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   Posted: 12/6/2016 10:42:56 AM 
DelBobcat wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
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Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.


http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.



Since no one has risen to this bait, I'll chum the waters a bit. I went back another year to 2013. Since then, we are 3-14 against FBS teams that finished with a winning record. Less than one win per year over the last four years. Two of those wins are Marshall and one is this year's win at Toledo. This program's consistency is a mirage.


I don't want to do this but I have to do this.

All-time finish in Solich regime versus opponents who finished with a winning record: 19-45. Only one season did Ohio finish with a better than .500 record versus winning record opponents, in 2011.



We've had this discussion a million times. I don't find that statistic particularly useful. The vast majority of teams have losing records versus teams with winning records. That's how statistics work. The only way I would take this argument seriously is if someone actually took the time to show me how many teams have a winning record each year against winning teams. It can't be more than a handful. There are many more wins to be gained from 2-10 teams and 5-7 teams than there are from 11-1 teams.


Here's a couple over the last few years

Toledo (14-10 last four seasons)
WMU (9-15 last four seasons)
NIU (9-15 last four seasons)
BG (7-18 last four seasons)
Ohio (6-15 last four seasons)

And that WMU includes their 1-11 season and BGs 4-8 season.

WMU, Ohio and NIU are the only teams that have had same coaches during that stretch. WMU and NIU's both reflect career marks at respective schools for both Fleck and Carey (both only been there four years)

BG has had three coaches during that stretch....Toledo two coaches.

Ohio....one coach....who is in his 12th year.

Obvious that A) Ohio doesn't have same success...and B) they don't play nearly as good as schedule. Blame the East all you want....but BG plays relatively same conference schedule and they have 4 more games vs. better competition than Ohio during that stretch. That's one per season...and that's a lot considering you only really play three FBS schools out-of-conference each year.

Ohio doesn't have the same opportunity to get those wins vs. teams over .500 because they don't play them. That's a call to quit scheduling Texas State, New Mexico State, Idaho, etc. Challenge your team a little....but instead you're stacking your schedule to guarantee at least a 7-8 win season.

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   Posted: 12/6/2016 10:47:24 AM 
I don't think it is asking too much to aspire to have a program like Toledo's. Over the past four seasons, Toledo has not won a MACC (sorry Monroe!) but they've been among the elite year after year. Instead of Idaho, Kansas and New Mexico State, they played teams like Florida, Missouri, Cincinnati and BYU in their non-conference games. Despite that, their record against teams that finished with a winning record over the last four years is 13-10. They accomplished that by beating GOOD MAC teams and stealing a decent share of those tough non-conference games.

And, no Bcat2, our program is not better than theirs because we beat them this year.

Not all winning records are at all equal even within the same conference.
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   Posted: 12/6/2016 11:49:57 AM 
DelBobcat wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:

Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.


http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.



Since no one has risen to this bait, I'll chum the waters a bit. I went back another year to 2013. Since then, we are 3-14 against FBS teams that finished with a winning record. Less than one win per year over the last four years. Two of those wins are Marshall and one is this year's win at Toledo. This program's consistency is a mirage.


I don't want to do this but I have to do this.

All-time finish in Solich regime versus opponents who finished with a winning record: 19-45. Only one season did Ohio finish with a better than .500 record versus winning record opponents, in 2011.



We've had this discussion a million times. I don't find that statistic particularly useful. The vast majority of teams have losing records versus teams with winning records. That's how statistics work. The only way I would take this argument seriously is if someone actually took the time to show me how many teams have a winning record each year against winning teams. It can't be more than a handful. There are many more wins to be gained from 2-10 teams and 5-7 teams than there are from 11-1 teams.


Since you asked, I'm throwing Boise State out there as an example. Since they are the gold standard for non P5 programs and that's who Sports Illustrated compared Ohio's program rise to in 2012. Since 2005, which is only a chunk of their recent success but I'm using for comparison sakes to Solich teams: 54-22

Least we forget they weren't even an FBS program until 1996, although they had a good FCS (I-AA) program before that.

Let's try another program that's more comparable.

Northern Illinois, since 2005, in a tougher MAC West Division: 21-38. This includes a 2-10 season, something Ohio has never done.

