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GoCats105
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 3:49:13 PM 
L.C. wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
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If anything...Morris makes more sense. He's an under-the-radar guy that is a sports ad major that I'm guessing most P5 schools wouldn't waste time on for a one-year rental considering he couldn't start at UM even during the garbage Hoke years.

Not to mention the recent UM-Ohio grad transfer pipeline.
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I have no reason to believe that if Zaire considered Ohio that it would be impossible for him to choose Ohio. There are also good reasons he might choose another school. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

I do agree that Morris makes more sense, which is why I started a thread about him before this whole hoopla started, though it's down to page 3 now:
http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

In any case, it's important to remember that there is another QB that just enrolled from JUCO who will have 4 years to play 3, Nathan Rourke. He, like Zaire, has dreams of playing in the NFL, and believes he can get there from Ohio. Whoever the 1 year transfer is, they will have to beat out Rourke and Maxwell for the starting job. If they do, Rourke might redshirt, and Maxwell would be the backup.

As for Maxwell, I think he'll continue to improve, but he'll need to improve if he's going to take Ohio to a MACC. As for Rourke, I think he will have to adjust to the speed of Division 1, but he is a proven winner, and I do think that he has the potential to play in the NFL someday.

Ohio was a very good team this year, but they were a QB away from a MACC and a bowl win. That's why this matters.


Is it possible this whole thing could just be about Rourke enrolling in school to make it official? Or did that happen before this?
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 3:57:38 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
allen wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
My curiosity has finally gotten the best of me. I reached out to a friend of mine who works in the athletic department. I asked him if he knew any details about this topic. He wouldn't elaborate any further than "Ohio looks to be 'renting' a QB next year." To be clear, he didn't say who or if it's a done deal. But to me, that sounds like a transfer with one year of eligibility.


Sounds good... though I prefer Zaire over Morris...Morris could have his chance to shine and make the most of it.


When you look at the "reported" options these two have in terms of interested schools, Zaire has a much greater number, which would also make sense since he announced his intentions a while ago. But when I look at the list of those schools and compare them to Ohio, I am left wondering why in the world he would choose Ohio over almost any of them for numerous reasons? It would be a huge head scratcher IMO. I feel like Morris will end up at a MAC school. But if Zaire does too, well then he will have really fell off the deep end from what he was declaring and boasting about in 2015.

Why did Big Ben go to Miami?


That is completely talking apples and oranges. First of all, Big Ben wasn't nearly as highly rated as Zaire coming out of HS, not even close. In fact, most schools were even looking at him or offering him as a QB, they were looking at them as a TE. Second of all, Big Ben went to Miami and stayed at Miami for his career before leaving for the NFL. He didn't transfer to another school. He didn't go to Notre Dame and leave for a MAC school like Miami. Zaire was heavily rated and recruited and had a ton of offers an options and chose Notre Dame. He boasted about being the best QB in the nation and winning a national championship just over a year ago. Going from starting a game in 2016 for Notre Dame to starting a game in 2017 vs Hampton for Ohio is a world of difference. If Zaire actually ends up at Ohio over his list of options I think it says a lot.



Yup. Exactly. Big difference between going to a MAC school out of high school and transferring to one as a graduate transfer.
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 5:30:38 PM 
If either Morris or Zaire end up at Ohio, it is not going to be because of our football prowess. And that is not a knock against Frank, or the program, it is simply reality.

Morris is a Sports Ad major. He is smart enough to know his professional future is not on the field. Therefore, taking advantage of OUr Sports Ad grad program makes sense.

Zaire is a gradating from Notre Dame with a degree in Film, Television, and Film. Last I knew, we had a pretty good program ourselves. My guess is he also may realize that the NFL is a long-shot (after an undistinguished career at ND). This is not Russell Wilson taking a year at Wisky - totally different. Therefore, if he is looking at broadcasting as a future career, Ohio (and perhaps the Sports Ad program) also makes some sense.

If either hold out a dream of playing on Sunday's then OHIO provides limited value. If, like most all other Graduate Transfers, they see an opportunity to better prepare for their future and play the game they love, then OHIO can make an argument.

