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Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 10/31/2016 6:08:42 PM  I don't know about health status. Recent fumble doesn't elevate him in the coaches' eyes, I'm sure. It's fair to question me on my holding up Irons as being potentially terrific. I went on two things. A little bit I went on his apparent size (big!) and speed. The other thing is that one of the regulars here pm'd me that one of the coaches stated that he has All-American ability. It's natural for our coaches our players. The coaches brought them in and want to believe their own powers of recruiting/analysis and want to keep the players believing in themselves. So, there's a bit of conflict of interest in what they say about the team and players, apparently. I mean, no one's heard much of our coaches knocking guys talent or effort, right? Then, there's the overall credibility of our coaches given their lack of achievement (deadhorse warning: record built on wins over cupcakes..hey, we can beat 1-7 Buffalo this week...and crashing losses to peer MAC teams over the last 4 years). I shouldn't have so whole-heartedly bought the Irons hope...not until proven more on the field. (I still believe that he should have gotten more opps to prove it or not on the field last season, though.) Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Bobcatzblitz General User Member Since: 7/21/2010 Post Count: 1,726 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 10/31/2016 6:12:45 PM  Irons is fine he was slowed by injury recently. He is only a r-sophmore and still regarded as the best upside of ANY Ohio back by coaches and his teammates. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,075 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 10/31/2016 6:32:51 PM  Irons has looked much improved when he has been healthy, unfortunately he has had a couple injuries. I haven't heard anything specific about this latest injury, but I'm sure we will see more of him this year “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,512 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 10/31/2016 7:17:01 PM  Bobcatzblitz wrote: Irons is fine he was slowed by injury recently. He is only a r-sophmore and still regarded as the best upside of ANY Ohio back by coaches and his teammates. I will agree with his upside, but he still hasn't learned to owner the shoulder and get the tough extra yards. Still looks to break every play for big yardage, yet that happens when you hit the hole hard and cut going down hill not laterally. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,052 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 10/31/2016 7:26:31 PM  My x's and o's guy at Peden agrees, Billy. Pad level, lowering the shoulders, is something Irons still needs to improve on. Back to Top Moving the chains General User Member Since: 11/6/2015 Post Count: 17 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 10/31/2016 8:58:39 PM  Let's not forget that Dorian too had a fumble on Thurs. Irons shoulder was knocked out and was still hurting last game. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,075 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 10/31/2016 9:07:41 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Bobcatzblitz wrote: Irons is fine he was slowed by injury recently. He is only a r-sophmore and still regarded as the best upside of ANY Ohio back by coaches and his teammates. I will agree with his upside, but he still hasn't learned to owner the shoulder and get the tough extra yards. Still looks to break every play for big yardage, yet that happens when you hit the hole hard and cut going down hill not laterally. I agree that this is an area where he still needs to improve, but to me it seems that he has improved in this regard from a year ago. He seems to be running lower, and with some forward lean this year, whereas a year ago he was more upright, and often got knocked down easily when he was in heavy traffic. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 10/31/2016 10:13:13 PM  L.C. wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Bobcatzblitz wrote: Irons is fine he was slowed by injury recently. He is only a r-sophmore and still regarded as the best upside of ANY Ohio back by coaches and his teammates. I will agree with his upside, but he still hasn't learned to owner the shoulder and get the tough extra yards. Still looks to break every play for big yardage, yet that happens when you hit the hole hard and cut going down hill not laterally. I agree that this is an area where he still needs to improve, but to me it seems that he has improved in this regard from a year ago. He seems to be running lower, and with some forward lean this year, whereas a year ago he was more upright, and often got knocked down easily when he was in heavy traffic. +1 he is one of our great back that needs to run a tad lower. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 10/31/2016 11:50:03 PM  If so, how can this be true mid-way into a guy's third year? Three years to learn to run lower, with pads down--seriously? There's something wrong here, either player or coaching...or both. