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   Posted: 9/8/2017 3:18:58 PM 
As long as they are completing their degrees what difference does it really make? There are many paths in life to success. I think borna said it in an earlier post that our athletic alums seems to be doing quite well after they leave Athens. I commend any athlete (or any student for that matter) that gets any kind of degree. I will also say that I didn't learn a single thing in any classroom that had any real bearing on my life other than how to think my way out of a paper bag. That's the biggest thing that Ohio University taught me. So good for those four players that completed their BSS or RSS or whatever degree it was.
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   Posted: 9/8/2017 3:31:06 PM 
OUVan wrote:
As long as they are completing their degrees what difference does it really make? There are many paths in life to success. I think borna said it in an earlier post that our athletic alums seems to be doing quite well after they leave Athens. I commend any athlete (or any student for that matter) that gets any kind of degree. I will also say that I didn't learn a single thing in any classroom that had any real bearing on my life other than how to think my way out of a paper bag. That's the biggest thing that Ohio University taught me. So good for those four players that completed their BSS or RSS or whatever degree it was.


Amen

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   Posted: 9/9/2017 1:52:40 PM 
allen wrote:
OUVan wrote:
As long as they are completing their degrees what difference does it really make? There are many paths in life to success. I think borna said it in an earlier post that our athletic alums seems to be doing quite well after they leave Athens. I commend any athlete (or any student for that matter) that gets any kind of degree. I will also say that I didn't learn a single thing in any classroom that had any real bearing on my life other than how to think my way out of a paper bag. That's the biggest thing that Ohio University taught me. So good for those four players that completed their BSS or RSS or whatever degree it was.


Amen


I disagree.

No question,getting a degree is an accomplishment.
The question is,what value is that accomplishment after college ?

Some of our athletic alums have,as has been pointed out here, been successful.
But what percentage,compared to other students.

I was taught that the purpose of a degree was to prepare you for a career,not just to get a piece of paper to hang up on your wall.

The topic of the value of degrees athletes get was discussed in detail in an earlier thread.
I believe it was Real Sports that did a segment about degrees athletes got and how those degrees provided to be little, if any, benefit in the "real world".

Most of the people in the segment anticipated playing pro ball.
They paid little attention to academics and were "pushed through" the system in high school and college based on their athletic abilities.

When the pro's didn't pan out,for a variety of reasons, they ended up in,at best, menial jobs.
They all had degrees,but some of the people in the segment could hardly read.
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   Posted: 9/9/2017 5:50:19 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:


I was taught that the purpose of a degree was to prepare you for a career,not just to get a piece of paper to hang up on your wall.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/05/20/on...


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   Posted: 9/9/2017 7:24:40 PM 
RSBobcat wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:


I was taught that the purpose of a degree was to prepare you for a career,not just to get a piece of paper to hang up on your wall.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/05/20/on...




Thing is,the article doesn't give any breakdown between particular degrees and getting a job related to that degree.
It also doesn't give any timeline.So there's no way to tell if they are referring only to graduates straight out of school,or people who made career changes.
I didn't read the whole paper so maybe its in there.

I guess it comes down to what you went to college for and what your degree was in.


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   Posted: 9/9/2017 11:23:27 PM 
Been asking questions about this the last few days.

I think you are going to see the door closing on this. The BSS that did indeed start in OUr program during the Christian regime (the question I was asking up above) is being looked at across the NCAA as guys are getting done and graduating in less time then transferring with the rule for graduate transfers the way it is currently written . With the glut of guys who are finishing early and moving on the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

The unintended effect of the BSS is that a guy can actually finish in less time. If there is a redshirt for any reason he will be done way ahead of schedule and looking for a bigger ride if he is good enough. I think the situation will correct itself as coaches look at Academic progress/Summer school/redshirts and see what the effect is on their programs.

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   Posted: 9/10/2017 10:07:10 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
Been asking questions about this the last few days.