Let's try another program that is somewhat comparable in terms of recruiting grounds, proximity to other power programs, town size, stadium size and bowl history.

Louisiana Tech, since 2005: 12-52

So Ohio isn't La Tech bad against winning teams, but they aren't Boise State great either. The question is, what kind of trend is Ohio currently in? Based on what we've seen recently it's been a leveling off or downward trend. Depending on what happens in 2017 will tell us a lot more.
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   Posted: 12/6/2016 11:58:22 AM 
bshot44 wrote:
DelBobcat wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:
bshot44 wrote:
Recovering Journalist wrote:

Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.


http://i.imgur.com/m4119Ba.gif

Pretty much how I picture this conversation going with folks who "ignore" that 2-10 mark.



Since no one has risen to this bait, I'll chum the waters a bit. I went back another year to 2013. Since then, we are 3-14 against FBS teams that finished with a winning record. Less than one win per year over the last four years. Two of those wins are Marshall and one is this year's win at Toledo. This program's consistency is a mirage.


I don't want to do this but I have to do this.

All-time finish in Solich regime versus opponents who finished with a winning record: 19-45. Only one season did Ohio finish with a better than .500 record versus winning record opponents, in 2011.



We've had this discussion a million times. I don't find that statistic particularly useful. The vast majority of teams have losing records versus teams with winning records. That's how statistics work. The only way I would take this argument seriously is if someone actually took the time to show me how many teams have a winning record each year against winning teams. It can't be more than a handful. There are many more wins to be gained from 2-10 teams and 5-7 teams than there are from 11-1 teams.


Here's a couple over the last few years

Toledo (14-10 last four seasons)
WMU (9-15 last four seasons)
NIU (9-15 last four seasons)
BG (7-18 last four seasons)
Ohio (6-15 last four seasons)

And that WMU includes their 1-11 season and BGs 4-8 season.

WMU, Ohio and NIU are the only teams that have had same coaches during that stretch. WMU and NIU's both reflect career marks at respective schools for both Fleck and Carey (both only been there four years)

BG has had three coaches during that stretch....Toledo two coaches.

Ohio....one coach....who is in his 12th year.

Obvious that A) Ohio doesn't have same success...and B) they don't play nearly as good as schedule. Blame the East all you want....but BG plays relatively same conference schedule and they have 4 more games vs. better competition than Ohio during that stretch. That's one per season...and that's a lot considering you only really play three FBS schools out-of-conference each year.

Ohio doesn't have the same opportunity to get those wins vs. teams over .500 because they don't play them. That's a call to quit scheduling Texas State, New Mexico State, Idaho, etc. Challenge your team a little....but instead you're stacking your schedule to guarantee at least a 7-8 win season.


Agreed. At first, I enjoyed the scheduling philosophy of the program because it gave the program what it desperately needed: easy wins. That builds the fan base, hence the records being broken in ticket sales. Now it's time to step it up.

Ohio's future schedules from 2017 to 2021 look great. Keep that up.
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   Posted: 12/6/2016 1:05:01 PM 
EXCELLENT

So without wasting space by repeating posts by BShot, GoCats and others (thank you for your input)...

We all agree the direction Schaus and Solish are taking our out-of-conference schedule is a the right path: Purdue, Kansas (in Peden), VA, Cincy, etc. over the next few years - Very good.

So in the last week, we have all agreed this year's team is not mediocre and has taken the program a step forward AND the OOC schedule is where we want it heading.

With a little bit of back and forth and listening we can realize 90% of us are on the same page on 90% of the issues.
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   Posted: 12/6/2016 1:14:42 PM 
cc-cat wrote:
EXCELLENT

So without wasting space by repeating posts by BShot, GoCats and others (thank you for your input)...

We all agree the direction Schaus and Solish are taking our out-of-conference schedule is a the right path: Purdue, Kansas (in Peden), VA, Cincy, etc. over the next few years - Very good.

So in the last week, we have all agreed this year's team is not mediocre and has taken the program a step forward AND the OOC schedule is where we want it heading.

With a little bit of back and forth and listening we can realize 90% of us are on the same page on 90% of the issues.


