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I think he's REALLY missing Treg as that second line of interior defense who could cover up his weaknesses and allow TC to play a little more timid to limit fouls and increase his minutes - which equates to more offense for us. But, at least Tone TRIES on defense. KK doesn't even fake it. The kid can be a good shooter, but what good does it do if you refuse to rebound and your guy scores 20 on you every night? Which leads me to, could we see a little more of Taylor or Carter on the floor with Campbell for their defense? Saul probably would be hesitant to play Taylor and Campbell at the same time because then you don't have a big to bring in for rest or foul trouble - but what about Jason Carter? Can he defend well enough? Is he ready as a freshman yet? Would Saul have the cajones to not start KK? Would KK be willing to be a bench scorer? I feel like this move could be the type to change the trajectory of our team into something special - otherwise I think we're looking at a good/decent MAC squad. Last Edited: 12/12/2016 11:55:22 PM by GraffZ06 Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,402 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/13/2016 2:21:14 PM  RSBobcat wrote: bshot44 wrote: bobcatsquared wrote: Ted Thompson wrote: But Tony absolutely refuses to fight for post position on defense. He allows easy passes into the post and then tries to rely on his great hands for strips and blocks. Which leads to easy buckets for the other team and foul trouble for Tony. Exactly. He needs to play tough D before his man gets the ball down low. By then it's too late - an easy shot or a TC foul or both. Fight for position, deny the entry pass, make your man get the ball where he doesn't want to get the ball. Deciding to play tough D after your man gets the ball where he wants it is too late. Good stuff. Been my gripe with AC all four years....just seems to lack that hard-nosed intensity (on both ends of court at times) that a lot of those guys from the 2012 team had. That was a gritty team....much like their coach (Groce) Seemed that Groce demanded that defense and toughness. Doesn't appear to be case with Saul so far. Is there a stat for "drawing fouls". What real in the paint studs do? Ken Pomeroy has a fouls drawn per 40 metric. Here's how Ohio stacks up: Taylor - 6.5 Campbell - 5.4 (ranks 304th nationally) Laster - 4.9 Simmons - 4.4 Carter - 4.1 Culver - 3.7 Dartis - 3.5 Block - 3.4 Kaminski - 2.1 Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,025 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/13/2016 2:50:20 PM  Ted Thompson wrote: RSBobcat wrote: bshot44 wrote: bobcatsquared wrote: Ted Thompson wrote: But Tony absolutely refuses to fight for post position on defense. He allows easy passes into the post and then tries to rely on his great hands for strips and blocks. Which leads to easy buckets for the other team and foul trouble for Tony. Exactly. He needs to play tough D before his man gets the ball down low. By then it's too late - an easy shot or a TC foul or both. Fight for position, deny the entry pass, make your man get the ball where he doesn't want to get the ball. Deciding to play tough D after your man gets the ball where he wants it is too late. Good stuff. Been my gripe with AC all four years....just seems to lack that hard-nosed intensity (on both ends of court at times) that a lot of those guys from the 2012 team had. That was a gritty team....much like their coach (Groce) Seemed that Groce demanded that defense and toughness. Doesn't appear to be case with Saul so far. Is there a stat for "drawing fouls". What real in the paint studs do? Ken Pomeroy has a fouls drawn per 40 metric. Here's how Ohio stacks up: Taylor - 6.5 Campbell - 5.4 (ranks 304th nationally) Laster - 4.9 Simmons - 4.4 Carter - 4.1 Culver - 3.7 Dartis - 3.5 Block - 3.4 Kaminski - 2.1 Years and years ago I used to love to get followed. Easy two points our team ever got. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/13/2016 2:54:49 PM  Ted Thompson wrote: RSBobcat wrote: bshot44 wrote: bobcatsquared wrote: Ted Thompson wrote: But Tony absolutely refuses to fight for post position on defense. He allows easy passes into the post and then tries to rely on his great hands for strips and blocks. Which leads to easy buckets for the other team and foul trouble for Tony. Exactly. He needs to play tough D before his man gets the ball down low. By then it's too late - an easy shot or a TC foul or both. Fight for position, deny the entry pass, make your man get the ball where he doesn't want to get the ball. Deciding to play tough D after your man gets the ball where he wants it is too late. Good stuff. Been my gripe with AC all four years....just seems to lack that hard-nosed intensity (on both ends of court