I think you are going to see the door closing on this. The BSS that did indeed start in OUr program during the Christian regime (the question I was asking up above) is being looked at across the NCAA as guys are getting done and graduating in less time then transferring with the rule for graduate transfers the way it is currently written . With the glut of guys who are finishing early and moving on the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

The unintended effect of the BSS is that a guy can actually finish in less time. If there is a redshirt for any reason he will be done way ahead of schedule and looking for a bigger ride if he is good enough. I think the situation will correct itself as coaches look at Academic progress/Summer school/redshirts and see what the effect is on their programs.



Interesting take on this. The one thing that is missing though is the discussion of the quality of the classes. But that's typical - we call them student athletes but in the end it's not really about the student but all about the sports program. You did a very good job of outlining that and stating that very succinctly.
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   Posted: 9/10/2017 11:08:58 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
Been asking questions about this the last few days.

I think you are going to see the door closing on this. The BSS that did indeed start in OUr program during the Christian regime (the question I was asking up above) is being looked at across the NCAA as guys are getting done and graduating in less time then transferring with the rule for graduate transfers the way it is currently written . With the glut of guys who are finishing early and moving on the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

The unintended effect of the BSS is that a guy can actually finish in less time. If there is a redshirt for any reason he will be done way ahead of schedule and looking for a bigger ride if he is good enough. I think the situation will correct itself as coaches look at Academic progress/Summer school/redshirts and see what the effect is on their programs.



Interesting take on this. The one thing that is missing though is the discussion of the quality of the classes. But that's typical - we call them student athletes but in the end it's not really about the student but all about the sports program. You did a very good job of outlining that and stating that very succinctly.

The BSS was not made for athletes, the NCAA is not looking into this. Please, let's stop. The catalog is on line, if you want to waste your energy, study it. Approximately 1000 student have BSS as a major. The BSS allows students to combine minors and create a tailored degree to certain fields. For instance, Landon cohen created a public relations major. Khari, and Wadly's deal with sports management, they will be going to grad school. Jaaron's is business related and he is going to the number 1 public university in the country. Corey Quallen is interning at Ohio. Nobody is doing anything about anything. The BSS is a brilliant concept. Businesses and institutions have to be flexible and agile. This is the wost consiracy ever. Jim Christian is having a rough enough time on his own, we don't need to put any undue harm on him or anybody else, we need to have understanding and wisdom.

Last Edited: 9/10/2017 11:32:54 AM by allen

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   Posted: 9/10/2017 11:25:31 AM 
Harvard and Yale offer specialized studies and they are among the best private universities in the world. The University of Michigan and Virginia also offer specialized studies and they are the two best public universities. Ohio is no different than them. Anyone who understands business or management knows that innovation, flexibility and agility are important. You can't think like a square, you want to think circular. http://lsa.umich.edu/lsa/academics/majors-minors.html#ind...
I love Yale's guidance, they should be the benchmark.
http://catalog.yale.edu/ycps/subjects-of-instruction/spec... /
Harvard even offers a Masters.
https://www.gse.harvard.edu/masters/specialized

Last Edited: 9/10/2017 11:29:26 AM by allen

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   Posted: 9/10/2017 8:47:31 PM 
allen wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
Been asking questions about this the last few days.

I think you are going to see the door closing on this. The BSS that did indeed start in OUr program during the Christian regime (the question I was asking up above) is being looked at across the NCAA as guys are getting done and graduating in less time then transferring with the rule for graduate transfers the way it is currently written . With the glut of guys who are finishing early and moving on the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

The unintended effect of the BSS is that a guy can actually finish in less time. If there is a redshirt for any reason he will be done way ahead of schedule and looking for a bigger ride if he is good enough. I think the situation will correct itself as coaches look at Academic progress/Summer school/redshirts and see what the effect is on their programs.



Interesting take on this. The one thing that is missing though is the discussion of the quality of the classes. But that's typical - we call them student athletes but in the end it's not really about the student but all about the sports program. You did a very good job of outlining that and stating that very succinctly.

The BSS was not made for athletes, the NCAA is not looking into this. Please, let's stop. The catalog is on line, if you want to waste your energy, study it. Approximately 1000 student have BSS as a major. The BSS allows students to combine minors and create a tailored degree to certain fields. For instance, Landon cohen created a public relations major. Khari, and Wadly's deal with sports management, they will be going to grad school. Jaaron's is business related and he is going to the number 1 public university in the country. Corey Quallen is interning at Ohio. Nobody is doing anything about anything. The BSS is a brilliant concept. Businesses and institutions have to be flexible and agile. This is the wost consiracy ever. Jim Christian is having a rough enough time on his own, we don't need to put any undue harm on him or anybody else, we need to have understanding and wisdom.