Bottom line, if either ends up here, it will be primarily for our academics...the horror!!!
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 7:23:12 PM 
allen wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
allen wrote:
Zaire would be monstrous. He could play right away and he would make us instant contenders. We could go undefeated during our nonconference schedule setting us up for a potential BCS bid. This would be a very wise decision. His only concern should be how will Ohio use his whole skill set. Make this happen, please close the deal. Malik please come to Ohio, save our program. This would be better than Cardale Jones. He needs to come and get on the phone and recruit for us. MONSTROUS



"Malik please come to Ohio, save our program." Right, every program needs a one year savior. Really, Ohio is better than it has been since WWII and needs "saved."

Zaire would be the starter and could lead Ohio to a BCS, which will bring a lot of eyes to himself. That would be heck of a national showcase, going to Wisconsin and losing to Michigan and Ohio State gets him no where. Going to Florida and losing to Alabama gets him no where. NC might be tantalizing, but we are the fast track to the BCS. He can have his own legacy and get showcased.



Dude, there is NO BCS, can you please at least learn this simple fact so you can sound half way intelligent!
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 7:26:22 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
My curiosity has finally gotten the best of me. I reached out to a friend of mine who works in the athletic department. I asked him if he knew any details about this topic. He wouldn't elaborate any further than "Ohio looks to be 'renting' a QB next year." To be clear, he didn't say who or if it's a done deal. But to me, that sounds like a transfer with one year of eligibility.


Sounds good... though I prefer Zaire over Morris...Morris could have his chance to shine and make the most of it.


When you look at the "reported" options these two have in terms of interested schools, Zaire has a much greater number, which would also make sense since he announced his intentions a while ago. But when I look at the list of those schools and compare them to Ohio, I am left wondering why in the world he would choose Ohio over almost any of them for numerous reasons? It would be a huge head scratcher IMO. I feel like Morris will end up at a MAC school. But if Zaire does too, well then he will have really fallen off the deep end from what he was declaring and boasting about in 2015.


Just because a player has a "list of schools", doesn't mean the schools have a list with that player.
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 8:44:18 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
allen wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
allen wrote:
Zaire would be monstrous. He could play right away and he would make us instant contenders. We could go undefeated during our nonconference schedule setting us up for a potential BCS bid. This would be a very wise decision. His only concern should be how will Ohio use his whole skill set. Make this happen, please close the deal. Malik please come to Ohio, save our program. This would be better than Cardale Jones. He needs to come and get on the phone and recruit for us. MONSTROUS



"Malik please come to Ohio, save our program." Right, every program needs a one year savior. Really, Ohio is better than it has been since WWII and needs "saved."

Zaire would be the starter and could lead Ohio to a BCS, which will bring a lot of eyes to himself. That would be heck of a national showcase, going to Wisconsin and losing to Michigan and Ohio State gets him no where. Going to Florida and losing to Alabama gets him no where. NC might be tantalizing, but we are the fast track to the BCS. He can have his own legacy and get showcased.



Dude, there is NO BCS, can you please at least learn this simple fact so you can sound half way intelligent!

The ultimate medi is talking about intelligence. There are BCS games, if you were not content with the lower bowls, you would know that there are 6 BCS games and one slot is allotted to a non power 5 conference school.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809833

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   Posted: 12/29/2016 8:49:50 PM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
allen wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
My curiosity has finally gotten the best of me. I reached out to a friend of mine who works in the athletic department. I asked him if he knew any details about this topic. He wouldn't elaborate any further than "Ohio looks to be 'renting' a QB next year." To be clear, he didn't say who or if it's a done deal. But to me, that sounds like a transfer with one year of eligibility.


Sounds good... though I prefer Zaire over Morris...Morris could have his chance to shine and make the most of it.


When you look at the "reported" options these two have in terms of interested schools, Zaire has a much greater number, which would also make sense since he announced his intentions a while ago. But when I look at the list of those schools and compare them to Ohio, I am left wondering why in the world he would choose Ohio over almost any of them for numerous reasons? It would be a huge head scratcher IMO. I feel like Morris will end up at a MAC school. But if Zaire does too, well then he will have really fell off the deep end from what he was declaring and boasting about in 2015.

Why did Big Ben go to Miami?


