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  Message Not Read  RE: As Good as it Gets
   Posted: 12/4/2016 6:41:38 PM 
Let's be real. Substitute all but Ball State from the MAC West in our slot and I guarantee they do about the same result in our division and we would be about 6-6 or worse in the West
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   Posted: 12/4/2016 6:42:00 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
I'm sorry, but if we're truly going to make a dent, then the culture of us needs to truly change.

We are "content" with 8-4 records every year because we don't demand more of ourselves.

We are "content" with Frank receiving bonuses for winning 7 and 8 games yet not a single bonus for a MAC Championship.

How can we say that we're truly going for a MACC when our coach DOESNT HAVE A FREAKING CLAUSE IN THERE FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP?!?!?

So I say to us: I don't care if we call it the "BobcatAttack/Monroe Slavin Memorial Bonus Incentive." I am willing to put up 1K right now towards a bonus for him winning a MACC so that maybe, just maybe our coaches can actually have motivation to strive for higher instead of 7-5. Heck, I would even include a bonus on there to get Marshall on the schedule on an annual basis for 3 decades but we won't do that because we're afraid of messing up Frank's bonus structure.

When I see a thread on here congratulating Temple on a conference championship, remember these were the same yahoos that were kicked out of the Big East and didn't want to be in the MAC. They made a commitment to their athletics and look at them now, as they had a streak just as long as us. They were on our level, in fact worse. Heck, Western Michigan was a lagging program in the MAC for a long time. Then they get someone in there who excites, can out-recruit the Big Ten middle and bottom schools, and look at them now. They're going to a Cotton Bowl while we go to another no-name bowl in Alabama.

Dare I say this on here as well, but we get what we pay for. Well, we pay for family packs to watch the band and leave at halftime. I ain't saying we need to empty our wallets, but we need to up things on all fronts. The culture from alums need to change, especially when we have an alumni base of 200,000 people. Good lord, that's on par with Big Ten schools when you put it in perspective so why can't we be like them. Using Ohio State or West Virginia as an excuse would be a futile effort to do with this argument, especially as I did my undergrad at the evil empire yet feel more affinity for Athens. For only 2,200 to show up in Detroit was pitiful, especially for the "pride" we have in Ohio. Sure, it was a Friday, but you're telling me Clevelanders can't make a two hour drive over? Aiy Curumba.

And if you're content with where were at, then so be it. 7-5 is what we'll get every year at most, especially with Miami to the west going on a capital campaign to blow us out of the water with facilities. I sure as hell ain't letting them kick our butts around, especially because those yahoos don't give a hoot about their teams.

Sorry for sounding like Monroe, but the canary is screaming in the coal mine right now in terms of our peers in the MAC. We are going to fall behind and it will take a decade to undo when that plank is pulled out from underneath us.


Hello!!! Coach Solich was one play away from this MACC without a bonus for it. Ohio was one play away from the title and you want to change the culture. Not buying it.


Considering our fanbase barely showed up and are happy losing in the MACC because we put up a fight with a program that was 1-11 3 years ago? Logic would say that with a 8-4 record we should have taken the next step. Oh wait, we're still on the same step we've been on for 48, going on 49 years.

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  Message Not Read  RE: As Good as it Gets
   Posted: 12/4/2016 6:46:09 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
I'm sorry, but if we're truly going to make a dent, then the culture of us needs to truly change.

We are "content" with 8-4 records every year because we don't demand more of ourselves.

We are "content" with Frank receiving bonuses for winning 7 and 8 games yet not a single bonus for a MAC Championship.

How can we say that we're truly going for a MACC when our coach DOESNT HAVE A FREAKING CLAUSE IN THERE FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP?!?!?

So I say to us: I don't care if we call it the "BobcatAttack/Monroe Slavin Memorial Bonus Incentive." I am willing to put up 1K right now towards a bonus for him winning a MACC so that maybe, just maybe our coaches can actually have motivation to strive for higher instead of 7-5. Heck, I would even include a bonus on there to get Marshall on the schedule on an annual basis for 3 decades but we won't do that because we're afraid of messing up Frank's bonus structure.