+1

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   Posted: 12/6/2016 1:31:51 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
cc-cat wrote:
EXCELLENT

So without wasting space by repeating posts by BShot, GoCats and others (thank you for your input)...

We all agree the direction Schaus and Solish are taking our out-of-conference schedule is a the right path: Purdue, Kansas (in Peden), VA, Cincy, etc. over the next few years - Very good.

So in the last week, we have all agreed this year's team is not mediocre and has taken the program a step forward AND the OOC schedule is where we want it heading.

With a little bit of back and forth and listening we can realize 90% of us are on the same page on 90% of the issues.


+1


Which is exactly why with little tweaks BY FRANK, this program could take another step. Look, I know Frank is loyal and I appreciate the honorable thing he's doing. But if you're a football coach who's job is teach young men how to be young men and how to win, you have to look within yourself and say "is this really the right fit for the program?"

I've never advocated firing Solich because I think he's earned the right to say when he's going to walk away. He and Grobe practically built this program from the ground up. But, he needs to make some changes internally. If he's not willing to, then there's a whole other problem within itself which I'm not qualified to make a decision on.
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   Posted: 12/6/2016 2:04:56 PM 
Agree ^^^^

We also all (on this board) agree we'd like to win a MACC. We'd all like to win 9, 10+ games a year. We'd all like to see Frank go out with his MACC. And we all agree Albin is an issue with the program.

Where there is friction is some think Frank will not achieve the points above and therefore should go NOW - fire him.

Some (on the other extreme) think he/we are right on the cusp and Frank, the program's savior, will take us to the promise land next year. And yes, for every no MACC poster there is a poster with a tattoo of Frank on their chest.

The reality is most think he has earned the right to go out on his terms. Almost all agree he is down to his last year or two (I personally thought this would be his last (for reason pertaining to OUr President).

But any argument/discussion on this board over Frank's tenure is just noise. Frank is not going anywhere right now - unless he decides to. No amount of posts will change that - and those that post such....know this. They know Schaus has no intention of cutting Frank loose. There is no business reason for Schaus to fire Frank.

With Frank on his final lap(s), Albin is not going anywhere either. No head coach would change his OC at the end of his run and no (worthwhile) OC would come on a rental basis - unless he was promised the head coaching job - and I don't see Schaus doing that.

So is this as "good as it gets?"

Hopefully not - and the players would concur. We all agree this year's team was a step above recent years. We also have a good group of skill players coming back and recent recruits are showing promise.





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   Posted: 12/6/2016 3:34:36 PM 
cc-cat wrote:

With Frank on his final lap(s), Albin is not going anywhere either. No head coach would change his OC at the end of his run and no (worthwhile) OC would come on a rental basis - unless he was promised the head coaching job - and I don't see Schaus doing that.

So is this as "good as it gets?"



The short, and sad answer to this is.....yes.

For now at least.

You are dead on with your thoughts on changing OCs at the end of his "term"

As much as I'd love to see Albin's ship sail....I think we are stuck with him as long as we're "stuck" with Frank.

I guess I'll just buckle in for another MAC East title run....an 8-4 season....and a trip to fill-in-blank-bowl vs. fill-in-the-blank Sun Belt team.

....but that doesn't eliminate my right to complain about this offense, ha!
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   Posted: 12/6/2016 3:50:49 PM 
bshot44 wrote:
cc-cat wrote:

With Frank on his final lap(s), Albin is not going anywhere either. No head coach would change his OC at the end of his run and no (worthwhile) OC would come on a rental basis - unless he was promised the head coaching job - and I don't see Schaus doing that.

So is this as "good as it gets?"



The short, and sad answer to this is.....yes.

For now at least.

You are dead on with your thoughts on changing OCs at the end of his "term"

As much as I'd love to see Albin's ship sail....I think we are stuck with him as long as we're "stuck" with Frank.

I guess I'll just buckle in for another MAC East title run....an 8-4 season....and a trip to fill-in-blank-bowl vs. fill-in-the-blank Sun Belt team.

....but that doesn't eliminate my right to complain about this offense, ha!


L.C. summed it up nicely. Ohio, playing a ranked Western team that was throttling teams by about 27 points per game, was "within 37 yards of a MACC."

That is a nice place from which to start 2017.