That is completely talking apples and oranges. First of all, Big Ben wasn't nearly as highly rated as Zaire coming out of HS, not even close. In fact, most schools were even looking at him or offering him as a QB, they were looking at them as a TE. Second of all, Big Ben went to Miami and stayed at Miami for his career before leaving for the NFL. He didn't transfer to another school. He didn't go to Notre Dame and leave for a MAC school like Miami. Zaire was heavily rated and recruited and had a ton of offers an options and chose Notre Dame. He boasted about being the best QB in the nation and winning a national championship just over a year ago. Going from starting a game in 2016 for Notre Dame to starting a game in 2017 vs Hampton for Ohio is a world of difference. If Zaire actually ends up at Ohio over his list of options I think it says a lot.


Michigan and Ohio State offered him as a QB.
This is from Big Ben's site. Read and stop making up your own facts. Ohio’s Division I Offensive Player of the Year and runner-up for Mr. Football honors in Ohio in 1999.Ben set state records by throwing for 4,041 yards and 54 touchdowns during his senior season. He also scored seven touchdowns. He was named league, district and Toledo Blade Player of the Year.

Findlay went 10-2 during 1999, advancing to second round of state playoffs before losing to Grove City. Ben played in both Ohio North-South and Ohio-Pennsylvania Big 33 All-Star games. He threw two touchdown passes, including the game-winner, in the North-South game. He was coached by Cliff Hite.

As for basketball, Ben averaged 26.5 points, nine rebounds and five assists per game as a senior point guard. He was a .300 hitter as a shortstop for Findlay’s baseball team.

Ben was named all-league and all-district performer in both basketball and baseball. He was the team captain in all three sports.

College Career –

Ben’s talents weren’t a secret to the Miami (Ohio) University staff, which invited him to its summer camp before his senior season. Ben performed well but left with no scholarship offer.

“We waited until he played a game,” Miami head coach Terry Hoeppner said. “I didn’t want to be the genius to offer this guy who never played quarterback a scholarship.”

In that first game, Ben threw six touchdowns. “I said, ‘That’s good enough for me,’” Hoeppner said.

Ohio State University also went after Ben, who set state high school records for yards (4,041) and touchdowns (54) playing in a high-powered offense similar to Miami’s.

In the end, Miami won. Ben saw a shot at being a four-year starter after then-No. 1 QB Mike Bath’s eligibility expired. “It came down to what would be comfortable for me and what felt right,” Ben said. “I prayed a lot about it, talked to my family about it, and it seemed like the right fit.”

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   Posted: 12/29/2016 9:03:45 PM 
allen wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
allen wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
My curiosity has finally gotten the best of me. I reached out to a friend of mine who works in the athletic department. I asked him if he knew any details about this topic. He wouldn't elaborate any further than "Ohio looks to be 'renting' a QB next year." To be clear, he didn't say who or if it's a done deal. But to me, that sounds like a transfer with one year of eligibility.


Sounds good... though I prefer Zaire over Morris...Morris could have his chance to shine and make the most of it.


When you look at the "reported" options these two have in terms of interested schools, Zaire has a much greater number, which would also make sense since he announced his intentions a while ago. But when I look at the list of those schools and compare them to Ohio, I am left wondering why in the world he would choose Ohio over almost any of them for numerous reasons? It would be a huge head scratcher IMO. I feel like Morris will end up at a MAC school. But if Zaire does too, well then he will have really fell off the deep end from what he was declaring and boasting about in 2015.

Why did Big Ben go to Miami?


That is completely talking apples and oranges. First of all, Big Ben wasn't nearly as highly rated as Zaire coming out of HS, not even close. In fact, most schools were even looking at him or offering him as a QB, they were looking at them as a TE. Second of all, Big Ben went to Miami and stayed at Miami for his career before leaving for the NFL. He didn't transfer to another school. He didn't go to Notre Dame and leave for a MAC school like Miami. Zaire was heavily rated and recruited and had a ton of offers an options and chose Notre Dame. He boasted about being the best QB in the nation and winning a national championship just over a year ago. Going from starting a game in 2016 for Notre Dame to starting a game in 2017 vs Hampton for Ohio is a world of difference. If Zaire actually ends up at Ohio over his list of options I think it says a lot.