When I see a thread on here congratulating Temple on a conference championship, remember these were the same yahoos that were kicked out of the Big East and didn't want to be in the MAC. They made a commitment to their athletics and look at them now, as they had a streak just as long as us. They were on our level, in fact worse. Heck, Western Michigan was a lagging program in the MAC for a long time. Then they get someone in there who excites, can out-recruit the Big Ten middle and bottom schools, and look at them now. They're going to a Cotton Bowl while we go to another no-name bowl in Alabama.

Dare I say this on here as well, but we get what we pay for. Well, we pay for family packs to watch the band and leave at halftime. I ain't saying we need to empty our wallets, but we need to up things on all fronts. The culture from alums need to change, especially when we have an alumni base of 200,000 people. Good lord, that's on par with Big Ten schools when you put it in perspective so why can't we be like them. Using Ohio State or West Virginia as an excuse would be a futile effort to do with this argument, especially as I did my undergrad at the evil empire yet feel more affinity for Athens. For only 2,200 to show up in Detroit was pitiful, especially for the "pride" we have in Ohio. Sure, it was a Friday, but you're telling me Clevelanders can't make a two hour drive over? Aiy Curumba.

And if you're content with where were at, then so be it. 7-5 is what we'll get every year at most, especially with Miami to the west going on a capital campaign to blow us out of the water with facilities. I sure as hell ain't letting them kick our butts around, especially because those yahoos don't give a hoot about their teams.

Sorry for sounding like Monroe, but the canary is screaming in the coal mine right now in terms of our peers in the MAC. We are going to fall behind and it will take a decade to undo when that plank is pulled out from underneath us.


I agree with much of what you say and you don't sound at all like Monroe because you present your thoughts in a consumable way that doesn't make you look like an uninformed jackass. Plus, I don't think you've posted this same message 6,000 times previously.

One point you make that I have made in some of my few posts on here is regarding financial contributions. Our alums suck at giving back and I suspect many on this board suck as well, especially some of the most vocal. If you're going to start demanding high performance then get your check book out and put your money where your mouth is! It's called wine taste on a beer budget and we are frankly (no pun intended) making the most of the situation. The enhancements and improvements that have been made, thanks to generous financial support, haven't necessarily been made to put us ahead but merely to keep up with our peers.

I would love to win the MAC and beyond but we aren't supporting this program to a MAC championship level, we're just not. Look around...there are some FCS schools and below that are starting to run circles around us in the way of facilities, amenities, etc. My grad school alma mater, Campbell University, started non-scholarship football 8 years ago and just announced they're going scholarship FCS and will compete in the Big South. They now have a large video scoreboard for God's sake...and we don't...how is that??
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  Message Not Read  RE: As Good as it Gets
   Posted: 12/4/2016 7:55:05 PM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
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Considering our fanbase barely showed up and are happy losing in the MACC because we put up a fight with a program that was 1-11 3 years ago? Logic would say that with a 8-4 record we should have taken the next step. Oh wait, we're still on the same step we've been on for 48, going on 49 years.


I don't think anyone is 'happy' with losing. Rather, some of us are proud we played well, hung in there with a top 20 team even with 3 turnovers. And as others said .. we had a chance to win it.

As far as saying we're on the same step we've been on 48 years .... you couldn't be more wrong there. If you're suggesting we've not progressed from the Lichty or Cleve years then I'm at a loss of what to say.

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   Posted: 12/4/2016 9:18:27 PM 
Buckey to Bobcat--thanks for basically saying what I've been saying for 2-3 years.

I guess most here aren't rationally able to get past the messenger to hear the message. Great thinking going on here. Sad--it's okay if someone else says it but I get told to F off or that the players would gladly beat me up...And I'm the problem?!!

