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Topic: RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Topic: RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

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LuckySparrow
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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/22/2017 10:21:23 AM

Great win. Did exactly what we should have done to this abysmal Kent State team. They are one of the worst teams I've seen in the MAC ever. And they have some good players on defense and RB. They should be better.

Rourke continues to run the option like a champ. He is a natural. I'm a bit disappointed in our WRs. Papi had a big play but we had some drops that need to be corrected. Mason Morgan was great in the RedZone and Mangen was a beast in run blocking as usual. RBs dominated. Fun 2nd half!

What a day at the Convo.....Wow!

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/22/2017 1:41:09 PM

I think I counted six straight 3&outs for Kent in the late third and early fourth quarters. Their total offense in the 2nd half had to be pretty pathetic.

Had to chuckle at the Kent D lineman who did the "I ate him up" gesture after stopping an Ohio runner for no gain when it was 41-3. One of our guys should've pointed to the scoreboard.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/22/2017 2:39:00 PM

LuckySparrow wrote:

Kent was really overplaying Rourke on the option and every time the late pitch made them pay.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/22/2017 3:04:29 PM

LuckySparrow wrote:

... this abysmal Kent State team. They are one of the worst teams I've seen in the MAC ever. ...

This curious thinking always fascinates me. The logic seems to be "if Ohio beat another team soundly, they must be one of the worst teams in history". And yet, Kent just won last week against a team that some labelled the obvious choice to win the East this year, so, while they may not be good, perhaps they are not bad on some epic scale.

Similarly, after Hamption lost to Ohio 59-0, some pronounced them "the worst team to ever strap on a uniform", but they have gone 5-1 since losing to Ohio, and that loss was in OT to 6-1 Monmouth. It's not impossible that they could end up in the FCS playoffs.
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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/22/2017 4:51:11 PM

L.C. wrote:

LuckySparrow wrote:

... this abysmal Kent State team. They are one of the worst teams I've seen in the MAC ever. ...

I know it sounds funny when we hung 48 on them but I don't think their defense is that bad. Their offense doesn't even look like an offense. It is hard for the defense to do anything when it is on the field most of the game with bad field position.

A funny thing is that in most of the 1-130 rankings out there Kansas and Massachusetts are rated behind ALL 12 MAC teams. KSU, BGSU, and BSU are all pretty bad but rarely bottom 10. Most of the bottom 10 are still SB and CUSA teams. At any rate we have played five teams that would be on the level of bottom 25 FBS teams (Hampton even at 5-2, Kansas, UMass, Bowling Green, and Kent) and Miami is bottom 25 in most cases. If we beat them we will be 7-2 but only 1-2 against teams with a heartbeat (Purdue, EMU, CMU) heading into a real test against a legit top 50 team who is probably better than Purdue. But we do now have a QB and will get Toledo at home. We won't be a big underdog.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/22/2017 5:41:47 PM

19540 attendance.

Based on paid attendance figures from the past and the number of butts in the seats I would have thought yesterday's paid number would have been higher.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/22/2017 10:41:11 PM

L.C. wrote:

Kent is not great, but they are not bad on a epic scale. After all they beat the mighty Howard Bison, something that UNLV couldn't accomplish.

Last Edited: 10/22/2017 10:42:18 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/23/2017 6:40:16 AM

Wasn't sure which thread to put this in.

Was watching the PSU game on Sat. night.

PSU actually treats their QB as one of their running backs.

Given Rourke's style,O.U.'s coaching staff may want to look at the "tape" of that game for some ideas.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/23/2017 10:36:45 AM

Jason Arkely, as always, knocks it out of the park with his Bobcat Blog Kent St. Wrap-up (free): http://www.athensmessenger.com/blogs/bobcat_blog/final-ohio-kent-state/article_6f8c49e4-d144-5bec-9ff3-886ece61dc31.html

Lots of good stuff, but how about these two:

Ohio has scored 96 points in its last two games despite substandard passing numbers and a poor third-down conversions percentage. Both were evident despite the blowout against Kent State. Ohio completed just 9 of 20 passes against the Flashes (45 percent) and converted just 1 of 9 on third downs (11.1 percent). In the last two games, Ohio has converted just 3 of 20 (15 percent) of its third downs.

Over the final 42 minutes of game time, the Flashes ran just ONE play on the Ohio side of the 50. That one play? It turned out to be a five-yard sack in the fourth quarter.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/23/2017 10:52:47 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

L.C. wrote:

+1
Kent is not great, but they are not bad on a epic scale. After all they beat the mighty Howard Bison, something that UNLV couldn't accomplish.

Kent is 1-3 in the MAC East. They play a 1-3 Bowling Green team at home next week. Assuming Ohio beats Miami next week (as we are favored to do) Kent would move into 3rd place in the MAC East.

