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bshot44
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:28:57 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

"Bowl games go to anybody with a pulse." Western Michigan must have not had a pulse this season. I guess the Redhawks from Miami didn't have a pulse this season? Do CBI, CIT, NIT and other post season college basketball games go to everyone with a pulse? If Ohio gets an invite from one of the above post season basketball tournaments, they should say no because everyone with a pulse gets invited. These post season opportunities for athletes give them a chance to play an extra game or two. These games also provide fans one last opportunity to see the athletes perform. Nobody suggested that this bowl game is the equivalent of a Super Bowl, but it is an opportunity for a good group of players to achieve one more win and get to nine wins this season. Not everyone with a pulse earns nine wins every year. You and a few others like you can continue to bash Ohio football all you want. If you are so frustrated then refuse to buy tickets and stay at home on game days.

What the hell are you talking about?

Miami was 5-7 ... not bowl eligible.

WMU was 6-6 ... one of three bowl eligible teams to not get an invite.

Those college basketball tournaments you mention are nothing like bowl games. Outside the NIT, you actually have to pay to play in those. They're not necessarily a reward for a good year. Hell, some of those tourneys are filled with teams with losing records because they're willing to fork out cash to keep playing.

And where am I bashing Ohio football? Because I voice my displeasure with two atrocious losses to end the season costing them a shot at a MACC? Am I supposed to just ignore that happened? Are we only allowed to talk about wins on this message board?

C'mon. Get real

Last Edited: 12/12/2017 12:35:17 AM by bshot44

Bobcat1996
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 7:26:22 AM

Why don't you write a huge check to the AD and President and demand that Ohio do better in football? Tell them you are tired of the current staff. Demand a conference title or nothing. Then after you do that, go see the President and Board of Trustees and tell them that tuition needs to be lowered and that the university is overloaded with administrators and professors. I'm sure after writing that huge check the powers that be will listen to your complaints.

bshot44
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 8:52:36 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

What the hell are you talking about?!?!?!?

You are just typing words that make ZERO sense.

Who is "demanding Ohio do better in football"?

You're trying to recycle material used against Monroe, who may have talked about that.

Go back and find one comment of mine "demanding" better or asking Solich to be fired. Please ... I urge you to try.

Again ... this is a message board where people come to discuss Ohio football ... the good and the bad.

I know you can't bear the thought of saying anything remotely negative about the mighty green & white ... and that's fine.

But quit bashing folks who don't drink the green kool aid and look at this program with the green tinted Solich shades that you do.

You're embarrassing yourself trying to pick arguments with someone who has weaved his opinion that this has been a disappointing season ... following up similar disappointments of years past ... backed up by facts.

Ohio lost games it shouldn't have. Period.

They haven't won a MACC. Period.

Stop your witch hunt of finding the next Monroe so you can cast your dispersions.

Last Edited: 12/12/2017 11:02:18 AM by bshot44

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:22:19 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

No need to go see the President and the board - this ANews article has already told them the story.

https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/has-administratrat...

bshot44
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:22:48 AM

OhioStunter wrote:

YOU QUESTIONED ME ABOUT HOW SUCCESS SHOULD BE MORE THAN A BOWL GAME AND THEN CAME BACK WITH A STATEMENT ABOUT HOW 8-4 WITH A BOWL GAME IS SUCCESSFUL. TO ME, THOSE WERE CONFLICTING/CONFUSING STATEMENTS.

6-6 bowl game season would not be a success to me ... unless Ohio starts scheduling Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson and Oklahoma in the non-conference and goes 6-2 in the MAC. That will NEVER be happening. A 6-6 season for Ohio would squarely fall into the disappointing season category considering they consistently play one of the worst schedules in the MAC and in the country.

8-4 is successful in terms of wins/losses. That's winning 66% of your games ... and again, when you play the schedule Ohio does you SHOULD be winning 2/3 of your games because most of the teams on your schedule are well beneath you. I would say 8-4 is successful in terms of wins/losses ... but it is wildly disappointing when you actually dissect how thing played out this year.

OhioStunter wrote:

I AGREE WITH YOU HERE. AND WITH THAT LOGIC, A MACC SHOULD ALSO NOT BE THE ONLY QUALIFIER FOR A SUCCESSFUL YEAR (I'VE ALSO STATED THAT EARLIER IN THIS THREAD)

It's not the ONLY qualifier ... but you make it sound like that those that value a MACC are saying it IS the only qualifier. It's not. I think we've established that. But an 8-5 MAC Championship season is a HELLUVA lot more successful than a 9-4 season that ends with a Bahamas Bowl win. I'm sorry ... a league championship, especially when you HAVEN'T WON ONE IN 50 YEARS is a big deal.