Bcat2 reminding us that we were one play away from winning the MACC... totally, of course, missing the 0-4 MACCs and no season in 12 with less than 4 losses. You can see why he or she is greatly ignored here on this board.

CAbobcat--Someone already answered part of your 'contribute in proportion to your mouth' thought.

I agree that the alumni/friend giving (academic and otherwise) seems sorry given the general affinity for OHIO UNIVERSITY held by so many.

But your thought raises this question: How do you know what anyone here contributes?



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  Message Not Read  RE: As Good as it Gets
   Posted: 12/4/2016 9:24:06 PM 
So naysayers what's the plan?
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   Posted: 12/4/2016 9:36:42 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:




mid70s--one of the leaders of the ToleratingMediocrityBunch.





Yep. 8 - 4 was a mediocre year. You're right once again. CRASHING LOSSES this year by 7, 7, 2 and 9 points with a MASSIVE 6 point loss to WMU. No progress at all from last year. Just more mediocre play. Future looks even worse. What do you see next season? 2 - 10?

Schaus, McDavis and the Ohio Board of Trustees also agree with you.
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   Posted: 12/4/2016 9:48:18 PM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
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Considering our fanbase barely showed up and are happy losing in the MACC because we put up a fight with a program that was 1-11 3 years ago? Logic would say that with a 8-4 record we should have taken the next step. Oh wait, we're still on the same step we've been on for 48, going on 49 years.


I don't think anyone is 'happy' with losing. Rather, some of us are proud we played well, hung in there with a top 20 team even with 3 turnovers. And as others said .. we had a chance to win it.

As far as saying we're on the same step we've been on 48 years .... you couldn't be more wrong there. If you're suggesting we've not progressed from the Lichty or Cleve years then I'm at a loss of what to say.



True, but have we not won a MAC Championship in 49 years? Therefore, we are on the same step we were 49 years ago, just the difference is we've gone below that step way lower until the last 12 years, since we seem stuck on that step.

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   Posted: 12/4/2016 10:01:35 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
So naysayers what's the plan?


Told ya, step one is for us as boosters to create incentive for MAC Championship. If declined, pull support from athletics until things change. This has to be financial commitment from us to basically say to the coaches that there's a fat carrot at the end of this instead of you getting 8 wins.

Hate to say it people but money talks. If you're willing to continue giving your money towards something, is someone going to change how they do business? And let me ask this: if you worked in sales and there was no incentive for you to make more sales because you're on salary, are you going to push the boundaries of your sales? Heck no, you're going to do the minimum work required and therefore not get after it. What do you think not having a MAC Championship incentive is like? All he has to do is get 8 wins and no more for bonuses. So that's step one. I can pull my donation no problem tomorrow with little concern, can you?

Step Two: Organization of alumni associations.
For those of us not in Cleveland, Columbus, or Athens, the organization of chapters needs to ramp up. Our reach out in other areas is not as strong as it needs to be. As an Ohio State alum, I had an opportunity to form a new chapter and for raising $500 for a scholarship, the university would match us on it, along with giving us a social budget. Sure, that's a big school doing that, but does the alumni association help create incentives for these chapters to do significant work? No.

Step Three: Challenge to give more every year
This one I can't help, but it takes each of us upgrading every year, whether it's upgrading seats, upping donation, or developing pet projects. Heck, even developing a Bobcat Attack fund within OBC would be a start. Donate under your alias and as a message board vote on how we utilize the funds, whether it's starting endowments or helping to pay for an assistant in an under-funded sport. Small initiatives like that from multiple communities within athletics can fund an organization.

Step Four: Bring others on the bandwagon
When your tickets can't get used, find folks in your neighborhood that can't go. Bring kids at a young age that don't know about Ohio University and only Ohio State. Heck, get your youth football teams to play down at Peden Stadium or the Convo for other sports. Getting the kids down to actually play in our facilities would go a long way towards developing the next crop of kids that want to come and begin that affinity early. Long term bet here people, but it's what we gotta do to begin chipping away at other schools.