Michigan and Ohio State offered him as a QB.
This is from Big Ben's site. Read and stop making up your own facts. Ohio’s Division I Offensive Player of the Year and runner-up for Mr. Football honors in Ohio in 1999.Ben set state records by throwing for 4,041 yards and 54 touchdowns during his senior season. He also scored seven touchdowns. He was named league, district and Toledo Blade Player of the Year.

Findlay went 10-2 during 1999, advancing to second round of state playoffs before losing to Grove City. Ben played in both Ohio North-South and Ohio-Pennsylvania Big 33 All-Star games. He threw two touchdown passes, including the game-winner, in the North-South game. He was coached by Cliff Hite.

As for basketball, Ben averaged 26.5 points, nine rebounds and five assists per game as a senior point guard. He was a .300 hitter as a shortstop for Findlay’s baseball team.

Ben was named all-league and all-district performer in both basketball and baseball. He was the team captain in all three sports.

College Career –

Ben’s talents weren’t a secret to the Miami (Ohio) University staff, which invited him to its summer camp before his senior season. Ben performed well but left with no scholarship offer.

“We waited until he played a game,” Miami head coach Terry Hoeppner said. “I didn’t want to be the genius to offer this guy who never played quarterback a scholarship.”

In that first game, Ben threw six touchdowns. “I said, ‘That’s good enough for me,’” Hoeppner said.

Ohio State University also went after Ben, who set state high school records for yards (4,041) and touchdowns (54) playing in a high-powered offense similar to Miami’s.

In the end, Miami won. Ben saw a shot at being a four-year starter after then-No. 1 QB Mike Bath’s eligibility expired. “It came down to what would be comfortable for me and what felt right,” Ben said. “I prayed a lot about it, talked to my family about it, and it seemed like the right fit.”


Hence the reason I used the word "MOST" schools and not "ALL" schools. Maybe you should read it a little more closely. And it is a fact that most schools were targeting him as a TE because of his size and frame. This is not news now and hasn't been for over 15 years. Clearly he panned out at QB in both college and the NFL. But the transparency of that now was NOT the case when he was coming out of high school looking to move on to the collegiate level.
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 9:08:52 PM 
you are right, OSU offered him after his junior year to play wide receiver, he gained 20-30 during his redshirt year at Miami. During his senior, OSU offered him as a QB, but Miami had a great offense and Hoepner closed the deal.
Here is some more info
Ben moved to wide receiver in his junior year, where he caught 57 balls for 757 yards. He became good friends with Mike Iriti, Tony's son and also a wideout on the team. They would eventually become one of Ohio’s top passing tandems.
Ben always envisioned himself as a quarterback and knew the job would be up for grabs in his senior season. That kept him interested in football. Otherwise he would have skipped his final year to concentrate on winning a Division-I hoops scholarship.
The summer before the 1999 season, Ben and some friends attended a summer camp on the campus of the University of Miami (Ohio). A RedHawks assistant spotted Ben tossing the ball around and alerted head coach Terry Hoeppner. He was furious that a local kid with that much talent did not appear on any recruiting sheets in their office until he discovered the young man had never taken a snap. Hoeppner made a note to follow Ben’s progress back in Findlay.
A few weeks later, Ben was named the starting quarterback for the Trojans. He spent the fall riddling enemy defenses. His years as a receiver had paid nice dividends, as he got to understand coverage schemes from the secondary. This not only helped him read defenses, it also taught him how receivers find seams and how much time they need to get open. It also didn’t hurt that Ben now stood 6-5. With the size to see over the pass rush, he still maintained the shiftiness he had developed in basketball. Despite his height. Ben juked tacklers as if he were a halfback. His experience at shortstop was beneficial, too—he was a strong passer on the run.
Ben could hardly believe how easily quarterbacking came to him. He threw for six touchdowns in his first start for Findlay. Miami of Ohio offered him a full scholarship the next day.
As the season progressed, every game was like a personal highlight film—Ben looked at enemy defenses and had his way with them down after down. Overall, the Trojans went 10-2, advancing to the second round of the state playoffs, where they lost to Grove City High School.
For the year, Ben passed for 4,041 yards and 54 touchdowns. Both marks set state records. Going into the season, Ben had assumed he would be playing college basketball in 2000. But his success on the gridiron convinced him that he might have a brighter future as a Division-I quarterback.
 