OhioStunter wrote:

Would you classify a 6-6 year where Ohio makes a bowl game a successful year?

MOST LIKELY NOT, BUT IT DEPENDS ON OTHER FACTORS. ONLY LOOKING AT IT RECORD-WISE IS THE "BROAD BRUSH" VIEW THAT YOU'VE CALLED PEOPLE OUT ON.

Unless you have been riddled with injury and keeping the season together with duct tape and paper clips like Ohio Alum MacGyver ... I would have a hard time ever saying that 6-6 is a successful season for Ohio with the schedules they play. There are obviously exceptions ... but I would say 6-6 is below the standard Solich has set in his 13 years.

OhioStunter wrote:

I AGREE WITH YOU. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT YOU ARE CHALLENGING ME ON.

You are the one who started this nonsense by questioning the value of a MAC title and whether or not Toledo had a better year than Ohio or was in better position as a program than Ohio.

OhioStunter wrote:

What is the real value of a MAC title in football?

Other than a banner and sweatshirt, does it really change the outcome of where you play?

I think some people put way too much stock into a short-term value of MAC title over the overall big picture of the program's success.

OhioStunter wrote:

TOLEDO IS THE CURRENT CHAMPION AND ARE THEY REALLY BETTER OFF THAN OHIO RIGHT NOW?

OhioStunter wrote:

IS TOLEDO'S SEASON THAT DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT THAN OURS?

OU_Country
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:37:18 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Kinggeorge4 wrote:

I enjoy Founders:
KBS
CBS
Dirty Bastard
Backwoods Bastard
Breakfast Stout
Doom
Tank Bender

Also New Holland:
Dragon Milk...all flavors

They go well with tailgate food.

KBS, CBS are dynamite, but tough to find. I happen to be friends with the central Ohio Founders rep, so I know how to get it. ;)

In case you didn't know, Backwoods Bastard and Breakfast Stout are soon to be year 'round offerings in 2018.

Lastly, a favorite tailgate beverage of mine from Founders is Rubaeus, a Raspberry ale in line with Razz Wheat, but frankly a slightly better in my book.

For rpbobcat, yeah this is full on thread hijack. Got me sidetracked with steaks and good beer. ;)

If I'm having a steak, I'm having a good sancere with my salad course and a very smooth but chewy red with a long finish with the steak. Believe it or not, the 2015 Shade Winery Cabernet Franc is a very good match for a perfectly cooked strip steak.

Bringing some sanity and light hearted thought back to this thread by way of the thread hijack....

My wife really likes that particular wine. I'm a fan of their whites and the rose more than that one personally. I'm bummed I haven't been able to get out there this basketball season yet. I think there's only one more chance before they close down over the cold months too.

Also, regarding steaks, if you haven't had the ribeye sandwich, or the steak wrap on special at Jackie O's, I'd recommend getting there and having it. It was one of the best things I've ever had in there. And the Oil of Aphrodite, and Mandala Mosaic were also awesome. GoCats and I enjoyed a good chuckle that "delicious steak" actually came to fruition - in a way.

GoCats105 wrote:

But it's not guaranteed that a MAC title will get you a lower tier bowl every season, either. If you have a year like NIU or WMU had, you get a chance to get a big one. The MAC title at least gets you in the discussion for that. Without it, you're right, it essentially doesn't matter which bowl you get. And more often than not, yeah you're not gonna get that big bowl even with the MAC title. But you can still hang your hat on that MAC title.

It all goes back to what the goals of the program are. I would assume, in no particular order they are: MAC title, winning record, beat Miami, beat Marshall (in a given year they play), graduate players, stay out of jail, be nice to women and children, sip lemonade on a front porch swing, eat delicious steak, etc.

OU_Country wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Come on guys even our friend Monroe rarely stooped to junior high playground name calling. You can tell when we hit that "between season" - between our last real football game and our first real basketball game. With 15 work days left at most for many of in 2017, let's focus on the important things in life like getting the good guy elected in Alabama.

And the delicious steaks! Let's not forget those. GoCats105 had the best idea I've seen in this thread with those steaks.

