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Topic: RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Topic: RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/25/2017 10:30:58 AM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

allen wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

allen wrote:

It's a win for the young man, he expected to go D2 and get playing time and Saul saved him. It is a one year rental. If we get Tone back, it doesn't look that bad. If we lose Tone and Jaaron then the move stinks.
Mickle, who still is green offensively (despite being a Senior)," and is "apparently going to take a step down from Division I in search or more playing time.

Unless I missed it, I don't see anywhere where he expected to go to D2. At least no one was quoted as saying that. Seems a little speculative in the article in the Naples paper to me.

What is a step down from division 1? Reread the quote
Division 2
Division 3
NAIA

I think the point he is making is that the step down comment was made by the journalist not the coach.

Coach Dooley wrote:

Essentially, he wants a lot more playing time," Dooley said. "He's going to graduate and try to find a place where he can get some more playing time. As a senior, I clearly understand that.

The coach said he's looking for more playing time and the journalist spun it as such. Maybe the journalist knows more than we do, not sure.

Exactly what I was trying to get across. Coach Dooley, and Kevin Mickle were never quoted as saying anything of the sort in the article. It's an assumption made by the writer. Just like he's assuming that every single incoming recruit they're bringing to FGCU is "rising". I put little credence in this guy's writing for those two reasons.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/25/2017 11:10:47 AM

OU_Country wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

He is not being asked to replace Campbell he is being asked to replace what we expected from Taylor last year. A grad transfer good enough to replace Campbell would not be coming to Ohio.

Bingo. Let's get a P5 grad transfer, that will start, to magically come to Ohio. The trend for that to happen is becoming less and less likely every year. My perception is, that sort of player generally is going to stay in the money conferences.

Or head overseas

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/25/2017 12:09:59 PM

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He is not being asked to replace Campbell he is being asked to replace what we expected from Taylor last year. A grad transfer good enough to replace Campbell would not be coming to Ohio.

What exactly did we expect from Taylor last year? He was going to be the 3rd or 4th big man in the rotation and was until Campbell got hurt. I will take 4ppg and 5rpg from my 3rd or 4th big man all day.

Now this fall, we will obviously need him to step up with Campbell gone and only he and Carter returning.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/25/2017 12:19:43 PM

crackerbaby00 wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

He is not being asked to replace Campbell he is being asked to replace what we expected from Taylor last year. A grad transfer good enough to replace Campbell would not be coming to Ohio.

And I would peg Mickle those type numbers (4 & 5). Taylor will not put up Campbell numbers but I expect carter to progress more towards those numbers. Taylor needs to get to 8&8 as he steps in. That replaces most of KK numbers and exceeds his rebounding. Based on his minutes those numbers are achievable. Block and Dartis need to continue to improve and must be more consistent, especially Dartis and his shot. Hole is obviously point guard but the two coming in are both studs. So we will see. Lasiter will either start at sg (moving Dartis to point) or remain 6th man. One of the incoming bigs must provide depth.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/25/2017 1:34:35 PM

cc-cat wrote:

crackerbaby00 wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

He is not being asked to replace Campbell he is being asked to replace what we expected from Taylor last year. A grad transfer good enough to replace Campbell would not be coming to Ohio.

Sorry...I think I mis-read your post. I thought you were being critical of what we got from Taylor this year. My mistake

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/26/2017 12:01:16 AM

OU_Country wrote:

Just like he's assuming that every single incoming recruit they're bringing to FGCU is "rising". I put little credence in this guy's writing for those two reasons.

I think you misunderstood the use of the term "rising". It's just a term to refer to a player between classes. Instead of saying he's "going to be a junior next year" or "he was a sophomore last year" you say he's a "rising sophomore". Borna explained it on the last page -

bornacatfan wrote:

That term showed up about 6 -8 years ago in recruiting circles and started gaining traction to the point where now we say rising instead of soph or frosh to be...in Europe they use U15 U16 or similar because they go by age whereas in America guys like Bill Walker and OJ Mayo got held back to compete against guys younger than themselves for purposes of recruiting....OJ , though a year older (nov 5 87) competed in the HS class of 07 was older than 06 players Greg Oden Jan 22 1988 and Kevin Durant Sept 1988 Chase Budinger may 22 1988 and most of the Rivals Top 150. At 29-30 years old not much diffetence but from age 12-19 each year of maturity is a quantum leap.