So there ya go, there's some solutions from someone you think is being a pessimist.
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   Posted: 12/4/2016 10:02:34 PM 
OCF - help me out on this - wasn't 1968 the year the Hocking was rerouted? Maybe that put a jinx on this program.
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   Posted: 12/4/2016 11:02:30 PM 
Sometimes you have to press to get over the hump, sometimes that means making changes. FS will need to make some adjustments to try to get us over the hump, it is our time. He did a great job this year besides the debacle against Texas State. Offensively we need to improve, none of our QB's was a top ten MAC QB, our running game got shut down the last three games because of run blitzes. He can sit idle and we can barely beat Kent and Buffalo next year or he can make some changes, the East will not be sorry for long. I don't want to take anything from what he did this year, he identified the problems weekly, he had the team ready to play and we played for weeks with an inexperienced QB and injured running backs and 5th string corner backs and still won the MAC east. it is no doubt that the players get up for FS and that FS can coach people up, but we need better offensive personnel mainly QB and TE and we need better play-calling. We also need consistent tackling and better DB play, even our 1's got abused by Texas State. He cannot overlook this, he needs to deal with this. Go Cats

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   Posted: 12/4/2016 11:43:28 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Buckey to Bobcat--thanks for basically saying what I've been saying for 2-3 years.

I guess most here aren't rationally able to get past the messenger to hear the message. Great thinking going on here. Sad--it's okay if someone else says it but I get told to F off or that the players would gladly beat me up...And I'm the problem?!!

Bcat2 reminding us that we were one play away from winning the MACC... totally, of course, missing the 0-4 MACCs and no season in 12 with less than 4 losses. You can see why he or she is greatly ignored here on this board.

CAbobcat--Someone already answered part of your 'contribute in proportion to your mouth' thought.

I agree that the alumni/friend giving (academic and otherwise) seems sorry given the general affinity for OHIO UNIVERSITY held by so many.

But your thought raises this question: How do you know what anyone here contributes?



mid70s--one of the leaders of the ToleratingMediocrityBunch.







I have no idea who most people are on this board so I couldn't possibly know who contributed what however if you visit the OBC website or look at a game program (likely requires attending a game), you'll see who is giving what. I think the OBC staff works hard and has made a lot of progress over the years but damn, the giving at the higher levels is embarrassingly low. We don't have more "fans" out there with deeper pockets?
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   Posted: 12/5/2016 12:18:14 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Yep. 8 - 4 was a mediocre year. You're right once again. CRASHING LOSSES this year by 7, 7, 2 and 9 points with a MASSIVE 6 point loss to [15th ranked] WMU. No progress at all from last year. Just more mediocre play. Future looks even worse. What do you see next season? 2 - 10?

Schaus, McDavis and the Ohio Board of Trustees also agree with you.


+1 I added one additional note to your quote above for Mr. Slavin's edification. That we were within less than a TD with the 15th ranked team in the nation would seem to me to indicate some real progress since our recent "slump" years. But, I'm just wearing my Solich blinders, so what the heck, just ignore me.

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   Posted: 12/5/2016 12:19:28 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
So naysayers what's the plan?


Told ya, step one is for us as boosters to create incentive for MAC Championship. If declined, pull support from athletics until things change. This has to be financial commitment from us to basically say to the coaches that there's a fat carrot at the end of this instead of you getting 8 wins.

Hate to say it people but money talks. If you're willing to continue giving your money towards something, is someone going to change how they do business? And let me ask this: if you worked in sales and there was no incentive for you to make more sales because you're on salary, are you going to push the boundaries of your sales? Heck no, you're going to do the minimum work required and therefore not get after it. What do you think not having a MAC Championship incentive is like? All he has to do is get 8 wins and no more for bonuses. So that's step one. I can pull my donation no problem tomorrow with little concern, can you?