Kent's 2017 Games so far:
#5 Clemson 56-3 Kent
Ohio 48-3 Kent
#19 Lousiville 42-3 Kent
NIU 24-3 Kent
Marshall 21-0 Kent
Buffalo 27-13 Kent
Kent 17-14 Miami
Kent 38-31 Howard

Kent isn't a good football team, but they may not even be the worst team in the division or the conference this season. The more plausible explanation is that this Ohio team is better than many are giving them credit for.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/23/2017 11:34:29 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

L.C. wrote:

+1
Kent is not great, but they are not bad on a epic scale. After all they beat the mighty Howard Bison, something that UNLV couldn't accomplish.

Kent is epically bad. C'mon. Anyone that has watched more than 20 seconds of them knows that.

That win over Miami was nice ... but let's remember, Miami is without their starting QB.

Billy Bahl might have engineered a win over UB last wknd ... but he was 0-6 as a starter last year for Miami.

Miami is a much different team with a healthy Ragland (let's hope he stays "not healthy" until next Wednesday)

That does NOT take anything away from Ohio's a**-whooping they put on Kent in the 2H last week ... but let's be honest ... would Ohio have pulverized them with Quinton Maxwell at QB? I think it still would've been a win ... but Ohio has molded their offense around Rourke and his ability to run and that has led to some impressive things. I don't think Maxwell would thrive in the offense that we see now. He struggled running it before it went more run heavy early in the year.

Losing your starting QB is rough ... especially in a league like the MAC where depth is an issue.

And yes ... I know Kent is without their starting QB (Holley) and the offense was geared around his ability to run .... so that doesn't help them.

But that was a baaaaaaad football team. They are, without question, the worst team in this league and I don't think it's even a debate.

Their defense might be considered okay ... but when your offense can't generate ANYTHING you'll get tired and run out of steam almost every week. That's what Ohio did to them Saturday.

Ohio was the much, much better team last Saturday ... and will be for quite some time. Kent is a total rebuild.

The real measure of Ohio will be next Tuesday vs. Miami (assuming Ragland is healthy) and on Nov. 8 vs. Toledo.

As usual, Ohio is good enough to beat the bad teams in the MAC .... good enough to win or lose vs. the average teams (see EMU & CMU) ... we just don't know what they are against the good teams yet (NIU, Toledo, WMU?) ... and I'm not sure what Akron is yet. I'd say they're above average right now ... not sure I'd say they're on the level of the good, even with the win at WMU.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/23/2017 2:58:58 PM

bshot44 wrote:

...
But that was a baaaaaaad football team. They are, without question, the worst team in this league and I don't think it's even a debate....

TeamRankings projects Kent with 3 wins this year, as opposed to 2.7 for Ball State, and 1.8 for BGSU. Teams in the running for the "worst MAC team ever" usually end with 0 wins, or at least, 0 conference wins. Kent is likely to end up with 2 conference wins since they will be favored against BG. Ball State may accomplish the "0 conference wins" this year unless they can beat Miami or Buffalo, which are their only legitimate chances for a win. Therefore Ball State would be my pick for "worst team in the league" this year.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/23/2017 3:33:39 PM

L.C. wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

...
But that was a baaaaaaad football team. They are, without question, the worst team in this league and I don't think it's even a debate....

Boy ... this is an all-timer. BG vs. Kent .... who will Vegas favor. I can't see how in the world you could ever favor Kent vs. any FBS team ... but if there is one, it might be BG?

I'm still perplexed that BG is as bad as they are? Strictly on the eye test vs. Ohio ... BG looked much more competent. Kent looked like a mess.

With that being said ... the game is at Kent (which we all know is worth 3 points in Vegas' eyes) ... so maybe Kent opens at -1 or -1.5?

I'll be curious to see what this line opens at.

Kent is 4-12 vs. BG straight-up since 2000.

As bad as BG is ... they've scored at least 17 points in every MAC game (23, 37, 30 & 17)

Kent hasn't scored more than 17 against ANY FBS team ... and in the MAC they have scored 3, 17, 3, & 13

They've only scored a TD in two games vs. FBS teams. TWO! They've only scored 3 TDs vs. FBS teams all season .... that's 7 games?!?!? That's unreal!

I just don't see how that inept team can be favored against anyone.

I don't know what the hell happened to Ball State. They were competitive in their first four games going 2-2 and scoring points.

But since starting MAC play, they have scored 3, 3 & 9 points. They've been a disaster.

I still think Ball would hammer both Kent and BG though. Sadly they don't play, so we'll never know.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/23/2017 4:28:22 PM

In the case of Kent, defense might not win championships, but it may help in the fight to stay out of the cellar! ;-)

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/23/2017 4:38:38 PM

L.C. wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

...
But that was a baaaaaaad football team. They are, without question, the worst team in this league and I don't think it's even a debate....

Sometimes you have to un plug the computer and look at the facts, Kent is horrid.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/23/2017 5:39:07 PM

I never said Kent was good. They are a typical bottom tier MAC team, just not an epically bad MAC team. They do have a MAC win, and might get another. The Kent versus BG game should be fascinating, featuring Kent's immovable offense versus BG's unstopping defense. One of them will win, and escape last place in the East, but both will end the year with a MAC win, unlike Ball State, and both would probably beat last year's Buffalo team, as well as a few other really bad MAC teams of the past that we can think of.

