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cc-cat
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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 3:33:56 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

So who's program would you rather have RIGHT NOW?

What you're really asking: do we want a consistent head coach, or a new coach every 3 years or so. Plenty of MAC programs take the latter approach. It's hardly a lock for a MAC Championship. Will WMU have Fleck next year? Probably not. They'll start all over again.

You're OK with that. I'm not.

Simple.

I think Fleck made it pretty clear last night that he will not be coaching the team in the Cotton Bowl.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 3:47:11 PM

Would Solich's record be above .500 if Ohio was in the West Division for the past 12 years?

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 4:02:43 PM

cc-cat wrote:

So to this year's team -- Yes, Monroe Slavin apparently thinks YOU are mediocre. As does Bshot44 - whoever that is. Do not attach their view to the rest of Bobcat Nation.

Settle down Cory Hughes - Class of 1983.

Find one post where I said this year's team is mediocre? One. I dare you.

You're doing the same thing you're accusing others in doing... Making stuff up.

I never said this year's team is mediocre. I've said on countless occasion that I think the program has flat lined into a 7 or 8 win season team and against the schedule we continually play, that TO ME is mediocre results.

Mediocre synonyms: ordinary, average, middling, middle-of-the-road

7-5, 8-4 are ordinary, above average, middle of the road seasons. Is that not what this program has produced last 4 seasons?

If you're happy with that, good for you Cory Hughes - Class of 1983. That is your opinion.

I'd like a little better. I'm sure the players would too. I don't think they strive to be 8-5.

So if the players want to be better, why can't the fans?

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 4:03:13 PM

bobcat695 wrote:

Would Solich's record be above .500 if Ohio was in the West Division for the past 12 years?

Simple answer. No

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 4:15:27 PM

Glad you agree Bshot that this team is not mediocre. As I said. I never disputed that the program had leveled off and was mediocre. I think this team has shed that monicker. I also think because of this team the program has moved up a notch. I think you disagree with that which is fine. My interest is to define that this team should not be associated with "mediocrity". Glad you agree.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 4:41:14 PM

So, it's too much expect a coach who's been here 12 years to bring down one MAC title in that that time?

This year's team may be better than mediocre.

The coaching is not.

Go back to the poll the poll that was posted--about 70%, as I recall, prefer a MAC title over the other possible outcome (which was something like upsetting a nationally ranked team).

Such a big upset will make the OHIO FOOTBALL fanbase, if there is an OHIO FOOTBALL fanbase, excited for a week or two. A MAC title will return the fan base for a few years, in my opinion.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 4:41:41 PM

I agree with my opinion.

Apparently, some others do not.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 4:47:35 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Why and when we lost last night:

1) Our 2nd last drive in the 2nd quarter, we had 3rd and 14 at about our 10. We run it. (Gets stuffed at line for no gain or small loss.) Huh? No other team in the history of football runs it there. Behind 16-7 and a huge underdog, we had nothing to lose there. We were positioned to take a stab at a huge win. How big? It would have would have validated Solich...and shut Monroe up.

But typical Solich/Albin fear of a turnover means we go ultra-conservative. As usual. Leading to the as usual loss in MAC title game.

We had nothing to lose there.

Nope, sorry, you've got that wrong. That was the right call in that particular situation. A turnover there and the game completely gets away from us. (not an unlikely outcome, as our quarterback was struggling)

We lost the game with a combination of the two turnovers early in the game (Maxwell dropping the ball, and Belack failing to protect the ball on the kick return), and the inability of our offensive line to move the WMU defensive front off the line of scrimmage to establish a running game.

The two turnovers were unforced (even though it was a big hit on the kick return, the ball was not stripped or knocked loose, just poor ball protection). Even though the defense did an outstanding job limiting WMU to field goals off those turnovers in our territory, the loss of field position and spotting WMU the eventual margin of victory were huge.

Don't think that I'm trying to blame individual players. We have to remember that they're KIDS playing this game. Big, talented kids, but kids nevertheless. They make mistakes, but I'm proud of how hard they played.

Last night was not a moral victory. We lost and it didn't feel good. I especially hate to lose to someone as annoying as Fleck. But, anyone who thinks we're not one of the two best teams in the MAC after last night's game has got a screw loose. We belong, but I want to see us get better. I believe we have a good chance to do that.