Step Two: Organization of alumni associations.
For those of us not in Cleveland, Columbus, or Athens, the organization of chapters needs to ramp up. Our reach out in other areas is not as strong as it needs to be. As an Ohio State alum, I had an opportunity to form a new chapter and for raising $500 for a scholarship, the university would match us on it, along with giving us a social budget. Sure, that's a big school doing that, but does the alumni association help create incentives for these chapters to do significant work? No.

Step Three: Challenge to give more every year
This one I can't help, but it takes each of us upgrading every year, whether it's upgrading seats, upping donation, or developing pet projects. Heck, even developing a Bobcat Attack fund within OBC would be a start. Donate under your alias and as a message board vote on how we utilize the funds, whether it's starting endowments or helping to pay for an assistant in an under-funded sport. Small initiatives like that from multiple communities within athletics can fund an organization.

Step Four: Bring others on the bandwagon
When your tickets can't get used, find folks in your neighborhood that can't go. Bring kids at a young age that don't know about Ohio University and only Ohio State. Heck, get your youth football teams to play down at Peden Stadium or the Convo for other sports. Getting the kids down to actually play in our facilities would go a long way towards developing the next crop of kids that want to come and begin that affinity early. Long term bet here people, but it's what we gotta do to begin chipping away at other schools.

So there ya go, there's some solutions from someone you think is being a pessimist.


great solutions, I can feel your passion. You are right kids need to know about the Cats

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   Posted: 12/5/2016 12:23:36 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
OCF - help me out on this - wasn't 1968 the year the Hocking was rerouted? Maybe that put a jinx on this program.


Sorry, Alan, there's no goat jinx here (which this year proved was phony to begin with). The work on the rerouting was underway when I returned to Athens from the Evil Empire to start my doctoral work. That was the fall of 1969. They were still working on it in the Spring of 1970. I'm not totally sure when it was completed -- probably late 1970 or early 1971.

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   Posted: 12/5/2016 12:31:17 AM 
CA Bobcat wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Buckey to Bobcat--thanks for basically saying what I've been saying for 2-3 years.

I guess most here aren't rationally able to get past the messenger to hear the message. Great thinking going on here. Sad--it's okay if someone else says it but I get told to F off or that the players would gladly beat me up...And I'm the problem?!!

Bcat2 reminding us that we were one play away from winning the MACC... totally, of course, missing the 0-4 MACCs and no season in 12 with less than 4 losses. You can see why he or she is greatly ignored here on this board.

CAbobcat--Someone already answered part of your 'contribute in proportion to your mouth' thought.

I agree that the alumni/friend giving (academic and otherwise) seems sorry given the general affinity for OHIO UNIVERSITY held by so many.

But your thought raises this question: How do you know what anyone here contributes?



mid70s--one of the leaders of the ToleratingMediocrityBunch.







I have no idea who most people are on this board so I couldn't possibly know who contributed what however if you visit the OBC website or look at a game program (likely requires attending a game), you'll see who is giving what. I think the OBC staff works hard and has made a lot of progress over the years but damn, the giving at the higher levels is embarrassingly low. We don't have more "fans" out there with deeper pockets?


So, no seasons less than four losses. Of course the coin has two sides. Seems since 2006, in the MAC, only NIU has more wins. Monroe is aware of this, but, such an indication of winning does not fit his narrative. You see Monroe is a salesman, not, not, a football player, former player, coach, former coach, league administrator or former league administrator. He has no clue what it takes to prepare your body for football, to recover from injury, to rehab from injury, to be responsible for a team, to deal with ..... that the team comes up with, to scout opponents, to actually make adjustments mid-game, to own a win, to lose, to own a loss, to improve a team week to week, to lose a championship game, to win a championship game, to administer a league, to deal with the team that loses, but, wants to win the fight after. Monroe, has no clue what he does not know. Should we, knowing this, excuse his clueless rants, no, remember, "No Excuses."