Since it's Miami week, this seems like a good place to honor the MAC team that most completely epitomized "suckage" of any MAC team of this Millenium. While a few schools like EMU, Buffalo, and UMass have had some bad teams, none of them can touch the 2013 Don Treadwell/Mike Bath Flowerhouse that went 0-12, stayed within a touchdown only once on the year (17-10 loss to 1-11 U.Mass), and lost their last 5 games by an average score of 42-9.
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Of course, Don Treadwell is now the offensive coordinator for this year's powerful Kent offense, so there is a connection.

Last Edited: 10/23/2017 8:10:50 PM by L.C.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/24/2017 11:41:46 AM

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/24/2017 12:02:39 PM

L.C. wrote:

Of course, Don Treadwell is now the offensive coordinator for this year's powerful Kent offense, so there is a connection.

I forgot about that little factoid. How does he keep getting jobs? Does "Offensive Coordinator/Interim Head Coach for 2010 Big Ten Co-Champ Michigan State Spartans" negate the rancidness of Fiami during his tenure?

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/27/2017 3:41:27 PM

What hasn't been brought up is that we beat Kent State 48-3, whereas Louisville beat them 42-3, and Clemson beat them 56-3. Thus, we would naturally beat Louisville by six if we were to face them and would hang with Clemson right to the end, losing by just a late touchdown.

Marshall, who only beat them 21-0, wouldn't even be a challenge for us.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/27/2017 10:52:45 PM

finnOhio wrote:

Reminds me of my freshman year at Wittenberg (before I transferred to OHIO). We used comparative scores to prove that WU could beat Notre Dame. It seems we needed a chain of about six or seven scores, not just one. But same principle!

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/29/2017 10:39:41 PM

L.C. wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

...
But that was a baaaaaaad football team. They are, without question, the worst team in this league and I don't think it's even a debate....

BG favored vs Kent (-1')

As I expected. If you've watched both teams, this shouldn't be that stunning.

Kent flat can't score ... and while their defense is somewhat respectable, they ain't the 85 Bears

Last Edited: 10/29/2017 10:42:11 PM by bshot44

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/29/2017 11:13:14 PM

TeamRanking shows Kent State with a 54.5% chance of winning, while ESPN shows Kent with a 51.4% chance. You've got to love that extra digit, implying accuracy in their projections. Regardless of who you believe, it's pretty much a coin flip.

Neither team is good, but meanwhile, (0-4 in the MAC) EMU is favored by 23.5 over hapless Ball State, who is on their way to giving the 2013 Miami team a run for worst MAC team of the Millennium.

Last Edited: 10/29/2017 11:20:29 PM by L.C.

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/30/2017 12:27:56 PM

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I know Ball State is NOT good ... but they are better than Kent State. Sorry ... we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this.

Ball has two wins ... including one over a pretty damn decent UAB team ... and a pretty competitive loss on the road at Illinois (who, yes is the worst B1G team)

But they are also down to their 4TH STRING QB .... that's a helluva lot to overcome.

Riley Neal has missed five straight games (starting QB) ... so that has a lot to do with their struggles, especially offensively since MAC play started.

Kent is flat out horrible ... they had to rally to beat Howard (a less-than-average FCS team ... that yes, I know beat UNLV) and they beat a Miami team that was playing with a 2nd string QB (which is still inexcusable if you're Miami)

But even before Nick Holley went down, this team was dreadful on offense. They had 223 yards passing in their first THREE games ... including 1 yard passing vs. Clemson. ONE. YARD.

I know they are technically down to a 3rd string QB in Bollas ... but they didn't show any life when they had their #1 QB running the show.

Honestly....this is a pretty stupid debate (hahaha!!) .... but I just can't, in good conscious, say anyone is worse than Kent in the MAC.

That 2013 Miami team was awful ... never scored more than 17 points in a game ... but I will say this ... they played UK, UC, Marshall and Illinois in non-conf games. No FCS creampuff that both Ball and Kent had on their schedule (and recorded wins against) this year.

Again, Kent has scored 3 offensive TDs vs. FBS competition this year THREE?!?!

Ball scored 51 on UAB in a win.

Hard for me to say Ball is overall worse than Kent when they scored more in their 4 non-conf games than Kent has all season.

I know Ball defense has been pretty terrible ... but look at the MAC games they've played .... WMU, Toledo, CMU and Akron

Compare that to Kent's Miami, Ohio, Buffalo and NIU. Not exactly any real firepower on offense other than Ohio in that group.

Respectfully disagree .... but Kent is THE WORST team in this league.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it! HA!

Last Edited: 10/30/2017 12:30:03 PM by bshot44

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/30/2017 2:05:45 PM

Please don't dis the Howard Bison. They are OHIO's home opener next fall. I watched their game against Morgan State and they dominated them. They are currently riding a three-game winning streak. There are some very interesting aspects of the OHIO-Howard game that will be revealed here sometime next summer. Stay tuned . . .

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RE: Official Game 8 Thread: Kent St.

Posted: 10/30/2017 3:34:45 PM

BG -2 now (at Kent)

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