One more thing, Frank's a little short in the charisma department, but I wouldn't trade him for the ridiculous "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME" antics of Fleck. Frank gives players on both sides of the field credit when it's due. He directs attention to the players, where it belongs.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 4:53:06 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

So, it's too much expect a coach who's been here 12 years to bring down one MAC title in that that time?

Not at all

Monroe Slavin wrote:

This year's team may be better than mediocre.

Now that wasn't painful was it?

Monroe Slavin wrote:

The coaching is not.

I'm fine with that opinion - as you know I've felt this would be Frank's last year....it won't.

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Such a big upset will make the OHIO FOOTBALL fanbase, if there is an OHIO FOOTBALL fanbase, excited for a week or two. A MAC title will return the fan base for a few years, in my opinion.

As someone who conducts marketing and research for a living, I've outlined my opinion on the "fan base" - it has not 'fleed" and most are not unhappy. So there will not be a sea change of opinion...or donations with a MACC.

Monroe Slavin wrote:

I agree with my opinion

And that is all that matters - lol

Last Edited: 12/3/2016 5:00:52 PM by cc-cat

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 5:00:19 PM

Now that we all agree this team has risen above "mediocrity" and played a hell of a game last night - Let's all congratulate them on taking a step forward and representing the university in a manner that provides us pride. If the "I don't congratulate losers" attitude doesn't allow that. At least thank the players for dedicating the past 365 days of their lives to do everything THEY can do to be better each day. It shows.

AlumDadDad - agree - Fleck was simply posing for a job interview last night.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 5:29:35 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

So the coaching this year is not better than mediocre? Lets look at last night's game. We knew going in we needed to keep turnovers down, hopefully to none. We had 3. And I'm sure each of the guys would love to have the play over from the ball seemingly falling out of Maxwell's hand to Belack's decision to bring it out from 5 or 6 yards deep to Greg's last pass. If anyone had told me we'd have 3 turnovers and be within a FG with 7 minutes to go I'd have not believed them. My point? The turnovers are not the 'fault' of the coaching staff. They were mistakes made on the field by the guys playing. In light of those mistakes we executed quite well otherwise. And for that I give credit to BOTH the players and the coaching staff.

And in my opinion a MAC title isn't something that brings back fans for a few years. Unless you're WMU this year (undefeated) and going to a BIG bowl the MAC champion plays in a bowl game not much more prestigious than where the runner up ends up.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 6:15:50 PM

AlumDadDad wrote:

. . . Last night was not a moral victory. We lost and it didn't feel good. I especially hate to lose to someone as annoying as Fleck. But, anyone who thinks we're not one of the two best teams in the MAC after last night's game has got a screw loose. We belong, but I want to see us get better. I believe we have a good chance to do that. . . .

Agree with all of these points. Fleck is certainly annoying. The word that WMU fans were telling me last night after the game is that he will most likely go to Purdue. If so, we'll be seeing him again soon. Hopefully, we'll live him a little less happy mood after that game.

And, yes, we have a few posters on this board who have a few screws loose. It's quite clear that the team got much better this year and is on an upward trend after a few years of stagnation. No crushing losses this year. Beat UT -- the one in norther Ohio. Played the other UT a solid game. Played some of its best football at the end of the season -- UT and WMU. Has lots of young players on the team who contributed this year, some as freshmen. Should have an incredible running game next year with AJ, Irons, Brown, etc. Yet some don't see any of this. That's OK. I think that they will be pleasantly surprised with next year's team that will be, maybe, the best team in the Solich Era. Go OHIO!

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 6:20:05 PM

Let me add, that the WMU fans that I talked to last night were shocked at our performance. They nearly all thought that they would whip us 40-7, or something like that. They gave us very grudging respect, and some even claimed it wouldn't have been as close except for some very favorable calls by the zebras. Just thought I'd add this for a little perspective from the other side.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 7:00:42 PM

AlumDadDad wrote:

[One more thing, Frank's a little short in the charisma department, but I wouldn't trade him for the ridiculous "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME" antics of Fleck. Frank gives players on both sides of the field credit when it's due. He directs attention to the players, where it belongs.

Big +1! Hadn't really paid any attention to Fleck before last night. Was not impressed with his oversight in giving any recognition to Ohio. Thought that was a bit classless.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 7:02:37 PM

mid70sbobcat wrote:

And in my opinion a MAC title isn't something that brings back fans for a few years. Unless you're WMU this year (undefeated) and going to a BIG bowl the MAC champion plays in a bowl game not much more prestigious than where the runner up ends up.