This was far from a consensus opinion, however. Because Ben was new to the position, college scouts were late in catching on to his talent. By the time big-time programs like Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State started sniffing around, Hoeppner had already sold Ben on the idea of suiting up for Miami of Ohio. He told the teen that he could be the next Chad Pennington, who had just finished a sterling career with Mid-America Conference rival Marshall. There, with Randy Moss, Pennington had put up incredible numbers.
http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Roeth/Roeth_bio.html
See you tell yourself a story that sounds plausible instead of reading. Listen to how Hoeppner sold him on going to Miami vs. 3 Big Ten teams.

Last Edited: 12/29/2016 9:20:07 PM by allen

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   Posted: 12/29/2016 9:18:57 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
L.C. wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
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If anything...Morris makes more sense. He's an under-the-radar guy that is a sports ad major that I'm guessing most P5 schools wouldn't waste time on for a one-year rental considering he couldn't start at UM even during the garbage Hoke years.

Not to mention the recent UM-Ohio grad transfer pipeline.
...

I have no reason to believe that if Zaire considered Ohio that it would be impossible for him to choose Ohio. There are also good reasons he might choose another school. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

I do agree that Morris makes more sense, which is why I started a thread about him before this whole hoopla started, though it's down to page 3 now:
http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa...

In any case, it's important to remember that there is another QB that just enrolled from JUCO who will have 4 years to play 3, Nathan Rourke. He, like Zaire, has dreams of playing in the NFL, and believes he can get there from Ohio. Whoever the 1 year transfer is, they will have to beat out Rourke and Maxwell for the starting job. If they do, Rourke might redshirt, and Maxwell would be the backup.

As for Maxwell, I think he'll continue to improve, but he'll need to improve if he's going to take Ohio to a MACC. As for Rourke, I think he will have to adjust to the speed of Division 1, but he is a proven winner, and I do think that he has the potential to play in the NFL someday.

Ohio was a very good team this year, but they were a QB away from a MACC and a bowl win. That's why this matters.


Is it possible this whole thing could just be about Rourke enrolling in school to make it official? Or did that happen before this?



I doubt it. Rourke tweeted out he would be in Athens in January. Whatever this "news" is about seemed to have happened on December 24. That's when the tweets started popping up that evening and the comment about "Christmas coming early."
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 9:57:50 PM 
cc-cat wrote:

If either hold out a dream of playing on Sunday's then OHIO provides limited value.


Would beg to differ on this note.

Ohio can basically offer a guaranteed starting QB position. Wisconsin or whoever would not, or be flat lying. With only 128 FBS teams total, there's probably less than 10/20 that could offer you a starting spot with little/no competition returning.

The MAC absolutely does produce NFL QBs. And Ohio produces WRs that at least get sniffs at the NFL(and with mediocre QBs). Maybe QBs as not much in the past 3/4, but if you look in the past 5/10 or so, it's proven that skilled ones get a shot in the league. Then it's up to you to show you have what it takes.

Regardless of who it is, they look at the possibilities of showcasing 13 games at Ohio vs a 'maybe situation' at another school, and gives us the QB we've all been hoping for. One can hope :)
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 10:03:31 PM 
mcbin wrote:
cc-cat wrote:

If either hold out a dream of playing on Sunday's then OHIO provides limited value.


Would beg to differ on this note.

Ohio can basically offer a guaranteed starting QB position. Wisconsin or whoever would not, or be flat lying. With only 128 FBS teams total, there's probably less than 10/20 that could offer you a starting spot with little/no competition returning.

The MAC absolutely does produce NFL QBs. And Ohio produces WRs that at least get sniffs at the NFL(and with mediocre QBs). Maybe QBs as not much in the past 3/4, but if you look in the past 5/10 or so, it's proven that skilled ones get a shot in the league. Then it's up to you to show you have what it takes.