"rising" in american recruiting applies to classes whereas before the phenomenon of holding kids back and trying to define where a kid is in the recruiting process it was an adjective as in "rising" star or "rising" talent.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/26/2017 7:31:58 AM

For anyone who does not want to wade back through the thread before they feel compelled to jump in with an opinion. The paragraph in question http://www.naplesnews.com/story/sports/college/fgcu/2017/... /

Dana Caldwell wrote:

This paves the way for the Eagles to bring in rising junior shooting guard Dinero Mercurius of Daytona State, who would be eligible immediately, rising sophomore point guard Keon Clergeot, who is transferring from Memphis, and rising junior point guard Laquincy Rideau, who's transferring from Gardner-Webb. If FGCU can land them, of course.

Last Edited: 4/26/2017 7:33:56 AM by bornacatfan

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/26/2017 11:50:03 AM

GraffZ06 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Just like he's assuming that every single incoming recruit they're bringing to FGCU is "rising". I put little credence in this guy's writing for those two reasons.

bornacatfan wrote:

Thanks for "re-sharing", if you will. I guess I didn't get the feeling that he meant that with the use of "rising" in the article. Regardless, I wasn't willing to give a lot of credence to the article as a source of info on Mickle.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/26/2017 12:04:22 PM

Rising alays means what class the player is going to be in next year.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/26/2017 1:13:28 PM

FWIW, Saul saw Mickle play us 2 years ago I think. He played 13 minutes, no points, 3 fouls.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/27/2017 12:18:50 PM

Why did he leave FGCU?

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/27/2017 10:35:24 PM

Jason Arkley just tweeted "Mickle is a solid guy, will help defensively inside and as a pin-and-seal guy. Will be an immediate part of the rotation."

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 3:15:16 AM

We will make him a great player to justify the decision. FGCU 10th man to Ohio, will have an instant impact. Here is his highlight video. We have creating morals since Run and them was screaming Here We go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWmG4QQACoA

Last Edited: 4/28/2017 3:17:18 AM by allen

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 8:03:18 AM

I usually skip over the posts since we do not have an ignore button but this was at the bottom and caught my eye as I was clicking to read other topics... I am trying to figure out what this sentence means.....

allen wrote:

\. We have creating morals since Run and them was screaming

I try to avoid grammar fauz pas since it has been deemed racist and a domain one of my friends claims is a domain of "uwytpipl" on his FB feed but I truly can not understand the quoted sentence. I get that you do not like the recruit and his game and will do everything to run it into the ground before he sets a foot on campus but if you are gathering an audience to read this it would seem that (I am only assuming U R ) an OU grad would construct a minimally readable, coherent and communicative sentence that conveys a though. I know that full well I may be out of the mainstream vernacular but I suspect if I run this by my boys and their friends not too many gonna figger it out. I suspect Run is the noun, have not found the verb unless it is creating and I really do not know what context and how MORALS is being used.... and I sure can't figure out anything besides the thought is to denigrate the choice to take this kid.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 8:07:54 AM

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Not sure what the heck that is supposed to mean. You do know that role players add value as well, right? He doesn't have to be a great player to add value. All he has to do is perform a role that we need. Although, I have to admit that watching your team with a 14 man rotation filled with five star recruits who can take it to the hole like a man would be fun to watch.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 9:00:55 AM

I am not asking for 14 five stars, let's not take other team's that we beat 10th man and spin it like it is a wonderful pickup. It was a rushed, easy pickup, hopefully it works out. We lost Tone and Jaaron and that's what we come up with. I hope he does well, sorry that I am somewhat skeptical

Last Edited: 4/28/2017 9:47:02 AM by allen

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 10:34:08 AM

colobobcat66 wrote:

FWIW, Saul saw Mickle play us 2 years ago I think. He played 13 minutes, no points, 3 fouls.

FWIW, also in that game, Wadley Mompremier had 12 points/12 boards.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 12:19:20 PM

And Allen tries to claim how damaging it is to talk bad about recruits on the football board, but feels free to trash them over here, when neither is acceptable.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 12:20:56 PM

allen wrote:

But you go beat off when the third string TE from Michigan comes to OHIO? There is a lot of consistency in that line of thought.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 12:49:02 PM

allen wrote:

In evaluating whether we have replaced Campbell and Simmons, shouldn't we look at the entire recruiting class, not just Mickle?

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 4:00:02 PM

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allen wrote:

But you go beat off when the third string TE from Michigan comes to OHIO? There is a lot of consistency in that line of thought.