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   Posted: 12/6/2016 3:51:31 PM 
Agree with most of this. Solich is not going anywhere.


But to think that he's going to MACC would seem delusional. Hasn't done it in 12 years so is this likely in a 13th with no proven qb, the loss of our top two receivers and two first team All-MAC defenders?

The losses due to graduation extend. I don't have it at my fingertips but I'm pretty sure that this is the best All-MAC that there's been under Solich. If we don't duplicate that level of All-MAC play next year, will we fare better next year in the face of apparently rising Miami, BG, Akron, Beefs?

Not likely to happen. It may but odds would appear to be against it.



My goal is not to hire or fire any particular coach merely to be bothersome or fill any agenda other than this: Hire a coach who'll meet the prime goal, winning a MAC.

Not too much to ask from one of the, if not the, highest paid employee at The University.




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   Posted: 12/6/2016 4:13:17 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Agree with most of this. Solich is not going anywhere.


But to think that he's going to MACC would seem delusional. Hasn't done it in 12 years so is this likely in a 13th with no proven qb, the loss of our top two receivers and two first team All-MAC defenders?

The losses due to graduation extend. I don't have it at my fingertips but I'm pretty sure that this is the best All-MAC that there's been under Solich. If we don't duplicate that level of All-MAC play next year, will we fare better next year in the face of apparently rising Miami, BG, Akron, Beefs?

Not likely to happen. It may but odds would appear to be against it.



My goal is not to hire or fire any particular coach merely to be bothersome or fill any agenda other than this: Hire a coach who'll meet the prime goal, winning a MAC.

Not too much to ask from one of the, if not the, highest paid employee at The University.



If you could just see it your post is full of reasons to be very pleased. 2016, best All-MAC personnel under Solich. This is a fine indication that things are rising. Thank you for pointing that out. An indication that some good recruiting and coaching is happening at Ohio. You fear Miami, BG, Akron and Buffalo. Somehow I just don't think Poling, Moore, Smart, Aloese, Porter, Robbins, Berger, Ball, Hagan, Lowery, Pruehs, Wood, McCray, D. Brown, White, Mangen, Ouellette, Irons, Nelson, Belack, Harris and Odom share your fear. They have scoreboard on all four. Who do you suppose this year's grad transfer will be?

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   Posted: 12/6/2016 4:35:49 PM 
I'm in the distinct minority in this, but I don't think Frank will retire next year, or even the year after that. I think he'll continue to coach as long as his health will allow. At this point, I don't know of any major health issue that he might have. Football is Frank's life. His players are like his extended family. This is more true for Frank than any other coach that I'm familiar with. Frank is now the second oldest FBS coach. I would not be surprised if he sticks around until he's the oldest, and then works on breaking Amos Alonzo Stagg's record. Stagg was 84 when he retired as a head coach at Pacific. He then was associate head coach for another five years at Susquehanna. He then hung around as an assistant coach for about another five years after that. So, I propose that it's likely Frank will retire in 2028, when he's 87 an has clearly broken Stagg's record for year as a head coach. At that point Frank will have won eight MACCs and Monroe will be posting ten times a day that he has yet to win a national championship, though he got close in 2024, with a final four finish in the expanded 16-team playoffs. This will not satisfy, Monroe, though, as he has higher standards! ;-)

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   Posted: 12/6/2016 4:48:23 PM 
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I'm in the distinct minority in this, but I don't think Frank will retire next year, or even the year after that. I think he'll continue to coach as long as his health will allow. At this point, I don't know of any major health issue that he might have. Football is Frank's life. His players are like his extended family. This is more true for Frank than any other coach that I'm familiar with. Frank is now the second oldest FBS coach. I would not be surprised if he sticks around until he's the oldest, and then works on breaking Amos Alonzo Stagg's record. Stagg was 84 when he retired as a head coach at Pacific. He then was associate head coach for another five years at Susquehanna. He then hung around as an assistant coach for about another five years after that. So, I propose that it's likely Frank will retire in 2028, when he's 87 an has clearly broken Stagg's record for year as a head coach. At that point Frank will have won eight MACCs and Monroe will be posting ten times a day that he has yet to win a national championship, though he got close in 2024, with a final four finish in the expanded 16-team playoffs. This will not satisfy, Monroe, though, as he has higher standards! ;-)