Regardless of who it is, they look at the possibilities of showcasing 13 games at Ohio vs a 'maybe situation' at another school, and gives us the QB we've all been hoping for. One can hope :)


Well said Ben.
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 10:12:07 PM 
allen wrote:
you are right, OSU offered him after his junior year to play wide receiver, he gained 20-30 during his redshirt year at Miami. During his senior, OSU offered him as a QB, but Miami had a great offense and Hoepner closed the deal.
Here is some more info
Ben moved to wide receiver in his junior year, where he caught 57 balls for 757 yards. He became good friends with Mike Iriti, Tony's son and also a wideout on the team. They would eventually become one of Ohio’s top passing tandems.
Ben always envisioned himself as a quarterback and knew the job would be up for grabs in his senior season. That kept him interested in football. Otherwise he would have skipped his final year to concentrate on winning a Division-I hoops scholarship.
The summer before the 1999 season, Ben and some friends attended a summer camp on the campus of the University of Miami (Ohio). A RedHawks assistant spotted Ben tossing the ball around and alerted head coach Terry Hoeppner. He was furious that a local kid with that much talent did not appear on any recruiting sheets in their office until he discovered the young man had never taken a snap. Hoeppner made a note to follow Ben’s progress back in Findlay.
A few weeks later, Ben was named the starting quarterback for the Trojans. He spent the fall riddling enemy defenses. His years as a receiver had paid nice dividends, as he got to understand coverage schemes from the secondary. This not only helped him read defenses, it also taught him how receivers find seams and how much time they need to get open. It also didn’t hurt that Ben now stood 6-5. With the size to see over the pass rush, he still maintained the shiftiness he had developed in basketball. Despite his height. Ben juked tacklers as if he were a halfback. His experience at shortstop was beneficial, too—he was a strong passer on the run.
Ben could hardly believe how easily quarterbacking came to him. He threw for six touchdowns in his first start for Findlay. Miami of Ohio offered him a full scholarship the next day.
As the season progressed, every game was like a personal highlight film—Ben looked at enemy defenses and had his way with them down after down. Overall, the Trojans went 10-2, advancing to the second round of the state playoffs, where they lost to Grove City High School.
For the year, Ben passed for 4,041 yards and 54 touchdowns. Both marks set state records. Going into the season, Ben had assumed he would be playing college basketball in 2000. But his success on the gridiron convinced him that he might have a brighter future as a Division-I quarterback.
 
This was far from a consensus opinion, however. Because Ben was new to the position, college scouts were late in catching on to his talent. By the time big-time programs like Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State started sniffing around, Hoeppner had already sold Ben on the idea of suiting up for Miami of Ohio. He told the teen that he could be the next Chad Pennington, who had just finished a sterling career with Mid-America Conference rival Marshall. There, with Randy Moss, Pennington had put up incredible numbers.
http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Roeth/Roeth_bio.html
See you tell yourself a story that sounds plausible instead of reading. Listen to how Hoeppner sold him on going to Miami vs. 3 Big Ten teams.


So in short, you're saying you don't understand the difference between most and all. Well at least we got that out of the way...
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 10:36:57 PM 
I don't want to argue with you. You were wrong about the BCS and you are wrong about Big Ben. you take everything as an insult and are still holding grudges, so now we are playing semantics. The moral of the story is that we can get good recruits. I am glad the coaches are on these guys, they need to believe and be relentless, even if you won't be and they should keep you at bay, your doubt may rub off on them. Peace

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   Posted: 12/29/2016 11:14:36 PM 
Smh at some of this thread. If anyone associated with the Ohio Football program reads this, they have to be rolling on the floor.
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Jeff McKinney wrote:
Smh at some of this thread. If anyone associated with the Ohio Football program reads this, they have to be rolling on the floor.


Me thinks they've been rollin for a couple of years now.
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   Posted: 12/29/2016 11:38:25 PM 
The scripture says bad company corrupts good morals and also so as a man thinketh, so is he. That is why you don't share your ideals with everyone, doubters will trample upon them. We say lets get Malik Zaire, before we get him to visit, we have people. Why would he come here. I don't want anybody better than Quinton. Yap, yap yap and then the excuses. Let's get told no before we commit ourselves to failure. We all love Ohio, why wouldn't someone else?