at times) that a lot of those guys from the 2012 team had. That was a gritty team....much like their coach (Groce) Seemed that Groce demanded that defense and toughness. Doesn't appear to be case with Saul so far. Is there a stat for "drawing fouls". What real in the paint studs do? Ken Pomeroy has a fouls drawn per 40 metric. Here's how Ohio stacks up: Taylor - 6.5 Campbell - 5.4 (ranks 304th nationally) Laster - 4.9 Simmons - 4.4 Carter - 4.1 Culver - 3.7 Dartis - 3.5 Block - 3.4 Kaminski - 2.1 Using the game stats on OhioBobcats.com, last year Tony got to the line about 3 times a game. Thus far this season, it's about 4 per game. I've never looked at this before so I don't know how many a guy playing the 4 or 5 should be getting but I'd think it might be a little more than 4 per game. It also allowed me to look at free throw shooting percentages. If last year is an indicator, those numbers are going to improve. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/13/2016 3:05:46 PM  GraffZ06 wrote: J/C Tone's defensive limitations are well known. He's not good. I think he's REALLY missing Treg as that second line of interior defense who could cover up his weaknesses and allow TC to play a little more timid to limit fouls and increase his minutes - which equates to more offense for us. But, at least Tone TRIES on defense. KK doesn't even fake it. The kid can be a good shooter, but what good does it do if you refuse to rebound and your guy scores 20 on you every night? Which leads me to, could we see a little more of Taylor or Carter on the floor with Campbell for their defense? Saul probably would be hesitant to play Taylor and Campbell at the same time because then you don't have a big to bring in for rest or foul trouble - but what about Jason Carter? Can he defend well enough? Is he ready as a freshman yet? Would Saul have the cajones to not start KK? Would KK be willing to be a bench scorer? I feel like this move could be the type to change the trajectory of our team into something special - otherwise I think we're looking at a good/decent MAC squad. Honestly, depending on who we're playing, I really like the idea of Tony and Carter, then Taylor and Kaminski, playing as duo's. As you said, sort of, they would seem compliment each other in each case. I've seen a couple games where KK's defense, and his crashing the glass, were noticeable. He's more than just a spot up 3pt man, and he's shown it, but that's his obvious strong point. One other thing I'll say is that against quality bigs, if Tony is having a hard time with them in a given game, why not get Carter or Taylor more minutes alongside Tony? Coming up in the conference season, I see no reason why Taylor isn't playing at least 15 minutes guarding Isaiah Johnson, even if Tony isn't in foul trouble. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/14/2016 12:05:54 PM  Semi-serious question: If Tony has very good offensive skills and questionable defense wouldn't he make an excellent NBA player? The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,051 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/14/2016 12:17:02 PM  I'm not buYing that they don't play defense in the NBA. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/14/2016 12:33:36 PM  I'll admit that I don't watch much NBA basketball, but when I do I don't see much defense played. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 1,924 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/14/2016 1:18:34 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: I'll admit that I don't watch much NBA basketball, but when I do I don't see much defense played. They actually play quite a bit - it's just not consistent over an 82 game season. You'll see it for possessions, or even quarters or halves at a time during the regular season. But take a gander at playoff basketball when it actually matters. There's a whole heap of defense being played. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/14/2016 11:06:21 PM  GraffZ06 wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: I'll admit that I don't watch much NBA basketball, but when I do I don't see much defense played. They actually play quite a bit - it's just not consistent over an 82 game season. You'll see it for possessions, or even quarters or halves at a time during the regular season. But take a gander at playoff basketball when it actually matters. There's a whole heap of defense being played. I wonder if I could set up text alerts with ESPN to notify me when defense is being played. Something like this: "DEFENSE ALERT: The Cavs are reported to now be playing defense against the Nets. Watch ESPN2 to see it live!" The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 1,924 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/14/2016 11:23:12 PM  LOL. Who needs NFL RedZone channel when you can have the NBA Defense Alert channel :). Point remains - the good teams and the good players in that league can and do play some serious defense. I think you'd see a lot more of it on a more consistent basis if they reduced the schedule to 50ish games. 