Totally agree. Don't think a MACC would amount to much in terms of short term fan reaction. If we had WMU's season, yes, there would be some energy. I honestly don't know if we'd send as many to a MACC game, though. That was impressive.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 7:06:00 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

It's quite clear that the team got much better this year and is on an upward trend after a few years of stagnation. No crushing losses this year. Beat UT -- the one in norther Ohio. Played the other UT a solid game. Played some of its best football at the end of the season -- UT and WMU. Has lots of young players on the team who contributed this year, some as freshmen.

Big agreement here. Very happy with Ohio's performance against the top of the West. We slipped too many times this year, no doubt that's true. But we came to play against Toledo and WMU. If we can get our QB situation iced, I like our odds next year. In my opinion, Windham was underutilized this year. I think he had the tools. We were too quick to go to Maxwell, who, I think, is a bit too raw yet.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 7:20:08 PM

cc-cat wrote:

Is this team better than the last two years... Yes. No question. Despite the inexplicable loss to Texas State, we didn't see a horrid stretch of bad losses that we've seen the previous few years.

I hope this is upward trend continues. But I'm more hopeful there are some serious changes on the offensive side of the ball, mainly coaching and play calling

Albin has to go. But I don't think Solich would ever let a coach go. Hasn't in 11 years, why would I think he'd do it now

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 7:26:05 PM

I asked a Former Ohio starting QB last nite his insight on what OUr problem is he said ONE WORD. Albin.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 7:50:33 PM

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I asked a Former Ohio starting QB last nite his insight on what OUr problem is he said ONE WORD. Albin.

Our inability to recruit a difference maker at QB, and our inability to punish the defense for run blitzing us. This was a coaching masterpiece by FS, we almost won the MAC championship with a third team QB and 5th string cornerbacks, for that he deserves honor. However, his inaction when it comes to Albin and the DB coach are reasons why we have lost every game that we have in our L column. The safeties and corners have given up explosive plays and taken bad angles, the tackling in the secondary has been below average. To FS credit he has identified these problems, even at half time he said we have to stop giving up explosive plays and we did. It is time for FS to shake things up. We need corners and QB's for next year and we need to have open competitions.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 8:03:03 PM

I have followed the Bobcats since 1964 and I love them....whatever the record!
They did well last night against a great team! Give them and coach the kudos!
Historically, mediocrity is probably the best adjective for the Bobcats...but
what is the solution?.....coach?....recruiting?...different conference?....
the University (President, Board of Trustees, Director of Athletics) have made some terrible decisions in the past. Do you think that pattern is really going to change? WMU is paying their coach over $800,000....when will Ohio pay $1M?
I have waited 53 years for a smart decision!

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 8:05:09 PM

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OCF, you didn't share with us where you posted the above from. Was it from Caifornia? or Maine? or from the Convo? or enroute from Detroit to SE Ohio? Always look forward to and enjoy this bit of minutiae.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 8:32:38 PM

bshot44 wrote:

cc-cat wrote:

No sane person would dispute that Albin is an issue - simply not in sync - even with his more aggressive approach this year (yes, he has been - enough - no - e.g., going down field back to back series last night) - he is not in sync with personnel and today's game.

The challenge is not Frank's loyalty, but the timing. No matter your opinion of Frank, he s down to the end of his career. I thought this year. L.C. thinks next.

There is not a quality OC that would come to Athens on a 1-year lease. NOT gonna happen. Only approach would be to bring in an OC with the promise they would be the next head coach. And Schauss will not do that.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 8:37:00 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

So who's program would you rather have RIGHT NOW?

Is this the case for losing? Our players deserve better fans. Fleck may leave and he may stay, FS is 70+, I rather win the MAC and play in a BCS game than have heartbreak hotel every year.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 8:40:02 PM

allen wrote:

Is this the case for losing? Our players deserve better fans. Fleck may leave and he may stay, FS is 70+, I rather win the MAC and play in a BCS game than have heartbreak hotel every year.

Better fans? You don't know what you're talking about. We'll leave it at that.

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RE: As Good as it Gets

Posted: 12/3/2016 8:59:34 PM

bobcatsquared wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Since you asked: From home just after I returned from Detroit. ;-)

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