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Topic:  RE: JB
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oldkatz
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  Message Not Read  RE: JB
   Posted: 1/7/2018 11:44:45 AM 
L.C. wrote:
[QUOTE=BillyTheCat] [QUOTE=L.C.]


While this is an interesting side discussion, it doesn't change my main point. Since we have no idea what JB's utility function is, we are speculating in the dark if we try to guess what steps he might take to maximize it. In the end, we're just beating a dead horse again, as we often do on BA.


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BillyTheCat
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  Message Not Read  RE: JB
   Posted: 1/7/2018 12:37:44 PM 
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
In the recruiting process I've seen players list that that they had offers from Harvard, so I presume they do give scholarships, unless a "Harvard offer" is only an offer of admission.


Really????? Harvard and the IVY leagues are 0scholarships, has been for decades. He was heavily recruited by Yale though.

So, an "offer" from Harvard or Yale is just an offer of guaranteed admission? Even though that isn't a full ride, if you are admitted to Harvard or Yale, it comes with the guarantee that they will provide sufficient financial assistance that you can afford it.

While this is an interesting side discussion, it doesn't change my main point. Since we have no idea what JB's utility function is, we are speculating in the dark if we try to guess what steps he might take to maximize it. In the end, we're just beating a dead horse again, as we often do on BA.



Harvard and Yale both have a tiered tuition scale that every family falls under. I believe (and if Iím wrong Iím darn close), families under $120k is tuition free and then the scale goes up from there.

And an offer is a spot on the team, provided you gain entry to the school.

Last Edited: 1/7/2018 12:38:33 PM by BillyTheCat

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allen
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  Message Not Read  RE: JB
   Posted: 1/7/2018 1:37:52 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BTC, I believe there is an extra spot on Mt. Rushmore being reserved just for you as the most knowledgeable person in the history of college sports.


Lol, here is a pretty interesting take on the IVYís. https://new.berecruited.com/resources/recruiting/ivy-leag...

Last Edited: 1/7/2018 1:43:14 PM by allen


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OhioCatFan
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   Posted: 1/7/2018 1:51:10 PM 
allen, that was an interesting article. Thanks!


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allen
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  Message Not Read  RE: JB
   Posted: 1/7/2018 7:10:10 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
allen, that was an interesting article. Thanks!


Youíre welcome. If Mr. Burrow want to go there, they will find some money to take care of his MBA.


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D.A.
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  Message Not Read  RE: JB
   Posted: 1/8/2018 10:01:48 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
D.A. wrote:
allen wrote:
L.C. wrote:
At this point his dream of playing in the NFL, while not extinguished, is not as likely as it no doubt seemed three years ago. Meanwhile, to his credit, come May he will have an OSU diploma in only three years, with the upcoming opportunity of two paid-for years in graduate school. I would think that a factor in his decision would also be the quality of the graduate school. I don't know his field of study, but suppose he'd like to have an MBA, in which case, why wouldn't he consider, say, Harvard, even though it is an FCS school?


Does Harvard give out football scholarships?


BtC and I got into a tete a tete about this a couple of years back, so let me give you the technically correct answer: Harvard sponsors forty men's and women's intercollegiate athletics programs, and they recruit student athletes specifically to compete on those teams. However, technically speaking, the scholarships they provide their student athletes are from the academic budget. They are not an athletics expense.



I think that this is very much like what D3 schools do. They don't have athletic scholarship. However, athletes seem to be given preferences, in some cases, for the academic scholarships that are available. At least that's how it worked back in the day at Wittenberg where I attended for my first semester of college and one of my room mates was on the football. I also remember that the football coach came to the men's dorm early in the fall and asked if any of the new students had played high school football and would like to come out for the team. I don't think THAT happens at Harvard! The coach's name was classical football coaches name -- Bull Edwards!

Here is a New York Times article on how the Ivies use their foundation dollars to fund aid to student athletes, and how they have used it as a competitive advantage in recruiting athletes: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/sports/financial-aid-ch... This is most evident in how Harvard and Yale men's hoops have significantly improved in recent years.

Great secondary benefit: your athletics budget looks a lot smaller when the student athlete's financial aid isn't hitting the ICA budget. Harvard also has 25 of their coach's salaries endowed at at least $2MM.


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allen
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  Message Not Read  RE: JB
   Posted: 1/8/2018 10:10:49 AM 
D.A. wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
D.A. wrote:
allen wrote:
L.C. wrote:
At this point his dream of playing in the NFL, while not extinguished, is not as likely as it no doubt seemed three years ago. Meanwhile, to his credit, come May he will have an OSU diploma in only three years, with the upcoming opportunity of two paid-for years in graduate school. I would think that a factor in his decision would also be the quality of the graduate school. I don't know his field of study, but suppose he'd like to have an MBA, in which case, why wouldn't he consider, say, Harvard, even though it is an FCS school?


Does Harvard give out football scholarships?


BtC and I got into a tete a tete about this a couple of years back, so let me give you the technically correct answer: Harvard sponsors forty men's and women's intercollegiate athletics programs, and they recruit student athletes specifically to compete on those teams. However, technically speaking, the scholarships they provide their student athletes are from the academic budget. They are not an athletics expense.



I think that this is very much like what D3 schools do. They don't have athletic scholarship. However, athletes seem to be given preferences, in some cases, for the academic scholarships that are available. At least that's how it worked back in the day at Wittenberg where I attended for my first semester of college and one of my room mates was on the football. I also remember that the football coach came to the men's dorm early in the fall and asked if any of the new students had played high school football and would like to come out for the team. I don't think THAT happens at Harvard! The coach's name was classical football coaches name -- Bull Edwards!

Here is a New York Times article on how the Ivies use their foundation dollars to fund aid to student athletes, and how they have used it as a competitive advantage in recruiting athletes: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/23/sports/financial-aid-ch... This is most evident in how Harvard and Yale men's hoops have significantly improved in recent years.

Great secondary benefit: your athletics budget looks a lot smaller when the student athlete's financial aid isn't hitting the ICA budget. Harvard also has 25 of their coach's salaries endowed at at least $2MM.


great article. They were ranked for a couple times under Tommy Amaker, they have to be giving out scholarships.


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BillyTheCat
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   Posted: 1/1/2019 5:47:41 PM 
Interesting 6 pages to look back on
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J.B.Hoy
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   Posted: 1/2/2019 1:38:35 PM 
I like this thread because it makes me feel like it's all about me...
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allen
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  Message Not Read  RE: JB
   Posted: 1/4/2019 7:44:14 PM 
It was great to see Burrow do well. He should have won the QB competition at OSU, he looked better than Haskins and Meyer was intentionally slow in his deliberatiions to keep both. When he picked LSU, I said what a horrible pick, they have a huge name and he should be able to win the job, Orgeron was on the hot seat, most of the wide receivers had transfered or were injured or suspended and the play-calling was worst than the early Albin years, but that young man has done well for himself and his bowl break out game will force them to look at passing more next year. LSU always recruited top 5 qbs and ruined them, but burrow has proven to be indestructible. When we look back at earlier posts, where e said he didnít even know where Athens was or mediocre fans saying that he was two big for Ohio, many payers said that his thread didnít belong here( silly defense mechanisms) this was just a way to deflect for our lack of belief in the program and our low expectations, but now we have a good qb so we can now talk about burrow and even Justin Fields. Kudos to Burrow and Nathan Rourke for making this possible. Letís believe and be relentless going forward.


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Buck.Cat
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   Posted: 1/5/2019 1:12:24 PM 
Great year for Burrow. Rooting for LSU to break Alabama's stranglehold on the SEC next year.
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