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   Posted: 12/5/2016 12:42:47 AM 
This program has moved beyond the point where bowl games and MACC appearances are significant. It's become about wins and to gain attention that most on this board are seeking you've got to look at winning 10 games a year. Some of those years can include conference titles and bowl wins but they don't have to be every year. That's how you get your telecast windows bumped up and Ohio football becomes must see TV for alumni. Frank himself has said the goal is to consistently land in the Top 25, can't do that dropping 4-5 games a year unless your name is Florida State or something.

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   Posted: 12/5/2016 12:48:39 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
This program has moved beyond the point where bowl games and MACC appearances are significant. It's become about wins and to gain attention that most on this board are seeking you've got to look at winning 10 games a year. Some of those years can include conference titles and bowl wins but they don't have to be every year. That's how you get your telecast windows bumped up and Ohio football becomes must see TV for alumni. Frank himself has said the goal is to consistently land in the Top 25, can't do that dropping 4-5 games a year unless your name is Florida State or something.


+1

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   Posted: 12/5/2016 12:51:20 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Yep. 8 - 4 was a mediocre year. You're right once again. CRASHING LOSSES this year by 7, 7, 2 and 9 points with a MASSIVE 6 point loss to [15th ranked] WMU. No progress at all from last year. Just more mediocre play. Future looks even worse. What do you see next season? 2 - 10?

Schaus, McDavis and the Ohio Board of Trustees also agree with you.


+1 I added one additional note to your quote above for Mr. Slavin's edification. That we were within less than a TD with the 15th ranked team in the nation would seem to me to indicate some real progress since our recent "slump" years. But, I'm just wearing my Solich blinders, so what the heck, just ignore me.


In its last 17 games Ohio is 11-6 with the 6 losses by an average of 5.5 points. Monroe has said either win the MACC or come very, very close and this year Ohio was very, very close with a spirited performance in the MACC. No blowout losses for a season and a half. Ohio over represented on the MAC all team individual honors. If the program continues on this track its going to pick up double digit wins and some MACC's along the way.

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   Posted: 12/5/2016 12:56:35 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
Yep. 8 - 4 was a mediocre year. You're right once again. CRASHING LOSSES this year by 7, 7, 2 and 9 points with a MASSIVE 6 point loss to [15th ranked] WMU. No progress at all from last year. Just more mediocre play. Future looks even worse. What do you see next season? 2 - 10?

Schaus, McDavis and the Ohio Board of Trustees also agree with you.


+1 I added one additional note to your quote above for Mr. Slavin's edification. That we were within less than a TD with the 15th ranked team in the nation would seem to me to indicate some real progress since our recent "slump" years. But, I'm just wearing my Solich blinders, so what the heck, just ignore me.


In its last 17 games Ohio is 11-6 with the 6 losses by an average of 5.5 points. Monroe has said either win the MACC or come very, very close and this year Ohio was very, very close with a spirited performance in the MACC. No blowout losses for a season and a half. Ohio over represented on the MAC all team individual honors. If the program continues on this track its going to pick up double digit wins and some MACC's along the way.




Please do NOT present FACTS. Monroe does not like facts. He prefers his 'expertise'.
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   Posted: 12/5/2016 1:59:46 AM 
Some of you guys are a remarkable putz.

First, where do you get 8-4? We are 8-5.

The last 17 games, 'ey?

Hey, if we're being selective, why don't we add three more games. Then, we go from 11-6 to 11-9 with the three added games being losses by 35, 24, and 38.


Look, at some point one must draw a line. But mine seems more fair, more inclusive. In 12 years no MACC and since the loss to Miami in 2012 we have not been very good.

I concede that Solich was doing quite a good job until then. But since that point (and including that loss to Miami), we are 31-26.

And the cupcake quality of the schedule must be considered. Gardner Webb, anyone?


Now, the narrative is that we are improving.

Maybe-- but where was the acknowledgement that we were regressing for a while...in the weakest division of the weakest conference against cupcakes.

And, let's hope we beat Troy. Because if we don't, then this year's record will be worse than last year's.

