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Monroe Slavin
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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/1/2016 3:50:22 AM

L.C. wrote:

Monroe Slavin wrote:

What MAC guys are likely to be drafted?

Here are a couple articles that guess at the answer to your question:
http://ngscsports.com/2016/01/24/top-2016-nfl-draft-prosp... /
http://optimumscouting.com/uncategorized/2976.html

Roger Lewis, WR, BG, 3rd to 4th round
Jatavias Brown, LB, Akron, 3rd to 4th round
Willie Beavers, OT, WMU, 3rd to 4th round
Tajae Sharpe, WR, UMass, 4th-5th round
Daniel Braverman, WR, WMU, 4th-5th round
Alex Huettel, OG, BG, 5th round
Darryl Monroe, ILB, Akron, 5th-6th round
Jordan Williams, WR, Ball State, 5th-6th round
Matt Johnson, QB, BG, projected 6th round
Alonzo Russell, WR, Toledo, projected 7th round
Travis Greene, RB, BG, projected 7th round
Trent Voss, OLB, Toledo, projected 7th round

BG - loses 4
Akron, WMU, Toledo - lose 2
UMass, Ball State - lose 1

Apparently 6 MAC guys were drafted.

I take the above 'predictions' as more of a summary of others opinions than of your projection, L.C.

Nonetheless, it's heartening to know that in a league with very little top talent that our revered coaching staff can bring in zero titles in 11 years...but still get whomp-ass whupped 3-4 times a year.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/1/2016 5:31:54 AM

Signed with Detroit.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/1/2016 3:26:40 PM

I don't follow the pro draft all that closely, but didn't the MAC have the number one overall draft pick just a few years ago? Also, on a related topic, didn't the MAC have more players than any other conference except the SEC in a Super Bowl about five years ago? I wouldn't bad-mouth the talent in the MAC with too broad a brush stroke. Just saying . . .

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/1/2016 7:48:30 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

It's called coincidence. If you go the Kevin Bacon route, anyone can eventually be the top dog.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/2/2016 12:05:38 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

It's called coincidence. If you go the Kevin Bacon route, anyone can eventually be the top dog.

Really, so expect the Sunbelt to have similar bragging rights in the not too distant future? ;-)

Last Edited: 5/2/2016 12:14:17 PM by OhioCatFan

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/2/2016 2:00:23 AM

Do present your case that the MAC is loaded with talent and a totally solid conference, then.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/2/2016 11:54:29 AM

Monroe, why are you basing your conclusions about MAC talent on one draft? Why not look at the broader picture? The league has had much better drafts in the past 10 years than this year. Plus, the NFL draft is only one metric re judging a leagues strength. Going by this year's draft, one would conclude OSU had the best team in the country, but that was clearly not so this year.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/2/2016 12:09:09 PM

Some people look at facts and try to draw conclusions from them. Others start with conclusions, and then search for selective facts that might support their conclusions.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/2/2016 12:18:55 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

Sir. Respectfully, you are attempting to communicate with a poster who will not read your post to understand, but, only to reply. Good luck with that.

Last Edited: 5/2/2016 8:00:25 PM by Bcat2

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/2/2016 5:06:06 PM

I read the other days that 29% of nfl rosters are undrafed free agents. The browns brought in about 30 last year and kept quite a few. A lot of MAC guys will make practice squads and some will make it as free agents. Decent corners always have a good chance of sticking around.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/2/2016 11:03:33 PM

Frankly, I'm not surprised that the MAC has so few draftees. The big boys get 95% of the 4 and 5 star guys with the most talent. You can get lucky with an under the radar guy and you can coach up the guys you get, but the system is rigged against the little guys as certain politicians like to say. When you consider that the P-5 has members who had no one drafted, you shouldn't expect the MAC to have that many. I hear the guys on the radio talk about how hard it is today to miss the top prospects with all the information available today. And yet the #2 pick was FCS. There's always hope.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/3/2016 2:50:26 PM

L.C. wrote:

Some people look at facts and try to draw conclusions from them. Others start with conclusions, and then search for selective facts that might support their conclusions.

Then, please make the case, based mostly in facts, that the MAC is a good conference, stuffs the NFL draft, and supplies plenty of players to the NFL, with many of those players being notable.

In a given year aren't there close to 1300 roster spots in the NFL? (Also, consider that a team may shuffle its roster such that a 40 man roster could state well over 40 people on it over the course of a season.)

I'm willing...so make the case.

Or is this more of 'we believe it, so it's so'?

Last Edited: 5/3/2016 2:51:16 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/3/2016 4:39:48 PM

The Mac is what it is, a G5 conference in a P5 world. The competitiveness of the Mac ebbs and flows over time. In the late 1990's and early 2000's it was pretty competitive at the top, but had a wide disparity, and the bottom teams were poor. In the first decade of this century the bottom of the Mac got better and the top got worse, and overall the Mac began to threaten to surpasses the sunbelt as the worst conference.

Over the last five years the Mac has improved dramatically, especially at the top, and once again the top Mac teams are competitive with P5 teams. Is the talent level the same as P5 teams? Certainly not, but every year some Mac players are drafted, and many others sign free agent contracts. The Mac is clearly better than the Sunbelt, and may be better than CUSA. It would be interesting to see draft data for these three conferences over the last five years.

