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Topic: RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

Topic: RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

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Mike Johnson
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RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

Posted: 4/27/2016 8:59:00 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

There ARE options for a "cheap" education out there. No "extras" you just go in, learn, go home. Ohio University offers the college experience. And it offers it as well as anyone, IMO. [/QUOTE]

This is an interesting point. Two questions, what exactly is the college experience for the average student at OU and is that an outdated expectation? I had a great time in college as I'm sure many on here did but is that really a sustainable experience in this day and age?

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Good question, Alan. We know that while students are taking on larger debt loads, some state-assisted universities are experiencing declining or stagnant enrollments. We also know that in recent years an average of 7-8 private colleges are closing (WSJ article).

My thinking? Behemoth state-assisted universities - Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Arizona State, etc - will endure. Some smaller schools including Ohio have a chance to endure if led/managed creatively and strongly. Elite private schools will endure.

I grew up in a cloistered small town. Going to OU opened my eyes and thinking to different people with different beliefs. That's still the case for many students - as their parents and grandparents well know. Our nation's future will be brighter if somehow, someway a goodly number of universities and colleges manage to endure.

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Alan Swank
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RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

Posted: 4/27/2016 9:47:58 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Two questions, what exactly is the college experience for the average student at OU and is that an outdated expectation? I had a great time in college as I'm sure many on here did but is that really a sustainable experience in this day and age?

It is if people are willing to pay for it. Apparently, applications are increasing so athletic expenses don't seem to be a problem, at least not a problem that deters incoming freshmen.

What I meant Robert was the college experience separate from athletics - enrolling, going to class or not, spending time uptown or not, going to every fest or not, engaging with professors or not. When we talk about the college experience, what exactly is it?

Robert Fox
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RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

Posted: 4/27/2016 10:41:28 AM

Alan,
I think the answer is somewhat intangible, "you know it when you see it" kind of thing, or maybe more accurately "you know it when it's missing." Beyond the classroom, the college experience includes so many seemingly trivial things: living on your own, scheduling your time, talking professionally with adults, being away from your mom or dad who often do too much for you to begin with, dealing with people from new places and who bring a whole different approach to most everything, from studying to the way they brush their teeth. Dealing with roommates, odors, who's sweeping the floor? and dealing with a noisy neighbor. Partitioning class time, party time, study time, recreation time, visiting home time. Taking part, getting involved in new things you didn't even know existed. Gaining empathy for others, the struggles they face, and on and on and on.

To me, the lack of these things, and more, are a major drawback to the online education trend and to commuter schools in general. These things are a substantial part of "the college experience." They are not absolutely necessary. You can get a very good education in so many places, community colleges, online universities, etc. But the whole package is heavily influenced by the students total experience.

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RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

Posted: 4/27/2016 11:09:37 AM

I just had a long talk about this with a client yesterday.

He has 3 daughters.He set up college funds for all three. They've all been told, since day one,that any costs beyond that fund are their responsibility.

His one daughter is very bright and wants to be a vet.

She got accepted to every school she applied to and decided on WVU.

She and her dad went back down there last weekend to start the admission process.

After they got there she told him that she'd been thinking about college for a while and changed her mind about WVU. She decided she'd rather forgo the "college experience" for now,keep living home for 1-2 years and take her "core" courses at a local college.
After that she said she'll transfer for her last 2 years.

She said this would let her come out of college pretty much debt free.

She said she made her decision in part on the fact that her older sister chose the "college experience" (big school,living away from home,not working during school) and will come out heavily in debt.

His only regret.
She didn't make her mind until they drove 12 hours or so to WVU.

Alan Swank
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RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

Posted: 4/27/2016 12:18:39 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Thoughtful answer Robert but after reading the post from RP after yours, I have to ask whether all of those things are only attainable through an on campus college experience and maybe more importantly, are they worth the cost of $100,000 or more?

Robert Fox
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RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

Posted: 4/27/2016 1:12:41 PM

To be fair, Alan, the cost difference is limited to the "living expenses" portion of the cost of education. At OU, that's a little over $12k per year. Is it worth that cost? That's the question.

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RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

Posted: 4/27/2016 1:41:44 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

His one daughter is very bright and wants to be a vet.

She got accepted to every school she applied to and decided on WVU.

She and her dad went back down there last weekend to start the admission process.

After they got there she told him that she'd been thinking about college for a while and changed her mind about WVU. She decided she'd rather forgo the "college experience" for now,keep living home for 1-2 years and take her "core" courses at a local college.
After that she said she'll transfer for her last 2 years.

She said this would let her come out of college pretty much debt free.

Financially that's a pretty reasonable decision, but its not entirely risk free: if she still wants to go to vet school at the end of it she'd better have a 4.0 her first two years (and pretty close to one her last two years) and volunteer heavily at vet clinics/hospitals in her area throughout. Getting into vet school is highly competitive, and having 2 years of junior college on one's transcript might (and I stress might) serve as a competitive disadvantage, all else being equal.

giacomo
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RE: EMU Faculty, Students: Drop Out Of Division 1 Football

Posted: 5/2/2016 4:53:03 PM

Eastern has always had poor attendance. When we played them in hoops they barely had 100 people in the stands in 1980. I also attended a football game vs Ohio in 1982 or 83, same thing. What is the cost/value proposition if the students don't care? I agree that athletics add something to the experience, much like theater and music, but Eastern doesn't belong in D1 with all the expenses. D2 maybe and certainly drop football.

Last Edited: 5/2/2016 4:53:21 PM by giacomo

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