Consecutive five loss seasons against the cupcake side is stunning improvement. Gotta think Alabama and OSU and USC will be knocking on our staff's door any moment.


Now, go on, get into your denial. Get into it. Refuse to recognize the facts. Get into it.



Next year we lose Smith, Reid, several first and 2nd team All-MAC defenders, unsettled at qb--gotta think that we're the MACC favorite.



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   Posted: 12/5/2016 7:22:24 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
OCF - help me out on this - wasn't 1968 the year the Hocking was rerouted? Maybe that put a jinx on this program.


Sorry, Alan, there's no goat jinx here (which this year proved was phony to begin with). The work on the rerouting was underway when I returned to Athens from the Evil Empire to start my doctoral work. That was the fall of 1969. They were still working on it in the Spring of 1970. I'm not totally sure when it was completed -- probably late 1970 or early 1971.



So wouldn't Alan's jinx be correct then? Ohio last one a MAC title in football in 1968. If the rerouting started after that...
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   Posted: 12/5/2016 10:18:12 AM 
CA Bobcat wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Buckey to Bobcat--thanks for basically saying what I've been saying for 2-3 years.

I guess most here aren't rationally able to get past the messenger to hear the message. Great thinking going on here. Sad--it's okay if someone else says it but I get told to F off or that the players would gladly beat me up...And I'm the problem?!!

Bcat2 reminding us that we were one play away from winning the MACC... totally, of course, missing the 0-4 MACCs and no season in 12 with less than 4 losses. You can see why he or she is greatly ignored here on this board.

CAbobcat--Someone already answered part of your 'contribute in proportion to your mouth' thought.

I agree that the alumni/friend giving (academic and otherwise) seems sorry given the general affinity for OHIO UNIVERSITY held by so many.

But your thought raises this question: How do you know what anyone here contributes?



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I have no idea who most people are on this board so I couldn't possibly know who contributed what however if you visit the OBC website or look at a game program (likely requires attending a game), you'll see who is giving what. I think the OBC staff works hard and has made a lot of progress over the years but damn, the giving at the higher levels is embarrassingly low. We don't have more "fans" out there with deeper pockets?



DO NOT let that published list draw your conclusions about who is giving or how much they are giving. To be in the OBC your contributions have to be "un-restricted" to the general fund for money to be used as you see fit. For example if you donated a $1,000 to the Football Locker Room fund or $500 for the women's locker room fund you will not get OBC credit. If you gave $10K for the academic center you would still not get any OBC credit. So there are many donors out there who remain anonymous from this published list.
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   Posted: 12/5/2016 11:09:33 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
DO NOT let that published list draw your conclusions about who is giving or how much they are giving. To be in the OBC your contributions have to be "un-restricted" to the general fund for money to be used as you see fit. For example if you donated a $1,000 to the Football Locker Room fund or $500 for the women's locker room fund you will not get OBC credit. If you gave $10K for the academic center you would still not get any OBC credit. So there are many donors out there who remain anonymous from this published list.


+1

This is, unfortunately true. I think it's an issue that needs to be reviewed by the powers that be. IMHO, if someone gives a million bucks for the academic center they ought to automatically be an OBC member for life. Actually, I'd put the cutoff for life membership somewhat lower than one million. But, you get the idea.

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   Posted: 12/5/2016 11:10:19 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:


Yep. 8 - 4 was a mediocre year. You're right once again. CRASHING LOSSES this year by 7, 7, 2 and 9 points with a MASSIVE 6 point loss to WMU. No progress at all from last year. Just more mediocre play. Future looks even worse. What do you see next season? 2 - 10?

Schaus, McDavis and the Ohio Board of Trustees also agree with you.





Here's why a lot of us say it's mediocre: 2-10. That's our record against FBS teams that have finished the season with a winning record over the last three years. That's the measuring stick I have for quality. Not winning the pathetic MAC East. Not winning seven or eight games. Not moral victories. How do we stack up against good FBS teams? The clear answer is not very well.
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