May not have been created for athletics, that does not mean it will not be abused by athletics.

And for the 41st time on this thread, the BSS has a place, but please do not try to compare the 50% rate of male athletes in our 3 main male sports to Harvard or Yale. No one here is buying that comparison.
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   Posted: 9/10/2017 9:22:42 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
allen wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
Been asking questions about this the last few days.

I think you are going to see the door closing on this. The BSS that did indeed start in OUr program during the Christian regime (the question I was asking up above) is being looked at across the NCAA as guys are getting done and graduating in less time then transferring with the rule for graduate transfers the way it is currently written . With the glut of guys who are finishing early and moving on the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

The unintended effect of the BSS is that a guy can actually finish in less time. If there is a redshirt for any reason he will be done way ahead of schedule and looking for a bigger ride if he is good enough. I think the situation will correct itself as coaches look at Academic progress/Summer school/redshirts and see what the effect is on their programs.



Interesting take on this. The one thing that is missing though is the discussion of the quality of the classes. But that's typical - we call them student athletes but in the end it's not really about the student but all about the sports program. You did a very good job of outlining that and stating that very succinctly.

The BSS was not made for athletes, the NCAA is not looking into this. Please, let's stop. The catalog is on line, if you want to waste your energy, study it. Approximately 1000 student have BSS as a major. The BSS allows students to combine minors and create a tailored degree to certain fields. For instance, Landon cohen created a public relations major. Khari, and Wadly's deal with sports management, they will be going to grad school. Jaaron's is business related and he is going to the number 1 public university in the country. Corey Quallen is interning at Ohio. Nobody is doing anything about anything. The BSS is a brilliant concept. Businesses and institutions have to be flexible and agile. This is the wost consiracy ever. Jim Christian is having a rough enough time on his own, we don't need to put any undue harm on him or anybody else, we need to have understanding and wisdom.



May not have been created for athletics, that does not mean it will not be abused by athletics.

And for the 41st time on this thread, the BSS has a place, but please do not try to compare the 50% rate of male athletes in our 3 main male sports to Harvard or Yale. No one here is buying that comparison.

I could agree if I saw 3 players major in the life of Michael Jackson or something crazy like that. BSS is legit and useful, the administration has to make sure that they sign off on appropriate degree tracts. The notion of the NCAA investigating BSS and coach FS telling a walk on to switch his major if he wants to play is absolutely nuts, especially when the best schools offer BSS and all 22 starters on the football team are currently majoring in traditional majors.

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   Posted: 9/10/2017 9:26:27 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
allen wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
bornacatfan wrote:
Been asking questions about this the last few days.

I think you are going to see the door closing on this. The BSS that did indeed start in OUr program during the Christian regime (the question I was asking up above) is being looked at across the NCAA as guys are getting done and graduating in less time then transferring with the rule for graduate transfers the way it is currently written . With the glut of guys who are finishing early and moving on the pendulum is swinging back the other way.

The unintended effect of the BSS is that a guy can actually finish in less time. If there is a redshirt for any reason he will be done way ahead of schedule and looking for a bigger ride if he is good enough. I think the situation will correct itself as coaches look at Academic progress/Summer school/redshirts and see what the effect is on their programs.



Interesting take on this. The one thing that is missing though is the discussion of the quality of the classes. But that's typical - we call them student athletes but in the end it's not really about the student but all about the sports program. You did a very good job of outlining that and stating that very succinctly.

The BSS was not made for athletes, the NCAA is not looking into this. Please, let's stop. The catalog is on line, if you want to waste your energy, study it. Approximately 1000 student have BSS as a major. The BSS allows students to combine minors and create a tailored degree to certain fields. For instance, Landon cohen created a public relations major. Khari, and Wadly's deal with sports management, they will be going to grad school. Jaaron's is business related and he is going to the number 1 public university in the country. Corey Quallen is interning at Ohio. Nobody is doing anything about anything. The BSS is a brilliant concept. Businesses and institutions have to be flexible and agile. This is the wost consiracy ever. Jim Christian is having a rough enough time on his own, we don't need to put any undue harm on him or anybody else, we need to have understanding and wisdom.