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   Posted: 12/29/2016 11:51:15 PM 
Once they get to the promise land they can laugh all they want, I will laugh with them. Until then, nobody should feels as if they are so high that they would laugh. They came from Nebraska where they were expected to win.

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   Posted: 12/30/2016 12:36:16 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
allen wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
allen wrote:
Zaire would be monstrous. He could play right away and he would make us instant contenders. We could go undefeated during our nonconference schedule setting us up for a potential BCS bid. This would be a very wise decision. His only concern should be how will Ohio use his whole skill set. Make this happen, please close the deal. Malik please come to Ohio, save our program. This would be better than Cardale Jones. He needs to come and get on the phone and recruit for us. MONSTROUS



"Malik please come to Ohio, save our program." Right, every program needs a one year savior. Really, Ohio is better than it has been since WWII and needs "saved."

Zaire would be the starter and could lead Ohio to a BCS, which will bring a lot of eyes to himself. That would be heck of a national showcase, going to Wisconsin and losing to Michigan and Ohio State gets him no where. Going to Florida and losing to Alabama gets him no where. NC might be tantalizing, but we are the fast track to the BCS. He can have his own legacy and get showcased.



While I love the optimism....I find two flaws in this thinking

1) Do you really think Malik Zaire is good enough to lead Ohio to a CFP spot or a NY6 game? With Ohio's schedule?!?! Hampton, Kansas, Purdue and UMass??? Those four teams might combine to win 7 games (plus whatever Hampton wins in FCS). That is a pretty pitiful non-conf schedule. KU and Purdue could possibly be the worst two P5 teams in the country.

WMU barely made the NY6 (thanks for gagging Navy) and they were 13-0 with road wins at Northwestern and Illinois (both better than KU at home and at Purdue)

Ohio with Zaire at 13-0 better beat everyone by about 25 ppg to even have a prayer of cracking an NY6 game with that schedule.

2) If Zaire isn't "deciding" until April....why would Ohio coaches be jumping for joy on social media in December? I still stand by my earlier statement that if he was reportedly weighing a decision between Wisky, UNC and Baylor.....how the hell does Ohio fit into that equation???

If anything...Morris makes more sense. He's an under-the-radar guy that is a sports ad major that I'm guessing most P5 schools wouldn't waste time on for a one-year rental considering he couldn't start at UM even during the garbage Hoke years.

Not to mention the recent UM-Ohio grad transfer pipeline.

And considering UM hasn't played their bowl game yet, I'm guessing Morris is waiting until they are done before he announces to avoid it being any distraction/nonsense during bowl prep.

And for the record...even if Morris comes......who's he throwing too? Who's blocking for him? What RB will remain healthy to help shoulder the load? What LBs/DLs are going to stop the run on defense?

There are a lot of questions for 2017 for Ohio football......while a talented, older QB is a nice addition....it doesn't mask the many other potential potholes this team will encounter next season.



To get back to the point...to bring some reality focus back to the discussion.


A solid qb could start immediately at OHIO, which is not necessarily so at a school with a better schedule and competition. But the coaching at OHIO and the history of qb (non-)development is not a feature that would attract.

If you're a good-sized talent and believe in yourself, I can't believe that you come to OHIO with it's mediocre coaching and competition and record. Also, the 2nd smallest stadium in college D1 ball and a minor media market can't appeal.





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   Posted: 12/30/2016 1:45:54 AM 
allen, the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) died when the current four-team playoff started. At that time, the Access Bowl (this year the Cotton Bowl) was created for the top-rated G5 team to compete against a fairly high-ranked P5 team. I think what we have here is just a terminology question. What used to be the BCS Bowl game that in certain circumstances a non-BCS team could be invited to is now the Access Bowl that is guaranteed to have the highest-ranked G5 team versus a P5 team. It the same kind of setup (but with a guarantee now), but what used to be called BCS teams are now called P5 teams and the New Year's day bowls are now just called New Year's Day Bowls, and not BCS bowls because the BCS system is dead. So, you weren't wrong, per se, you were just using outdated terminology.