(I'm imagining one right now with a glass of J.O's Oil of Aphrodite)

Last Edited: 12/12/2017 11:37:46 AM by OU_Country

Bobcat1996
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:38:19 AM

Let me begin by saying anyone who follows Bobcat football is not happy about the way the season ended. However, there is another game to be played and many fans will focus on that game.
The majority of alums, season ticket holders and people who attend games know that Ohio hasn't won a MACC. I am certain the players and coaches know it also. The team is moving on and preparing to win another game. Maybe you should do the same? Although it could be if you keep reminding people that Ohio hasn't won a league title, then the AD and President of Ohio will eventually listen to you. I'm sure if you write the university a big check, they will be on the phone immediately to Jim McElwain, Butch Jones, Jim Mora and Kevin Sumlin about coming to Ohio. Or maybe you can apply for the job and bring a MACC to Athens?

bshot44
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:39:09 AM

Glad you posted this around lunch time ... cause I'm hungry.

Think I can get to Athens and back to grab a steak sandwich during my break?

bshot44
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:41:32 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

I'm sure if you write the university a big check, they will be on the phone immediately to Jim McElwain, Butch Jones, Jim Mora and Kevin Sumlin about coming to Ohio. Or maybe you can apply for the job and bring a MACC to Athens?

What the hell does this even mean?!?!!

Who is talking about hiring Kevin Sumlin or Jim Mora?!?!?

LET. ME. REPEAT. THIS. VERY. VERY. SLOW. SO. MAYBE. YOU. CAN. UNDERSTAND. IT.

FRANK. SOLICH. WILL. NOT. BE. FIRED. NOR. SHOULD. HE. BE. FIRED.

Quit acting like I'm setting up shop on Jim Schaus' front lawn with a pitchfork and torches asking for Solich's head on a stake.

You're absurd.

rpbobcat
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:45:03 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

I was at charity event this week.

I've got one of the checks we used for the ceremony.

Its about 2'x 5'.

Think that's big enough ?

OU_Country
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:46:00 AM

bshot44 wrote:

Glad you posted this around lunch time ... cause I'm hungry.

Think I can get to Athens and back to grab a steak sandwich during my break?

It would be worth the drive in my opinion.

bshot44
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:47:03 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

I was at charity event this week.

I've got one of the checks we used for the ceremony.

Its about 2'x 5'.

Think that's big enough ?

It would have to be bigger than this I'm guessing. That's the only way to get Kevin Sumlin or Jim Mora.

https://fortybefore.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/happy-gil...

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 11:53:15 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

I was at charity event this week.

I've got one of the checks we used for the ceremony.

Its about 2'x 5'.

Think that's big enough ?

Last Edited: 12/12/2017 11:53:58 AM by OhioCatFan

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:13:06 PM

bshot44 wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

I was at charity event this week.

I've got one of the checks we used for the ceremony.

Its about 2'x 5'.

Think that's big enough ?

It would have to be bigger than this I'm guessing. That's the only way to get Kevin Sumlin or Jim Mora.

https://fortybefore.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/happy-gil...

Writing a check won't change the play calling, the recruiting of people who have never made all conference in high school or start forever. Ohio did not play to their potential and Bshot44 is just merely pointing that out. Someone wrote a $10 million dollar check the year that we beat Penn State and then melted down in October and November. People take the truth so personal as if they are an assistant coach. The medi's are mad because we cannot see the little green rainbows in the sky. Let's recruit and play to our potential and see where that gets us.

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 12:37:04 PM

Had no idea that the university increased over 300 full time administrators from 09-15.

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/12/2017 2:54:18 PM

"Richard Vedder, emeritus professor of economics at OU, provided a graph Friday showing that the ratio of administrators to faculty at OU has increased from about 0.4 administrators to one faculty member in 1974-1975, to almost 1.2 administrators for every single faculty member in 2015-2016. Vedder tied the current budget issues at OU with that ever-increasing number of administrators at the university."

As I said in a thread on this topic in Siberia, if these figures include those for the medical school, which started in 1975, they are misleading. Medical schools always have a much greater administrator to faculty ratio than their parent institution. I wonder if the spike in the last few years could be the result of the establishment of the two new medical school campuses -- one in Dublin and the other in Cleveland.

Statistics don't lie, but liars can use statistics.

Last Edited: 12/12/2017 2:59:10 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/13/2017 8:36:54 AM

bshot44 wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

No one is telling you to drink the Kool Aid, but now that Monroe is gone you are the single most disgruntled and negative poster on this site. So the comparisons are naturally going to come. Don't cry about it now.