May not have been created for athletics, that does not mean it will not be abused by athletics.

And for the 41st time on this thread, the BSS has a place, but please do not try to compare the 50% rate of male athletes in our 3 main male sports to Harvard or Yale. No one here is buying that comparison.


Abused? Should we compare how many athletes from Ohio get some type of Sports Admin/Training etc type of degree vs the Ivy's? Who cares? They got a 4 yr higher education degree - put in 4 years (at least) of D1/college level time and commitment to sports AND education. Chances are/better than most freshmen enrollees they will be able to benefit themselves and contribute to the betterment of society for others with their experience and degrees- that's a great thing!


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   Posted: 9/10/2017 9:27:55 PM 
Allen: Why do you wilfully ignore the fact that the young man in question was NOT a walk-on? He was brought to Athens as a scholarship athlete. And the notion that he was pressured to pursue a BSS degree because it would be more rigorous is absurd.

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   Posted: 9/11/2017 12:32:53 AM 
allen wrote:

The BSS was not made for athletes, the NCAA is not looking into this. Please, let's stop. The catalog is on line, if you want to waste your energy, study it. Approximately 1000 student have BSS as a major. The BSS allows students to combine minors and create a tailored degree to certain fields. For instance, Landon cohen created a public relations major. Khari, and Wadly's deal with sports management, they will be going to grad school. Jaaron's is business related and he is going to the number 1 public university in the country. Corey Quallen is interning at Ohio. Nobody is doing anything about anything. The BSS is a brilliant concept. Businesses and institutions have to be flexible and agile. This is the wost consiracy ever. Jim Christian is having a rough enough time on his own, we don't need to put any undue harm on him or anybody else, we need to have understanding and wisdom.



Who said it was created for athletes?

Who said the NCAA is looking into this.....I said "it is being looked at across the NCAA".

Coaches who recruit an athlete and see him vanish with a completed degree in 3 years will most assuredly be looking at it. AD's who have to sign off on it will look at it. No one alluded to "The NCAA" looking at it.

IMHO those programs and coaches who are losing athletes will be looking at the course work and progress. My guess is OUr program will take a long hard look at this after losing a key player who fulfilled his requirements. Recruiting is hard enough, teambuilding is hard enough. I do not think setting your program and team up to lose players to graduating early is something that is going to be a good long term plan. I am happy for the kids who use this means to get a great degree as some here have attested to and experienced. That is not how we got there with the last 4 of 6. The pendulum on this will swing. Christian ushered in the era. Go back through the old rosters and skip to the end of each bio to check the majors. GO across the list of Goodman's graduate transfers and check the majors. Just one man's opinion that we will see this right itself not on the NCAA level but at the level of the programs losing the players.

The BSS is a pretty great concept and fills many niches. Still behooves Asministration to ensure that an OU degree has a meaning.... It will be interesting to see how this crop of athletes compares in the coming years in using their degrees to those who have walked before them and are already succeeding in life with career paths.

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   Posted: 9/11/2017 2:00:23 AM 
bornacatfan wrote:
allen wrote:

The BSS was not made for athletes, the NCAA is not looking into this. Please, let's stop. The catalog is on line, if you want to waste your energy, study it. Approximately 1000 student have BSS as a major. The BSS allows students to combine minors and create a tailored degree to certain fields. For instance, Landon cohen created a public relations major. Khari, and Wadly's deal with sports management, they will be going to grad school. Jaaron's is business related and he is going to the number 1 public university in the country. Corey Quallen is interning at Ohio. Nobody is doing anything about anything. The BSS is a brilliant concept. Businesses and institutions have to be flexible and agile. This is the wost consiracy ever. Jim Christian is having a rough enough time on his own, we don't need to put any undue harm on him or anybody else, we need to have understanding and wisdom.



Who said it was created for athletes?

Who said the NCAA is looking into this.....I said "it is being looked at across the NCAA".