82 games * 48 minutes, combined with the travel, is just too much to ask of the body. Back to Top Bitchy Incognito General User Member Since: 12/31/2015 Post Count: 36 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/16/2016 2:34:07 PM  GraffZ06 wrote: But, at least Tone TRIES on defense. KK doesn't even fake it. The kid can be a good shooter, but what good does it do if you refuse to rebound and your guy scores 20 on you every night? Not saying Kenny will ever remind anyone of Bill Russell or Don Chaney or Eddie Hicks, but he had a nice blocked shot against Milwaukee and a nice steal against Marshall. The steal against the Herd was notable because he was obviously favoring his right shoulder in that game, so when he saw his opportunity he stole the ball with his left hand. I think he's trying. Back to Top Bobcat-7.0 General User Member Since: 12/19/2013 Post Count: 160 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/18/2016 1:42:37 AM  Now that Crackron beat the Turds... Can we panic? Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/18/2016 12:03:41 PM  Bobcat-7.0 wrote: Now that Crackron beat the Turds... Can we panic? Knock yourself out. Nevermind that they played them at home and Marshall didn't have the guy that killed us in the 2nd half. But feel free to panic if you must. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/18/2016 11:51:15 PM  OUVan wrote: Bobcat-7.0 wrote: Now that Crackron beat the Turds... Can we panic? Knock yourself out. Nevermind that they played them at home and Marshall didn't have the guy that killed us in the 2nd half. But feel free to panic if you must. Cheatum sure looked good. Johnson still gaining weight? RS Bobcat Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/19/2016 11:03:29 AM  RSBobcat wrote: OUVan wrote: Bobcat-7.0 wrote: Now that Crackron beat the Turds... Can we panic? Knock yourself out. Nevermind that they played them at home and Marshall didn't have the guy that killed us in the 2nd half. But feel free to panic if you must. Cheatum sure looked good. Johnson still gaining weight? I think Cheatham might be the most difficult match-up on their team. 6-9, can handle the ball decently, can shoot the three, and has the ability to play well in the post. Also fascinating as I look at their stat lines is that Johnson is the leading assist man on their team right now. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/19/2016 10:51:38 PM  I'm not panicking, but I am worried. We really, really need to beat WKU to get back on track. We seem to have gone into some kind of a funk recently. We don't seem to be playing with the same intensity that we did earlier in the season. Perhaps, it's the Holiday Doldrums that Eisenstein mentioned on a recent broadcast. Not sure I buy that, but I suppose it's possible. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/21/2016 11:23:06 PM  I'm not panicking, but I've recalibrated my expectations for the season. I've gone from expecting to at least make the tournament semis and competing for a regular season title to hoping we win most MAC home games. This team has the soft "life on the road" look of the 2006-2007 TOS team. That team had some good players capable of doing great things, but went 3-9 in true road games and got pounded by Fiami on the second day of the MAC tourney. Unless a ton of things change, that's pretty much the trajectory of this team. Back to Top Chicken George General User Member Since: 1/2/2005 Post Count: 762 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/22/2016 12:03:17 AM  I realize this is Saul-Ball/small ball, but I still think we have to get more athletic in recruiting at either the #3 or #4, or both. All stretch finesse guys whose game is shooting 3 pointers is no fun in crunch time, when you're not sizzling hot and when you need some tough late game buckets. Need an option of going to the hole and not all perimeter stuff. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/22/2016 12:13:15 PM  Chicken George wrote: I realize this is Saul-Ball/small ball, but I still think we have to get more athletic in recruiting at either the #3 or #4, or both. All stretch finesse guys whose game is shooting 3 pointers is no fun in crunch time, when you're not sizzling hot and when you need some tough late game buckets. Need an option of going to the hole and not all perimeter stuff. To a certain degree, I think there is some recruiting for that, though maybe not at the 4 spot as you mention. Zach Butler looks like a player that can get to the rim, as do Culver, Simmons, Dartis currently. In MAC play, I think KK can get to the rim against some guys, and I hope he does it more often. I'd love to study tape on games a little to compare this year over last year on the offensive end. I wonder if the ball might be "sticking" a little too long - maybe more than last year. This team was a great passing team sharing the ball a year ago. I'm not sure if that's still the same or not. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/22/2016 1:43:02 PM  Chicken George wrote: I realize this is Saul-Ball/small ball, but I still think we have to get more athletic in recruiting at either the #3 or #4, or both. All stretch finesse guys whose game is shooting 3 pointers is no fun in crunch time, when you're not sizzling hot and when you need some tough late game buckets. Need an option of going to the hole and not all perimeter stuff. I think part of it is we don't have a true 4 getting a lot of minutes. I would love to see more situations with Tony and Doug on the floor at the same time. KK is not a 4. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,320 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/22/2016 2:20:14 PM  OUVan wrote: Chicken George wrote: I realize this is Saul-Ball/small ball, but I still think we have to get more athletic in recruiting at either the #3 or #4, or both. All stretch finesse guys whose game is shooting 3 pointers is no fun in crunch time, when you're not sizzling hot and when you need some tough late game buckets. Need an option of going to the hole and not all perimeter stuff. I think part of it is we don't have a true 4 getting a lot of minutes. I would love to see more situations with Tony and Doug on the floor at the same time. KK is not a 4. Agreed. I've often thought they'd be better served with a combo of Campbell/Carter, then Taylor/Kaminski as something of a rotation. At the rate Tony has been picking up fouls, it might just make sense to develop this approach because it seems to me that both young guys could be the better two defenders. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/22/2016 2:51:27 PM  Doug Taylor seems like the only guy on this team who really loves it in the paint, and that's a major problem. Campbell is our best player and shooting above 50% so I hope this comes across as constructive criticism. When the going gets tough, I want to see him with the ball IN THE PAINT, and that hasn't happened. TC down low would lead to easy hoops or draw double teams that give open looks to KK, Dartis, Simmons, Block, etc. Right now, this team looks dynamic when the three is falling, and it quickly becomes stagnant the the threes stop. They dribble around the perimeter and take contested shots early in the clock, or wait too long and force shots as the clock is expiring. This team is really frustrating to watch right now. The raw talent is there to improve, but it keeps not happening game after game. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/23/2016 12:03:37 AM  OU_Country wrote: Also fascinating as I look at their stat lines is that Johnson is the leading assist man on their team right now. Posts Up Mid Paint to Close to the basket - and is great with that one handed pitch to open shooter on perimeter or slashing. RS Bobcat Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 1,924 Status: Offline     RE: Please Don't Panic!    Posted: 12/23/2016 12:12:04 PM  GraffZ06 wrote: J/C Tone's defensive limitations are well known. He's not good. I think he's REALLY missing Treg as that second line of interior defense who could cover up his weaknesses and allow TC to play a little more timid to limit fouls and increase his minutes - which equates to more offense for us. But, at least Tone TRIES on defense. KK doesn't even fake it. The kid can be a good shooter, but what good does it do if you refuse to rebound and your guy scores 20 on you every night? Which leads me to, could we see a little more of Taylor or Carter on the floor with Campbell for their defense? Saul probably would be hesitant to play Taylor and Campbell at the same time because then you don't have a big to bring in for rest or foul trouble - but what about Jason Carter? Can he defend well enough? Is he ready as a freshman yet? Would Saul have the cajones to not start KK? Would KK be willing to be a bench scorer? I feel like this move could be the type to change the trajectory of our team into something special - otherwise I think we're looking at a good/decent MAC squad. Bump. This....still. Back to Top Showing Replies:   26 - 50  of 62 Posts Jump to Page:   < Previous    1 | 2 | 3    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 403 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 403 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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