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   Posted: 12/6/2016 6:11:42 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I'm in the distinct minority in this, but I don't think Frank will retire next year, or even the year after that. I think he'll continue to coach as long as his health will allow. At this point, I don't know of any major health issue that he might have. Football is Frank's life. His players are like his extended family. This is more true for Frank than any other coach that I'm familiar with. Frank is now the second oldest FBS coach. I would not be surprised if he sticks around until he's the oldest, and then works on breaking Amos Alonzo Stagg's record. Stagg was 84 when he retired as a head coach at Pacific. He then was associate head coach for another five years at Susquehanna. He then hung around as an assistant coach for about another five years after that. So, I propose that it's likely Frank will retire in 2028, when he's 87 an has clearly broken Stagg's record for year as a head coach. At that point Frank will have won eight MACCs and Monroe will be posting ten times a day that he has yet to win a national championship, though he got close in 2024, with a final four finish in the expanded 16-team playoffs. This will not satisfy, Monroe, though, as he has higher standards! ;-)


Frank.... ride as long as you want...love you man...my fave 150 fullback...provably the world's only ever 150 pound fullback...and he's a Nebraska legend...the state where I met my love.


About when was that, meeting your wife? I don't suppose you were ever in Memorial Stadium to see coach Solich as a player?

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   Posted: 12/6/2016 6:44:03 PM 
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Doc Bobcat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I'm in the distinct minority in this, but I don't think Frank will retire next year, or even the year after that. I think he'll continue to coach as long as his health will allow. At this point, I don't know of any major health issue that he might have. Football is Frank's life. His players are like his extended family. This is more true for Frank than any other coach that I'm familiar with. Frank is now the second oldest FBS coach. I would not be surprised if he sticks around until he's the oldest, and then works on breaking Amos Alonzo Stagg's record. Stagg was 84 when he retired as a head coach at Pacific. He then was associate head coach for another five years at Susquehanna. He then hung around as an assistant coach for about another five years after that. So, I propose that it's likely Frank will retire in 2028, when he's 87 an has clearly broken Stagg's record for year as a head coach. At that point Frank will have won eight MACCs and Monroe will be posting ten times a day that he has yet to win a national championship, though he got close in 2024, with a final four finish in the expanded 16-team playoffs. This will not satisfy, Monroe, though, as he has higher standards! ;-)


Frank.... ride as long as you want...love you man...my fave 150 fullback...provably the world's only ever 150 pound fullback...and he's a Nebraska legend...the state where I met my love.


About when was that, meeting your wife? I don't suppose you were ever in Memorial Stadium to see coach Solich as a player?



I first saw Frank on Sports Illustrated cover when I was I study hall at Portsmouth Clay and I did and still say damn...a 150 lb FB....oh he's an an Ohio boy...the love of my life is not my wife...maybe soon..but someone who asked me in October to go to Omaha to see her 92 year old mom for approval....68 year old guy needs 92 year old moms approval...I passed.

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   Posted: 12/6/2016 8:14:10 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I'm in the distinct minority in this, but I don't think Frank will retire next year, or even the year after that. I think he'll continue to coach as long as his health will allow. At this point, I don't know of any major health issue that he might have. Football is Frank's life. His players are like his extended family. This is more true for Frank than any other coach that I'm familiar with. Frank is now the second oldest FBS coach. I would not be surprised if he sticks around until he's the oldest, and then works on breaking Amos Alonzo Stagg's record. Stagg was 84 when he retired as a head coach at Pacific. He then was associate head coach for another five years at Susquehanna. He then hung around as an assistant coach for about another five years after that. So, I propose that it's likely Frank will retire in 2028, when he's 87 an has clearly broken Stagg's record for year as a head coach. At that point Frank will have won eight MACCs and Monroe will be posting ten times a day that he has yet to win a national championship, though he got close in 2024, with a final four finish in the expanded 16-team playoffs. This will not satisfy, Monroe, though, as he has higher standards! ;-)


Frank.... ride as long as you want...love you man...my fave 150 fullback...provably the world's only ever 150 pound fullback...and he's a Nebraska legend...the state where I met my love.