Coaches who recruit an athlete and see him vanish with a completed degree in 3 years will most assuredly be looking at it. AD's who have to sign off on it will look at it. No one alluded to "The NCAA" looking at it.

IMHO those programs and coaches who are losing athletes will be looking at the course work and progress. My guess is OUr program will take a long hard look at this after losing a key player who fulfilled his requirements. Recruiting is hard enough, teambuilding is hard enough. I do not think setting your program and team up to lose players to graduating early is something that is going to be a good long term plan. I am happy for the kids who use this means to get a great degree as some here have attested to and experienced. That is not how we got there with the last 4 of 6. The pendulum on this will swing. Christian ushered in the era. Go back through the old rosters and skip to the end of each bio to check the majors. GO across the list of Goodman's graduate transfers and check the majors. Just one man's opinion that we will see this right itself not on the NCAA level but at the level of the programs losing the players.

The BSS is a pretty great concept and fills many niches. Still behooves Asministration to ensure that an OU degree has a meaning.... It will be interesting to see how this crop of athletes compares in the coming years in using their degrees to those who have walked before them and are already succeeding in life with career paths.


Does a BSS degree mean something?

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   Posted: 9/11/2017 9:57:15 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:

I disagree.

No question,getting a degree is an accomplishment.
The question is,what value is that accomplishment after college ?

Some of our athletic alums have,as has been pointed out here, been successful.
But what percentage,compared to other students.

I was taught that the purpose of a degree was to prepare you for a career,not just to get a piece of paper to hang up on your wall.

The topic of the value of degrees athletes get was discussed in detail in an earlier thread.
I believe it was Real Sports that did a segment about degrees athletes got and how those degrees provided to be little, if any, benefit in the "real world".

Most of the people in the segment anticipated playing pro ball.
They paid little attention to academics and were "pushed through" the system in high school and college based on their athletic abilities.

When the pro's didn't pan out,for a variety of reasons, they ended up in,at best, menial jobs.
They all had degrees,but some of the people in the segment could hardly read.




First off, are we supposed to read that in Iambic Pentameter? ;)

Obviously all degrees are not equal and some degrees are more career specific than others but it still takes a good amount of effort and dedication to complete any degree. And as I said I haven't used my degree one bit in my life and career. It got me in the door in my first job (low playing I might add) but everything since then has been a direct result of connections and getting recommended by people I had worked with in the past. I learned my industry hands-on. I would like to see the ages of the players that the Real Sports was based on and how long they had been in the work force because it takes time. And being older trying to enter the workforce makes it even tougher.

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   Posted: 9/11/2017 11:50:21 AM 
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First off, are we supposed to read that in Iambic Pentameter? ;)

Obviously all degrees are not equal and some degrees are more career specific than others but it still takes a good amount of effort and dedication to complete any degree. And as I said I haven't used my degree one bit in my life and career. It got me in the door in my first job (low playing I might add) but everything since then has been a direct result of connections and getting recommended by people I had worked with in the past. I learned my industry hands-on. I would like to see the ages of the players that the Real Sports was based on and how long they had been in the work force because it takes time. And being older trying to enter the workforce makes it even tougher.



As I posted,there is no question that,in most cases, getting any degree requires a certain amount of effort and dedication.

The question is,of how much use is that degree in the "real world".

The people on the Real Sports segment said that they were under the impression that their degree would help them get a job.
They didn't.
To be fair to the schools they attended,they showed some of the classes these guys took.
It didn't take a rocket scientist to realize that the courses were created to keep the athletes eligible.

In your case,you were able to pursue a career where your degree wasn't needed.

I would be interested to know if you pursued your degree with the intent of using it for your career.

In my case,you can't take the exams needed to be a Licensed Engineer without a minimum of a Bachelors Degree in engineering.So I pursued a degree for that career path.
Same with my Masters.

As far as the ages of the former athletes on the Real Sports segment,as I recall,the people they interviewed were in their late 20's.

Regardless of their age,when a person is able to get a degree,any degree,and can hardly read,something is wrong.

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   Posted: 9/11/2017 3:45:28 PM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Regardless of their age, when a person is able to get a degree, any degree, and can hardly read, something is wrong.