2016 wasn't a great year for the Mac, but the last few have all been good, and I think the trend has been up. Several things, however, might change that in the future, as there seems to be increasing separation between P5 and G5.

Last Edited: 5/5/2016 7:48:23 AM by L.C.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/3/2016 6:09:34 PM

Monroe, a 40 man roster is baseball. But hey never let facts get in your way.

An NFL roster is 53, with 46 dressing each week, and a club can keep an additional 10 on the practice squad. Maybe you should keep to designing dog toys.

Monroe Slavin
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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/3/2016 11:30:12 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Nice animosity.

That means that there are roughly close to 2000 roster spots each year. How many MAC players make rosters...on rosters now.

Aren't baseball rosters--well, active squads--25 guys? Maybe 40 are protected in some way so 'on the roster' in that sense.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/4/2016 12:01:07 PM

Looking at draft numbers is misleading unto itself, and as any accountant or market researcher can attest, numbers can be made to prove different views. But let's look at some numbers anyway. The Power Conferences had 183 draft picks this year. That is down from 200 last year. They had 172 in 2014. But the P5 are dominated by a few schools. For example, the Big 10 had 47 picks this year, but 47% came from 3 schools. The SEC had 54 draftees this year, 47% came from 4 schools. So are picks reflecting of their conference or specific "engine" schools? The ACC went from 47 last year to 27 this year. However, Louisville went from 11 picks to 1 and FSU went from 11 to 2 (both turned their lineups over to younger players this past year).

Over the same period, the MAC had 8 picks in 2014, 4 in 2015, 6 this year. The leading non P5 conferences over the same period had a total of 49 picks in 2014, 34 in 2015, and 38 this year. Does that mean these conferences had better players this year than last, but not nearly as many good players as 2014? Or is it a reflection of the P5 being down in 2014?

Again, numbers are what they are and can be presented to make almost any argument. Some will yak, yak, yak about how after 11 years, yak, we should have multiple picks a year (Purdue, Iowa, Oregon State, would agree). Others will yip, yip, yip about how we went from 4 picks last year to 6 this year, so we are 50% stronger as a conference.

Just thought I would share numbers - that mean very little.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/4/2016 12:36:48 PM

I'm wondering if we are missing another statistic: How many MAC players are choosing NOT to perform at "pro day" or make it known they aren't really interested in the NFL given the recently revealed CTE/concussion connection. Does anyone have info on the level of preparedness of MAC football players to actually get a non-football job instead of trying to get a spot on a roster in the NFL versus the P5? I like to think the Student Athletes of the MAC aren't pressured as much to take a major in "basket weaving" as they are at the P5 Football Factories and are better prepared for a non-football career but I could be mistaken. Another confounding premise is that MAC players know their talent level is unlikely to gain them an NFL roster spot. Does this in turn force them to pay more attention to their studies because it's unlikely the NFL will come-a-knockin' and they'll be looking for a job with the rest of us?

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/4/2016 2:21:17 PM

cc-cat wrote:

That's not quite right.

First, you picked only a two year period. So you yourself placed a limit that yields data that can vary greatly for being such a brief sample.

Even so, the point still appears from this brief sample that the MAC is a minor conference.

I know it takes time to put together this type of analysis but also the number/round of each pick should be included. I'll bet the MAC has very few picks in the first, say, three rounds.

L.C.--Your assessment seems solid. But it's opinion, not facts. Don't take that as a kick at you. I'm merely pointing out that, while I value what you wrote, it doesn't meet the fact-based standard that gets us away from 'I believe in our coaches so that settles it' type of locked-in-place opinion.

I have to think that there are only a few players of the caliber which the NFL will seriously consider who quit the game because of concussion concerns. Yes, there are surely a few. But I don't think that the number is significant.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/4/2016 2:28:08 PM

Yes Monroe - as I commented - most are useless numbers - no matter how may years we take (The three I took or more) - agree first few rounds are more interesting - Also sure that the "engine" school effect holds true across any number of years and holds true for top three rounds as well. Finally, we all agree that the Mac is a minor conference. Does anyone really dispute that point?

Last Edited: 5/4/2016 2:30:41 PM by cc-cat

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/4/2016 6:43:13 PM

I think we would all agree that the Mac is a minor conference, and even among the G5 that they rank below the AAC and the MWC. A better question is how they rank compared to the Sunbelt and CUSA. To me they are comparable to CUSA and better than the Sunbelt.

Monroe, I'm well aware that what I gave was just opinion. Normally I would have supported it with facts but I don't have time to do that at the moment.

Last Edited: 5/5/2016 7:49:08 AM by L.C.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/5/2016 8:22:52 AM

What ever happened to Ian Wells?

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

L.C.
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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/5/2016 12:58:58 PM

Ohio69 wrote:

What ever happened to Ian Wells?

Hooligan wrote:

Signed with Detroit.

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RE: Ian Wells

Posted: 5/5/2016 1:06:47 PM

Cool. Just found this.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2016/05/05/ia... /

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Last Edited: 5/5/2016 1:08:44 PM by Ohio69

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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