About when was that, meeting your wife? I don't suppose you were ever in Memorial Stadium to see coach Solich as a player?



I first saw Frank on Sports Illustrated cover when I was I study hall at Portsmouth Clay and I did and still say damn...a 150 lb FB....oh he's an an Ohio boy...the love of my life is not my wife...maybe soon..but someone who asked me in October to go to Omaha to see her 92 year old mom for approval....68 year old guy needs 92 year old moms approval...I passed.


Got it, well my mom-in-law, 87 yrs old, lives in Omaha. If you ever get there check out Stoysich's Meat Market, 52d & Q St. Third generation running a great place. Pick up a jar of their pickled polish.

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   Posted: 12/6/2016 8:39:26 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
I'm in the distinct minority in this, but I don't think Frank will retire next year, or even the year after that. I think he'll continue to coach as long as his health will allow. At this point, I don't know of any major health issue that he might have. Football is Frank's life. His players are like his extended family. This is more true for Frank than any other coach that I'm familiar with. Frank is now the second oldest FBS coach. I would not be surprised if he sticks around until he's the oldest, and then works on breaking Amos Alonzo Stagg's record. Stagg was 84 when he retired as a head coach at Pacific. He then was associate head coach for another five years at Susquehanna. He then hung around as an assistant coach for about another five years after that. So, I propose that it's likely Frank will retire in 2028, when he's 87 an has clearly broken Stagg's record for year as a head coach. At that point Frank will have won eight MACCs and Monroe will be posting ten times a day that he has yet to win a national championship, though he got close in 2024, with a final four finish in the expanded 16-team playoffs. This will not satisfy, Monroe, though, as he has higher standards! ;-)


Frank.... ride as long as you want...love you man...my fave 150 fullback...provably the world's only ever 150 pound fullback...and he's a Nebraska legend...the state where I met my love.


About when was that, meeting your wife? I don't suppose you were ever in Memorial Stadium to see coach Solich as a player?



I first saw Frank on Sports Illustrated cover when I was I study hall at Portsmouth Clay and I did and still say damn...a 150 lb FB....oh he's an an Ohio boy...the love of my life is not my wife...maybe soon..but someone who asked me in October to go to Omaha to see her 92 year old mom for approval....68 year old guy needs 92 year old moms approval...I passed.


Got it, well my mom-in-law, 87 yrs old, lives in Omaha. If you ever get there check out Stoysich's Meat Market, 52d & Q St. Third generation running a great place. Pick up a jar of their pickled polish.



My girlfriend says that's a great place....she's Irish/.Polish...if u go back try the 5 star Drover Steakhouse....she took me there on my birthday this year.
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   Posted: 12/6/2016 9:48:03 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:

Frank.... ride as long as you want...love you man...my fave 150 fullback...provably the world's only ever 150 pound fullback...and he's a Nebraska legend...the state where I met my love.


About when was that, meeting your wife? I don't suppose you were ever in Memorial Stadium to see coach Solich as a player?



I first saw Frank on Sports Illustrated cover when I was I study hall at Portsmouth Clay and I did and still say damn...a 150 lb FB....oh he's an an Ohio boy...the love of my life is not my wife...maybe soon..but someone who asked me in October to go to Omaha to see her 92 year old mom for approval....68 year old guy needs 92 year old moms approval...I passed.


Got it, well my mom-in-law, 87 yrs old, lives in Omaha. If you ever get there check out Stoysich's Meat Market, 52d & Q St. Third generation running a great place. Pick up a jar of their pickled polish.



My girlfriend says that's a great place....she's Irish/.Polish...if u go back try the 5 star Drover Steakhouse....she took me there on my birthday this year.


My wife is German/Czech. Omaha stockyards and packing plants employed lots of Czech, Irish, Poles, Germans and Italians. They referred to each other by less politically correct terms. Not high on sensitivity. Very high on family and church. Big on hand tools and sharp edges on shovels, scythe, axe, chisels, block planes, draw knives and knives. Johnny's is the old-timer's steak house, not trendy, been twenty years since we ate there. Not sure what your girl-friend would say about Johnny's. Omaha, good people. Wife grew up in Holy Ghost Parrish.

