiki bar, and greatly expanded activities for kids. The Cleveland Indians did the same thing. They downsized to add a bar in right field and it is always packed. I'm not sure how this translates to collegiate athletics. I'd love to hear from students. On a game night (any sport), do you know about the game? If you do but choose not to go, why aren't you going? As others on this thread have said, this sounds like a great idea for the marketing department to explore. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:05:04 PM  spongeBOB CATpants wrote: greencat wrote: Obc2 wrote: my son attend HS in NKY and they have "crazies" in student section, usually numbering 100+. sometimes 2-3x that. granted they just won 5a state football title and basketball has two D1 signees (Xavier, Iowa). i find it hard to understand why ozone cant find a couple hundred fanatics. lord knows theyre aint THAT much to do in athens... As long as NOT going to the games is something to brag about... quote: "I haven't even been to a football game, and I'm a junior." http://www.thepostathens.com/article/2016/08/ohio-univers... It's pretty much impossible to make people care about something they don't care about. You might have trouble getting their parents to attend a Bassnectar show for free. Different generations like different stuff. I don't think blaming MTV and video games is the answer either. This isn't 1990. As ridiculous as it sounds, video games could honestly take partial blame. You'd be shocked to walk through a dorm on west green on any given home game night. I'm speaking from a male perspective but almost every single open room has multiple guys in the room crowded around an xbox... I went to OHIO when the Ozone was still impressive, albeit probably on its last leg. Students showed up for basketball games, especially for big games. There was also a large student contingent at Volleyball games. We had video games and they were just as popular then as they are now. I spent many nights playing FIFA, Madden, Mario Kart, and Rock Band/Guitar Hero. I also went to basketball games. I'm not sure what the reason is that students aren't interested in the games, but I don't think it's video games. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,708 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:18:37 PM  Many solid points have been brought up about marketing, the convo, and gameday experience. Some improvements could be made here, but... The real issue is the students just don't care. I'm not even real interested in a crowd that was gimmicked into coming, I want our students to give a crap. To know our players and care about their success. Outside of being a perennial nationally dominant program, I'm not sure what can be done. It's just a sad reality of how these kids choose to spend their time. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:21:31 PM  BayCat wrote: My brother, minor league baseball executive, has told me that the game is now only 1 attraction. You have to have other events to keep people's attention. In Akron, they added a tiki bar, and greatly expanded activities for kids. The Cleveland Indians did the same thing. They downsized to add a bar in right field and it is always packed. I'm not sure how this translates to collegiate athletics. I'd love to hear from students. On a game night (any sport), do you know about the game? If you do but choose not to go, why aren't you going? As others on this thread have said, this sounds like a great idea for the marketing department to explore. Exactly the kind of questions that should be worked on during move in day the next semester, and it would be a great project for students aspiring for the sports marketing and sales professions after graduation. Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,069 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:22:07 PM  The apathy starts in high school. School throws a big rowdy pep rally the day of the game. Students act like they have school spirit but mostly are overjoyed about getting out of 3rd period biology class. Night of the game: a scant fraction of them show up to pull for their classmates on the court. Maybe some are bagging groceries at a Kroger at night or working at Sonic. That's legit. But lots have no reason for not going. A large college on the other hand should have the resources to bribe the students to show up. Get something going with _____________ mountain bike company and draw for one in the second half of every big game when the students are not home for holidays. On a new Xbox or Toshiba HandiBook (LOL!) giveaway sponsored by (whoever). Plenty of t-shirts and pizza to giveaway too. People like free stuff and they like contests to try and win free stuff. Basketball can't annoy them so bad that they against free stuff. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:24:11 PM  Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: If you guys seriously think that a row of black seats, which provide dollars to the athletic department by the way, are a reason for students not being more involved with basketball games, you're out of your minds. The students in the O-Zone are still closer to the action than some other places I've seen. The Convo used to be unique in that regard having students actually right on the floor. Let's not act like that's a normal thing. But if the AD can generate a few more bucks for some people willing to pay, which there are, then sell those seats. We can't have it both ways, bitching about no money in the AD, but also bitching about those seats being there. I told Country this yesterday: they need to start allowing folks to move down after the game has started. Say the under 12 timeout of the first half, maybe under 8, if those seats are still open down below, make an announcement that everyone can move down. Make the place "feel" more packed. Talk about out of your mind, your last paragraph is a classic. Can you imagine the stampede that would ensue each and every game when the 12 minute mark occurred. The only place that I know of that encourages people to move down front is the Presbyterian Church. They could at least start selling the empty seats as single game tickets. There's no way every seat below the concourse is sold. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,025 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:26:48 PM  Anybody consider these two things - no one has an obligation to attend anything and going to a game just doesn't float a lot of folks boats just like some students never attend a play, performance, or other activity that the kid next door is a star in. Not sure why we - a bunch of aging white men who enjoyed the games back in the day - worry about it. Yes, I've commented on it but it doesn't keep me up at night. Back to Top ShoreCat General User Member Since: 3/10/2011 Location: Avon Lake, OH Post Count: 207 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:27:16 PM  So why don't students care? Have entertainment options in Athens (actual, physical places to do things, not social media) increased that much so that going to games isn't a big deal? Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,069 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:30:29 PM  And for games when the students are gone like the dud game coming up against "Northwest Ohio" (?) put stacks of free tickets out at stores townies go to. Like Tractor Supply. Some farmer might enjoy free basketball tickets when they to go to stock up on chicken feed. It's better than playing in front of a totally empty arena. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:30:31 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Anybody consider these two things - no one has an obligation to attend anything and going to a game just doesn't float a lot of folks boats just like some students never attend a play, performance, or other activity that the kid next door is a star in. Not sure why we - a bunch of aging white men who enjoyed the games back in the day - worry about it. Yes, I've commented on it but it doesn't keep me up at night. Watch it Alan, there are at least two -- and maybe more -- aging black men on this board. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top bigtillyoopsupsideurhead General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 1,925 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:30:59 PM  BayCat wrote: So why don't students care? Have entertainment options in Athens (actual, physical places to do things, not social media) increased that much so that going to games isn't a big deal? I still think lack of NCAA appearances is a bigger factor than activities. Video Games and Bars existed 6 years ago, yet the O Zone was mhch bigger then. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,137 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:36:24 PM  Another thing to consider: right or wrong, is Saul ball really all that exciting for a casual basketball viewer to watch? I mean, it's efficient in the way that the Spurs or the Grizzlies of recent years is efficient. But are there any can't-miss players? There's no DJ Cooper or Maurice Ndour or even a Devaughn Washington that does flashy things. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather win than be flashy (both would be great), but truth be told, I'd like to see amazing athleticism every once in a while too. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,929 Status: Offline     RE: Rest in Peace Ozone, 2001 - 2017    Posted: 12/11/2017 1:41:05 PM  bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote: BayCat wrote: So why don't students care? Have entertainment options in Athens (actual, physical places to do things, not social media) increased that much so that going to games isn't a big deal? I still think lack of NCAA appearances is a bigger factor than activities. Video Games and Bars existed 6 years ago, yet the O Zone was mhch bigger then. We had amazing O-Zone crowds in the TOS era, even before he took us to the NCAA tournament. Back to Top Showing Replies:   26 - 50  of 137 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 325 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 324 Guests 1 Registered User:   Mike Coleman There are no other users looking at this page.

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