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Valley Cat General User Member Since: 12/28/2004 Location: Jackson Twp., OH Post Count: 1,102 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/1/2016 7:05:21 AM  The kid has a ton of potential. I'm assuming health has to do with the fact that there is essentially no running back rotation. Playing in BC growing up has to make his learning curve to the Division 1 level a little steeper. Hopefully we start to see Irons and or Hardy give Dorian a break on occasion. He is doing a ton of work. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/1/2016 7:17:24 AM  allen wrote: L.C. wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Bobcatzblitz wrote: Irons is fine he was slowed by injury recently. He is only a r-sophmore and still regarded as the best upside of ANY Ohio back by coaches and his teammates. I will agree with his upside, but he still hasn't learned to owner the shoulder and get the tough extra yards. Still looks to break every play for big yardage, yet that happens when you hit the hole hard and cut going down hill not laterally. I agree that this is an area where he still needs to improve, but to me it seems that he has improved in this regard from a year ago. He seems to be running lower, and with some forward lean this year, whereas a year ago he was more upright, and often got knocked down easily when he was in heavy traffic. +1 he is one of our great back that needs to run a tad lower. Sometimes we fans ask for the moon. We have a fairly fast 6', 224# RB. Remember, to get something you have to give something. No doubt they have worked on lower, but, as you get the bigger, stronger and faster often the lower is given. Be quick, be low, sometimes it is one or the other not both. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/1/2016 7:49:13 AM  Valley Cat wrote: The kid has a ton of potential. I'm assuming health has to do with the fact that there is essentially no running back rotation. Playing in BC growing up has to make his learning curve to the Division 1 level a little steeper. Hopefully we start to see Irons and or Hardy give Dorian a break on occasion. He is doing a ton of work. Irons has put in work, you may not like him. Irons has played through injuries and could have easily put together 3 100 yard games. Dorian and Maleek instill fear in opposing defenses, they have faced eight man fronts all year, until Toledo, where our deep ball caused Toledo to take two out the box. I am proud of all of our backs, including Irons. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top colobobcat66 General User Member Since: 9/1/2006 Location: Watching the bobcats run outside my window., CO Post Count: 4,164 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/1/2016 10:10:34 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: I don't know about health status. Recent fumble doesn't elevate him in the coaches' eyes, I'm sure. It's fair to question me on my holding up Irons as being potentially terrific. I went on two things. A little bit I went on his apparent size (big!) and speed. The other thing is that one of the regulars here pm'd me that one of the coaches stated that he has All-American ability. It's natural for our coaches our players. The coaches brought them in and want to believe their own powers of recruiting/analysis and want to keep the players believing in themselves. So, there's a bit of conflict of interest in what they say about the team and players, apparently. I mean, no one's heard much of our coaches knocking guys talent or effort, right? Then, there's the overall credibility of our coaches given their lack of achievement (deadhorse warning: record built on wins over cupcakes..hey, we can beat 1-7 Buffalo this week...and crashing losses to peer MAC teams over the last 4 years). I shouldn't have so whole-heartedly bought the Irons hope...not until proven more on the field. (I still believe that he should have gotten more opps to prove it or not on the field last season, though.) You do all you can to say the coaches are terrible. You backed irons because he wasn't playing much and you could say the coaches don't know what they're doing. Irons is a good back, we all love him, but we don't use anything we can to undermine the coaches credibility. Just part of your crusade. Back to Top Mark Lembright '85 General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Highland Heights, OH Post Count: 2,447 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/1/2016 10:55:47 AM  Will Irons be able to play in the Buffalo game? Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,075 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/1/2016 11:14:00 AM  Some thought he was ready to be the starter a year ago, but others thought that, while he had talent, he needed time to adjust to Division I. He has continued to improve, and it seems to me that the coaches have a pretty good handle on what he needs to do to get better, and when he is not hurt, they are getting him enough carries for him to continue to progress. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,316 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/1/2016 11:33:49 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: I don't know about health status. Recent fumble doesn't elevate him in the coaches' eyes, I'm sure. It's fair to question me on my holding up Irons as being potentially terrific. I went on two things. A little bit I went on his apparent size (big!) and speed. The other thing is that one of the regulars here pm'd me that one of the coaches stated that he has All-American ability. It's natural for our coaches our players. The coaches brought them in and want to believe their own powers of recruiting/analysis and want to keep the players believing in themselves. So, there's a bit of conflict of interest in what they say about the team and players, apparently. BEEEEP BEEEEP BEEEEP BEEEEP Back to Top Valley Cat General User Member Since: 12/28/2004 Location: Jackson Twp., OH Post Count: 1,102 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/1/2016 7:13:55 PM  allen wrote: Valley Cat wrote: The kid has a ton of potential. I'm assuming health has to do with the fact that there is essentially no running back rotation. Playing in BC growing up has to make his learning curve to the Division 1 level a little steeper. Hopefully we start to see Irons and or Hardy give Dorian a break on occasion. He is doing a ton of work. Irons has put in work, you may not like him. Irons has played through injuries and could have easily put together 3 100 yard games. Dorian and Maleek instill fear in opposing defenses, they have faced eight man fronts all year, until Toledo, where our deep ball caused Toledo to take two out the box. I am proud of all of our backs, including Irons. I love Irons and want to see more of him. His health is key to finishing the season strong. Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,630 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/1/2016 9:59:42 PM  Valley Cat wrote: allen wrote: Valley Cat wrote: The kid has a ton of potential. I'm assuming health has to do with the fact that there is essentially no running back rotation. Playing in BC growing up has to make his learning curve to the Division 1 level a little steeper. Hopefully we start to see Irons and or Hardy give Dorian a break on occasion. He is doing a ton of work. Irons has put in work, you may not like him. Irons has played through injuries and could have easily put together 3 100 yard games. Dorian and Maleek instill fear in opposing defenses, they have faced eight man fronts all year, until Toledo, where our deep ball caused Toledo to take two out the box. I am proud of all of our backs, including Irons. I love Irons and want to see more of him. His health is key to finishing the season strong. +1 Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/2/2016 10:38:51 AM  I will repeat: Running back, heck football in general, is not so difficult that it should take so very long to learn. The thought that it could take 2.5 years or longer to learn to run lower to the ground is simply laughable. If we can't get it done in 2.5 years, then there's a problem. A very big and fundamental problem. I'm sure that teaching this one simple thing is so complicated that it would take a genius such as Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to get it done. I'll buy that people disagree with me on other stuff. But this one is ludicrous. I won't come close to believing it. If it takes 2.5 years, heck it may take six years...and never happen. There is no one on this board who couldn't get it done over half a season. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/2/2016 11:17:02 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: I will repeat: Running back, heck football in general, is not so difficult that it should take so very long to learn. The thought that it could take 2.5 years or longer to learn to run lower to the ground is simply laughable. If we can't get it done in 2.5 years, then there's a problem. A very big and fundamental problem. I'm sure that teaching this one simple thing is so complicated that it would take a genius such as Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to get it done. I'll buy that people disagree with me on other stuff. But this one is ludicrous. I won't come close to believing it. If it takes 2.5 years, heck it may take six years...and never happen. There is no one on this board who couldn't get it done over half a season. Monroe, again, your lack of actual experience with the game. Sometimes we fans ask for the moon. We have a fairly fast 6', 224# RB. Remember, to get something you have to give something. No doubt they have worked on lower, but, as you get the bigger, stronger and faster often the lower is given. Be quick, be low, sometimes it is one or the other not both. Your absolute certainty on many things is often based upon assumptions based upon misinformation or incomplete information. Besides, Google the top college backs, most of those who are 6' have the same issue. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/2/2016 11:22:05 AM  I thought it was interesting to see Irons in for one play--used as a decoy. That was the play where Papi got to the Toledo 4 yard line. It was called back on a blocking penalty. That play, if it stood, would have iced the game for Ohio (assuming we score from the 4 yard line). Why was Irons used only as a decoy? Is he still injured? On a side note, the penalty was totally unnecessary. Big lineman (can't remember who) cuts a DB below the waist. It was away from the play. The DB had no real chance to stop the play. The lineman outsized the DB by so much, it was even more unnecessary. Why cut someone like that when you outweigh him by 75-100 pounds? Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,075 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/2/2016 11:36:11 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: I will repeat: Running back, heck football in general, is not so difficult that it should take so very long to learn. The thought that it could take 2.5 years or longer to learn to run lower to the ground is simply laughable. If we can't get it done in 2.5 years, then there's a problem. A very big and fundamental problem. I'm sure that teaching this one simple thing is so complicated that it would take a genius such as Nick Saban or Urban Meyer to get it done. I'll buy that people disagree with me on other stuff. But this one is ludicrous. I won't come close to believing it. If it takes 2.5 years, heck it may take six years...and never happen. There is no one on this board who couldn't get it done over half a season. You have made some outrageous posts in your day, Monroe, but this is pretty special. It's so absurd, I have to wonder if it's intended to be satire? In any case, I'm quoting it in it's entirety to preserve it for posterity. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Cats-22 General User Member Since: 9/30/2006 Post Count: 369 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/2/2016 11:42:03 AM  Robert Fox wrote: I thought it was interesting to see Irons in for one play--used as a decoy. That was the play where Papi got to the Toledo 4 yard line. It was called back on a blocking penalty. That play, if it stood, would have iced the game for Ohio (assuming we score from the 4 yard line). Why was Irons used only as a decoy? Is he still injured? On a side note, the penalty was totally unnecessary. Big lineman (can't remember who) cuts a DB below the waist. It was away from the play. The DB had no real chance to stop the play. The lineman outsized the DB by so much, it was even more unnecessary. Why cut someone like that when you outweigh him by 75-100 pounds? That was a frustrating penalty but I wouldn't be too hard on the player. Isn't that a recent rule change that that block is illegal? Unless I'm mistaken cut blocking has been historically used by OLs vs. the second level a lot and those would all be cases where the blocker outweighs the defender. (Edit: I'm not sure I remember the play correctly. Was the illegal part that the OL was blocking from the side, or that he was blocking back toward the LOS? It's the toward the LOS aspect that was the rule change language added in 2013 says "4. Players not covered in paragraph 1 (above) may not block below the waist toward the original position of the ball at the snap.") In this case, the way I remember it is that the blocker was facing away from the play (hard for the OL to tell that the defender couldn't still make the tackle), and the defender was facing the blocker -- so it wasn't dirty. To be contrasted with, say, the cut block on Idris Lawrence that ended his Ohio career. Which still infuriates me when I think about it. Last Edited: 11/2/2016 12:07:53 PM by Cats-22 Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,316 Status: Offline     RE: Munroe's boy Irons    Posted: 11/2/2016 11:49:44 AM  Cats-22 wrote: Robert Fox wrote: I thought it was interesting to see Irons in for one play--used as a decoy. That was the play where Papi got to the Toledo 4 yard line. It was called back on a blocking penalty. That play, if it stood, would have iced the game for Ohio (assuming we score from the 4 yard line). Why was Irons used only as a decoy? Is he still injured? On a side note, the penalty was totally unnecessary. Big lineman (can't remember who) cuts a DB below the waist. It was away from the play. The DB had no real chance to stop the play. The lineman outsized the DB by so much, it was even more unnecessary. Why cut someone like that when you outweigh him by 75-100 pounds? That was a frustrating penalty but I wouldn't be too hard on the player. Isn't that a recent rule change that that block is illegal? Cut blocking has been historically used by OLs vs. the second level a lot and those would all be cases where the blocker outweighs the defender. In this case, the blocker was facing away from the play (hard for the OL to tell that the defender couldn't still make the tackle), and the defender was facing the blocker -- so it wasn't dirty. To be contrasted with, say, the cut block on Idris Lawrence that ended his Ohio career. Which still infuriates me when I think about it. was that the cheap shot by CMU in the MAC title game? I remember that one...I couldn't believe how dirty and deliberate that was and how LITTLE the announcers made of it. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 51 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2 | 3    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 135 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 135 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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