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   Posted: 12/7/2016 5:02:56 AM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:

Frank.... ride as long as you want...love you man...my fave 150 fullback...provably the world's only ever 150 pound fullback...and he's a Nebraska legend...the state where I met my love.


About when was that, meeting your wife? I don't suppose you were ever in Memorial Stadium to see coach Solich as a player?



I first saw Frank on Sports Illustrated cover when I was I study hall at Portsmouth Clay and I did and still say damn...a 150 lb FB....oh he's an an Ohio boy...the love of my life is not my wife...maybe soon..but someone who asked me in October to go to Omaha to see her 92 year old mom for approval....68 year old guy needs 92 year old moms approval...I passed.


Got it, well my mom-in-law, 87 yrs old, lives in Omaha. If you ever get there check out Stoysich's Meat Market, 52d & Q St. Third generation running a great place. Pick up a jar of their pickled polish.



My girlfriend says that's a great place....she's Irish/.Polish...if u go back try the 5 star Drover Steakhouse....she took me there on my birthday this year.


My wife is German/Czech. Omaha stockyards and packing plants employed lots of Czech, Irish, Poles, Germans and Italians. They referred to each other by less politically correct terms. Not high on sensitivity. Very high on family and church. Big on hand tools and sharp edges on shovels, scythe, axe, chisels, block planes, draw knives and knives. Johnny's is the old-timer's steak house, not trendy, been twenty years since we ate there. Not sure what your girl-friend would say about Johnny's. Omaha, good people. Wife grew up in Holy Ghost Parrish.


She loves Johnny's....in fact had mentioned it before places that we went to like The Drover and Stella's.
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   Posted: 12/7/2016 10:20:14 AM 
L.C. So, is this kind of thread hijack (which I don't object to) okay because it doesn't question our staff's achievements?


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L.C. So, is this kind of thread hijack (which I don't object to) okay because it doesn't question our staff's achievements?




Actually, I would be interested in L.C.'s opinion. Drovers, Stella's, Johnny's, Gorat's, Anthony's or maybe the Millard Roadhouse?

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   Posted: 12/7/2016 3:01:07 PM 
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Some of you guys are a remarkable putz.

First, where do you get 8-4? We are 8-5.

The last 17 games, 'ey?

Hey, if we're being selective, why don't we add three more games. Then, we go from 11-6 to 11-9 with the three added games being losses by 35, 24, and 38.


Look, at some point one must draw a line. But mine seems more fair, more inclusive. In 12 years no MACC and since the loss to Miami in 2012 we have not been very good.

I concede that Solich was doing quite a good job until then. But since that point (and including that loss to Miami), we are 31-26.

And the cupcake quality of the schedule must be considered. Gardner Webb, anyone?


Now, the narrative is that we are improving.

Maybe-- but where was the acknowledgement that we were regressing for a while...in the weakest division of the weakest conference against cupcakes.

And, let's hope we beat Troy. Because if we don't, then this year's record will be worse than last year's.

Consecutive five loss seasons against the cupcake side is stunning improvement. Gotta think Alabama and OSU and USC will be knocking on our staff's door any moment.


Now, go on, get into your denial. Get into it. Refuse to recognize the facts. Get into it.



Next year we lose Smith, Reid, several first and 2nd team All-MAC defenders, unsettled at qb--gotta think that we're the MACC favorite.







And the response is thunderous silence.





I'm enjoying the lack of even any attempt by the Solich Football Bunch to respond to the above.

Facts got your mouths?



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   Posted: 12/7/2016 3:44:30 PM 
I get a kick out of the fact that Monroe complained to a moderator today about my post mentioning his rather mean-spirited private messages. Yet he's on here calling people "putz."

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   Posted: 12/7/2016 4:35:37 PM 
SBH wrote:
I get a kick out of the fact that Monroe complained to a moderator today about my post mentioning his rather mean-spirited private messages. Yet he's on here calling people "putz."



Do you know BA makes it easy to block PMs from a specified poster? I've only had to activate that feature once. My life has been saner since. I highly recommend this feature. The First Amendment not only gives you the right to speak freely, it gives the listener the right to not listen. Freedom is a two-way street!

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