A national disgrace. I agree entirely. This happens way too often. It needs to stop.



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   Posted: 9/11/2017 5:54:35 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
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Regardless of their age, when a person is able to get a degree, any degree, and can hardly read, something is wrong.


A national disgrace. I agree entirely. This happens way too often. It needs to stop.





It's obvious that all of our athletes can read, they all had to get the required scores on their ACT or the SAT exams. Upon admission our athletes should be afforded the same rights as our regular student population; they should be able to pick their own majors without being unfairly scrutinized. Ohio is not just passing people as evidenced by our attrition. Dylan Reda and Jeff Christian were forced to transfer for academic reasons and both of them were potential starters. There are schools like Walden that will give a degree to anyone, but Ohio has a fairly rigorous admissions process compared to other MAC schools and they usually tend uphold their higher standards as well.

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   Posted: 9/11/2017 8:54:59 PM 
allen wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Regardless of their age, when a person is able to get a degree, any degree, and can hardly read, something is wrong.


A national disgrace. I agree entirely. This happens way too often. It needs to stop.





It's obvious that all of our athletes can read, they all had to get the required scores on their ACT or the SAT exams. Upon admission our athletes should be afforded the same rights as our regular student population; they should be able to pick their own majors without being unfairly scrutinized. Ohio is not just passing people as evidenced by our attrition. Dylan Reda and Jeff Christian were forced to transfer for academic reasons and both of them were potential starters. There are schools like Walden that will give a degree to anyone, but Ohio has a fairly rigorous admissions process compared to other MAC schools and they usually tend uphold their higher standards as well.


What made you think that either rpbobcat or I was referring to OHIO? We were talking about the national scene. I agree that OHIO does a better job in this regard than the national norm. We are not exempt from criticism, but were aren't the focus of it either.

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   Posted: 9/12/2017 2:45:05 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
allen wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
rpbobcat wrote:
Regardless of their age, when a person is able to get a degree, any degree, and can hardly read, something is wrong.


A national disgrace. I agree entirely. This happens way too often. It needs to stop.





It's obvious that all of our athletes can read, they all had to get the required scores on their ACT or the SAT exams. Upon admission our athletes should be afforded the same rights as our regular student population; they should be able to pick their own majors without being unfairly scrutinized. Ohio is not just passing people as evidenced by our attrition. Dylan Reda and Jeff Christian were forced to transfer for academic reasons and both of them were potential starters. There are schools like Walden that will give a degree to anyone, but Ohio has a fairly rigorous admissions process compared to other MAC schools and they usually tend uphold their higher standards as well.


What made you think that either rpbobcat or I was referring to OHIO? We were talking about the national scene. I agree that OHIO does a better job in this regard than the national norm. We are not exempt from criticism, but were aren't the focus of it either.

Ok, thank you for the clarification. You guys are right.

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   Posted: 9/12/2017 7:46:17 AM 
Been meaning to ask this for a while.

Allen's last post provided the perfect segue.

Looking at the time of his post,as well as posts from other people,
doesn't anyone on here sleep ?
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   Posted: 9/12/2017 9:28:02 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Been meaning to ask this for a while.

Allen's last post provided the perfect segue.

Looking at the time of his post,as well as posts from other people,
doesn't anyone on here sleep ?


Ha....high achieving people strike when the urges hit. Already been up and had 2 meetings at the hospital. Sign in prior to heading back to the office.

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   Posted: 9/26/2017 10:55:36 AM 
I have a Bachelor of Specialized Studies degree. My adviser recommended it to get the best out of two different schools.

For me, I was required to take the same coursework for both schools that were required of other "traditional" students. In fact, in some ways, it was more difficult because you had so many 300-level courses to complete. I *had* to stay an extra two quarters to finish.

I've never had this BSS degree questioned by an employer and the skills I learned from two different schools at OU I firmly believe gave me an advantage.

I don't think it is fair to look at a BSS degree from Ohio University any lesser than any other Bachelor-level degree.
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   Posted: 12/14/2017 12:37:07 PM 
Way to go Cats. So much for FS forcing people to major in specialized studies.
http://ohiobobcats.com/sports/fball/2017-18/releases/2017...

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