Buckeye to Bobcat
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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/13/2017 10:33:37 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Said that forever about the College of Business. They were adding administration when faculty should have been adjusted. Literally is a Good Ole' Boy Network in that system and they just keep adding bureaucracy to it. Kind of annoying to be honest and one of things I go, "This is why I give to athletics versus giving to a bunch of couch slugs."

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/13/2017 11:01:10 AM

Sam bobcat wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

Bobcat1996 wrote:

What am I being negative about? What am I crying about?

Did Ohio win a MACC title this year? Ummm. No.

Did they lose games to Akron and Buffalo to end the year? Ummm. Yeah.

Am I just supposed to act like those didn't happen?

Am I just supposed to ignore them and focus solely on that win vs. Toledo?

Am I disgruntled? That's open for your interpretation ... but I think it's pretty easy to scroll thru these threads and see a lot of other people on here that are equally disappointed in the way Ohio finished this season and this program's inability to get over that proverbial hump.

Am I beating my chest demanding a MACC and saying Solich should be fired otherwise? Ummmm. No. I think I've made that abundantly clear.

It seems all you folks that are content with the way things unfolded and the fact Ohio put up another 8-4, 5-3 season are just looking for someone to "Bobcat Attack" for not sharing their joy.

Have I hijacked threads out of nowhere and started blasting about Ohio's non MACC? Ummmm. No.

Go back and look at the majority of my posts ... I'd say roughly 75-80% of them are in response to someone else.

You guys are the one's poking the so-called bear. You want to go on and on about how Nathan Rourke is the best QB in the MAC and that Ohio is a top 25 team next year and that Ohio is just as well off as Toledo despite not winning the MACC .... sorry, but I disagree with a lot of things that get posted here.

But here's the difference. I don't get bent out of shape when someone disagrees with me and take it personal.

I don't resort to name-calling.

I don't resort to saying "if you don't love it, leave it" when it comes to supporting Ohio athletics.

Life is full of people who don't share the same views on things .... Ohio athletics ... and Ohio football is one of many of those things.

I choose to embrace debate or conversation about this stuff. I like the back-and-forth ... most of my friends don't follow Ohio football, so it's not a topic of conversation a lot.

I come here to get that.

I think a lot of people come here to hold hands and sing the praises of St. Frank and if that isn't everyone's objective ... they get bent out of shape and start casting stones.

I'm not Monroe. I'm not even close.

So don't compare.

It's not a negative view ... it's a fact-based opinionated view.

Ohio lost those games to Akron and Buffalo ... just like they lost similar games the last 13 years. Those are facts. Run and hide from it ... justify it ... do whatever you'd like.

But you can't get mad when someone uses them as reference points to their view of Ohio football. It's like complaining it's hot outside .... but refusing to admit the sun exists.

You can only ignore reality for so long.

Last Edited: 12/13/2017 1:20:38 PM by bshot44

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/13/2017 11:01:52 AM

Thanks Sam as couldn't have said it better.

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/13/2017 11:32:51 AM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Two responses: 1. For the medical school the top-heavy number of administrators is justified. You won't find a medical school in the nation where this is not true. I don't have the time to go into the details, but it's just the nature of medical education. State funding for the medical school actually takes that into account. 2. Please go back and read my comments about your statement about OU-HCOM and surgery. Then issue an apology for your misrepresentation of OU-HCOM and osteopathic medicine. Man up!

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/13/2017 1:47:23 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

1. So I will man up on this one, I apologize. Happy now? I don't sit there saying see I told ya so all god dang day on these message boards. But nonetheless, did some extra reading, definitely more ya know.

2. Re-read what I said there. That was in reference to the College of Business. I did not go after the administration of a medical program. God only knows that's the last place we need to be screwing up, unlike Bancroft High's PA program. Why a College of Business has a COO I do not understand, but again what do I know?

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/13/2017 2:14:03 PM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Well, you hit a nerve. In another life I was the director of communication for what is now OU-HCOM. They added the "H" after I retired. I appreciate your retraction. Yes, it makes me happier. OK, I agree that what you were saying about administrative overload in COB has merit. Now we are even, and can return BA back to its normal programming! :-)

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/13/2017 3:49:55 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Yes, now let us commence the war.....

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RE: MAC Championship

Posted: 12/13/2017 4:01:36 PM

bshot44 wrote:

What am I being negative about? What am I crying about?

Did Ohio win a MACC title this year? Ummm. No.

Did they lose games to Akron and Buffalo to end the year? Ummm. Yeah.

You can only ignore reality for so long.

I think you answered your own question...

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