First of all, Bcat 2 was the one that fell in love with the U of Mich TE. Me and you were in agreement, the post is below. Where me and you disagreed was whether Basham was versatile or not, in which case you cited a fake agent and told a huge lie. After being exposed, you made up some more lies, like me threatening you, when I would never threaten an inferior man or woman. I have and will continue to extend the hand of peace to you. The only way that we can have it is if you stop lying, or stop including me in your lies. It is a good thing that you don't really have a best friend agent that represents Tarell Basham because that could be a violation. It is great that TB proved that he was athletic and smart enough to play multiple positions, that made him more marketable and he should reap the reward of that tonight. We can't claim to be experts and hold our players to unlofty or mediocre expectations and then qualify it with opinions of fake or imaginary subject matter experts, the truth will come out. You are not the only fake expert, who has made false claims. As men and women, we don't like to be wrong and our pride will cause us to hold a position and even back it up with lies if we feel threatened. That sometimes natural defense machanism is our sin nature that we must fight. Some of us don't grow out of the imaginary friends stage, if if it makes you feel better, read Paul Lawrence Dunbar, we wear the mask.

allen wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
allen wrote:
I don't know if he will be a locker room leader since he will only have been here for one year. He could probably be a third down tight end or a backer. Poling is not going to say, you come from Michigan so you can lead our locker room.

Bcat2 wrote:
The young man graduated Michigan in four years as a student/athlete. He wants to continue his athletic endeavors as a graduate student at Ohio. He is following in the wake of Heitzman and Strobel. Me, I am willing to go way out on that limb and project him as one who will join with Poling as a team leader. No one, well maybe allen, expects Poling to handle the leadership of 100+ 18-23 year olds all by his lonesome. The more leader types in the locker room the better. The more old guys around who are where they are supposed to be, when they are supposed to be, doing what they are supposed to, the better. All those freshmen need to see their example. Better that than relying on coaches to chase them all down. I bet Poling is already missing Reid, Basham, Laseak, Sayles, Brown, Davis, Watson, Cooper, Smith and Strobel, to name only a few.

Stop crowning people because they went to a big school. He needs to come and fit in. We have 15 seniors leading winter practices and spring practice. You are already lining up for car washes and we don't know what kind of skill he has. If he went to Grand Valley State and started, we would not be having this conversation.

Billy the Cat:
I'd actually be more excited if he started and contributed on Grand Valley States roster than his role at Michigan

Last Edited: 4/28/2017 4:42:33 PM by allen

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 4:29:51 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

allen wrote:

In evaluating whether we have replaced Campbell and Simmons, shouldn't we look at the entire recruiting class, not just Mickle?

The whole class looks like it can be good in the future. The loss of Jaaron was unforseen, so we can't really expect to replace his production. Tone on the other hand, we knew we could be losing him and we all agreed that we needed a big that can rebound and block shots. Last year, we did the Deandre Jordan to bring Wadley back, he then redshirted and left and we rejoiced at his scholarship opening up. We then replaced him with a guy that he dominated , that is also three inches sorter and statistically inferior. Here are Wadley's stat's Played in a career-high 30 games, totaling a career-high 78 points (2.6 per game), a career-high 92 rebounds (3.1 per game) to rank fifth on the team, a career-high 34 blocks (1.1 per game) to rank second on the team, a career-high four steals (0.1 per game) and a career-high tying three assists (0.1 per game) over a career-high 272 minutes ... Shot a career-best 55.1 percent (27-of-49) from the field -- including a career-best 40.0 percent (2-of-5) from three-point range. I am very happy with Kirk, I think Butler will be able to play. AJ and Vander Plas should be good in the future. Vander Plas will have to settle into a 3 or a 4 and be able to defend either one of those positions which will be tough task in year 1. AJ will have to catch up to the speed of the game, he should be good in the next few years, I thought we were going to find a guy that could come in and contribute, I had no idea that we were looking at an undersized four on the end of another midmajor team's bench. I must admit that I was floored by the signing.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 4:52:33 PM

allen wrote:

I had no idea that we were looking at an undersized four on the end of another midmajor team's bench. I must admit that I was floored by the signing.

I think being "floored" is a wee bit much in this case allen. We added a role player PF for one year. And we can re-recruit with that scholarship next year. And we are bringing in 2 highly thought of PF recruits. And two more promising PG. Its all good bro.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 6:07:45 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

allen wrote:

I had no idea that we were looking at an undersized four on the end of another midmajor team's bench. I must admit that I was floored by the signing.

+1 We do get that schollie back next year, next time let's aim higher.

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RE: 2017 6'7" PF Kevin Mickle (Brooklyn, NY - Florida Gulf Coast) - Ohio Transfer

Posted: 4/28/2017 11:47:27 PM

GraffZ06 wrote:

OU_Country wrote:

Just like he's assuming that every single incoming recruit they're bringing to FGCU is "rising". I put little credence in this guy's writing for those two reasons.

bornacatfan wrote:

Not just in sports, but this has been a common expression for years. I think it was originally a British expression, but it's common in the USA as well:

From the link below: "Rising" sophomore (or junior or senior) is a common U.S. expression. It just means he'll be a sophomore when school resumes this fall. There's no self-promotion, it is just used by students during the summer break.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2840769

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