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Topic: RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Topic: RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

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GoCats105
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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 6/23/2016 10:19:47 AM

Ohio69 wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Allen,my question is whether, when a student declares a major,the university has a responsibility to tell them the opportunities available to them ,directly related to that degree.

I think they do.

The Google can tell someone the opportunities and earnings potential of any career. This is not big secret. Do your homework.

I find it hard to believe someone majoring in music or a fine art or social work or etc. doesn't already know that is not the path to riches.

We had professors in our Sports Mgmt classes telling us we probably (1) weren't going to find a job in our field when we got out and (2) if we did it was going to be paid very little, if anything. A lot of us knew what we were getting into whether the profs told us or whether we did our own research.

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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 6/23/2016 12:36:18 PM

rpbobcat, did you really say "they all said they were sold a bill of goods" regarding their college degree? That seems pretty outrageous and sounds like they don't like to take responsibility for their actions.

Last Edited: 6/23/2016 12:36:53 PM by giacomo

rpbobcat
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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 6/23/2016 1:18:00 PM

giacomo wrote:

They all said something to that effect.

There is no question that you have a certain degree of responsibility for your actions, especially when its easy to research any topic on line.

But I also feel that,when a college offers a degree program,they too have a responsibility to let a prospective student know what that degree can be used for.

Alan Swank
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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 6/23/2016 3:41:25 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

Allen,my question is whether, when a student declares a major,the university has a responsibility to tell them the opportunities available to them ,directly related to that degree.

I think they do.

From page 5 of the current OU Parent's Guide to Earning an A&S Degree that is passed out during pre-college:

4. While academic advisors are a valuable source of knowledge, they cannot be expected to select courses, plan schedules, or make academic decisions for students. IMPORTANT: The University's policy states that it is the student's responsibility to know and meet all requirements for graduation.

Alan Swank
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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 6/23/2016 7:18:30 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

giacomo wrote:

On the other hand doesn't a parent have a similar responsibilty?

High school student: I want to go to college XYZ.

Parent: What do you want to study?

Student: Classical languages

Parent: When you graduate, what will you do with that degree?

Student: I don't know, but that's what I want to study.

Parent: OK, let me sign that FASFA and those college loan papers. Can someone turn up the sound on the Cavs game. Thank God you're going to OU and not Miami.

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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 6/24/2016 7:17:09 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

rpbobcat wrote:

giacomo wrote:

No question the parents have a similar responsibility.
Its amazing how some parents have to go every one of their kids activities,but take a "pass" when it comes to one of the most important decisions their child will make.

Alan Swank
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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 6/26/2016 10:24:37 AM

Related to our discussion, this article in today's Dispatch is particularly disturbing. Almost 70% of the 44 colleges surveyed in Ohio fail to graduate 1/3 of their students in six years. In my mind, the single biggest factor is driving up the cost of college is the easy availability of so called "financial aid." Unfortunately many students get the aid and acquire the debt without getting a degree.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/06/26/...

DelBobcat
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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 7/5/2016 12:43:38 PM

You know... I used to come to this site and see thoughtful, intelligent discussion on any number of topics related to OU (and some topics completely unrelated). However, recently it seems that there is a proliferation of users that think they have all the answers and love to use anecdotal experiences to prove it.

What I know about this topic:

It's very complex. There are many reasons that the price of education continues to balloon. There is also a lot of misinformation out there and assumptions being made. I would be naive to think that my personal experience, or my limited knowledge of the issue, provided enough context assert that I know the truth.

In fact, that is the great thing that I took away from my Ohio University education. That I actually know very little about most things--and the more I learn the more I realize that I know very little. With that being said, I think these links provide some meaningful perspectives on the issue from people that know far more than I do:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/13/magazine/is-college-tui...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/07/co... /

http://www.wsj.com/articles/college-too-expensive-thats-a...

Also, my opinion on the value of a liberal arts education is that it is extremely valuable. Reasonable people can disagree, but I find it hard to believe that any Bobcat can disagree with that statement. The fact that I learned so much outside of my narrowly focused major is what made Ohio University truly special. It's an experience that is not replicated at OSU or other state schools in Ohio that I'm aware of and it is one that has proved rewarding over and over again, in both my professional and personal life.

Last Edited: 7/5/2016 12:45:36 PM by DelBobcat

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Alan Swank
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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 7/6/2016 7:22:35 PM

DelBobcat wrote:

Lamar's article is a joke. It's because of the easy availability of cash that 1) prices are so high and 2) people are so far in debt. It's no different than the house loans that led to that crash. Even a guy with a Muskingum liberal arts education can tell you that - for a fact.

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RE: Vedder cited in MAC student fee discussion

Posted: 7/8/2016 9:23:52 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

Alan, I prefer to look at it that 1/3 of the students failed to graduate in six years.

Last Edited: 7/8/2016 9:24:19 AM by giacomo

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