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   Posted: 12/30/2016 2:50:00 AM 
allen wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
allen wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
allen wrote:
Zaire would be monstrous. He could play right away and he would make us instant contenders. We could go undefeated during our nonconference schedule setting us up for a potential BCS bid. This would be a very wise decision. His only concern should be how will Ohio use his whole skill set. Make this happen, please close the deal. Malik please come to Ohio, save our program. This would be better than Cardale Jones. He needs to come and get on the phone and recruit for us. MONSTROUS



"Malik please come to Ohio, save our program." Right, every program needs a one year savior. Really, Ohio is better than it has been since WWII and needs "saved."

Zaire would be the starter and could lead Ohio to a BCS, which will bring a lot of eyes to himself. That would be heck of a national showcase, going to Wisconsin and losing to Michigan and Ohio State gets him no where. Going to Florida and losing to Alabama gets him no where. NC might be tantalizing, but we are the fast track to the BCS. He can have his own legacy and get showcased.



Dude, there is NO BCS, can you please at least learn this simple fact so you can sound half way intelligent!

The ultimate medi is talking about intelligence. There are BCS games, if you were not content with the lower bowls, you would know that there are 6 BCS games and one slot is allotted to a non power 5 conference school.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809833



Dude, that article is from 2013. BCS is dead. It's either CFP or NY6 (New Year's Six) Bowl games.
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   Posted: 12/30/2016 8:00:38 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
allen wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
allen wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
allen wrote:
Zaire would be monstrous. He could play right away and he would make us instant contenders. We could go undefeated during our nonconference schedule setting us up for a potential BCS bid. This would be a very wise decision. His only concern should be how will Ohio use his whole skill set. Make this happen, please close the deal. Malik please come to Ohio, save our program. This would be better than Cardale Jones. He needs to come and get on the phone and recruit for us. MONSTROUS



"Malik please come to Ohio, save our program." Right, every program needs a one year savior. Really, Ohio is better than it has been since WWII and needs "saved."

Zaire would be the starter and could lead Ohio to a BCS, which will bring a lot of eyes to himself. That would be heck of a national showcase, going to Wisconsin and losing to Michigan and Ohio State gets him no where. Going to Florida and losing to Alabama gets him no where. NC might be tantalizing, but we are the fast track to the BCS. He can have his own legacy and get showcased.



Dude, there is NO BCS, can you please at least learn this simple fact so you can sound half way intelligent!

The ultimate medi is talking about intelligence. There are BCS games, if you were not content with the lower bowls, you would know that there are 6 BCS games and one slot is allotted to a non power 5 conference school.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809833



Dude, that article is from 2013. BCS is dead. It's either CFP or NY6 (New Year's Six) Bowl games.


Thanks for posting that bshot so I didn't have to. But further explanation just in case.

BCS died when the Playoffs started. There are now only rotation bowls which are either part of the Playoff or the rest of the New Year's Six in any given year.

This year, the College Football Playoff includes the Peach Bowl and Fiesta Bowl. The New Year's Six (because of the six bowl games included in this rotation) rounds out with the Rose, Cotton, Orange and Sugar.

Next year, the Playoff will be the Rose and Sugar Bowls, with the Peach and Fiesta falling back into the rotation with the Cotton and Orange.

Ok? Ok.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_Football_Playoff



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   Posted: 12/30/2016 8:46:38 AM 
No disrespect intended, but who gives a #$%& what they call it. It changes every couple of years. Everybody knows what Allen is referring to. Why get caught up in the ESPN semantics? Hell, I still use D1-A and D1-AA because it's easy to understand, and nearly everyone gets it. No further explanation necessary.
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   Posted: 12/30/2016 8:55:58 AM 
Robert Fox wrote:
No disrespect intended, but who gives a #$%& what they call it. It changes every couple of years. Everybody knows what Allen is referring to. Why get caught up in the ESPN semantics? Hell, I still use D1-A and D1-AA because it's easy to understand, and nearly everyone gets it. No further explanation necessary.



So if Apple or Amazon all of a sudden changed their names to Melon and Congo you would still call them by the old names?

And it makes sense to call them by their correct names because the process for selection in these games is completely different.

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   Posted: 12/30/2016 9:18:31 AM 
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So if Apple or Amazon all of a sudden changed their names to Melon and Congo you would still call them by the old names?




I might. Especially if I thought it would drive pedantic dweebs crazy.
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