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Topic: RE: #FireSolich

Topic: RE: #FireSolich

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The Situation
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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/27/2015 11:28:58 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

I don't care what WMU is doing to Toledo, we should not lose by 5 touchdowns to anybody. Here we go with the moral victories again.

So sorry if the young men let you down. Perhaps you could become a Missouri football fan. Or you could just let go of some baggage you seem to have a death grip on.

Or Bcat2 could be honest enough to state his or her affiliation with football program at OHIO UNIVERSITY so that we could fairly understand the basis of his/her viewpoint.

I don't know who Bcat2 is, but their affiliation to Ohio University is no more relevant to the necessary termination of Frank Solich than the profit loss statement of your travel pet bag company.

(You know, the profit loss statement that would allow us to fairly understand the basis of your viewpoint that you're fit to be in charge of any consumer product)

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/27/2015 11:50:21 PM

The team was trending up and now it appears to be floundering. We went from the bottom to MAC East champs and now middle of the pack. The win against NIU could be a booster shot for next year.

Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/27/2015 11:58:36 PM

allen wrote:

The team was trending up and now it appears to be floundering. We went from the bottom to MAC East champs and now middle of the pack. The win against NIU could be a booster shot for next year.

allen the official denier of success or positive trending. By the way when was the last time Ohio beat teams with winning records?

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 12:23:23 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

I don't care what WMU is doing to Toledo, we should not lose by 5 touchdowns to anybody. Here we go with the moral victories again.

So sorry if the young men let you down. Perhaps you could become a Missouri football fan. Or you could just let go of some baggage you seem to have a death grip on.

Or Bcat2 could be honest enough to state his or her affiliation with football program at OHIO UNIVERSITY so that we could fairly understand the basis of his/her viewpoint.

What if he actually doesn't have any such affiliation?

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 3:47:31 AM

That is fine OCF. Then that should be explicitly and honestly stated.

But you know as well as I do...and, Situation, you should be aware of this...that he or she has about never in a lengthy history here posted a comment that is less than 100% supportive of the program. In fact, if one was a paid member of the publicity staff of Ohio Athletics, one's posts would be less effusive than Bcat2's.

It's so slanted as to raise a legitimate question of motivation.

Some of us post here under our real name and with reasonable objectivity. Some don't.

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 6:50:15 AM

We are 2-12 over the last four years against MAC teams with a winning record. That does not constitute a program on the rise, especially with one of those victories coming against Akron. I hope the NIU victory is a start of things to come in the future. I am not a denier, just not a liar.

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 7:57:53 AM

allen wrote:

Let go of that baggage. Your knuckles are white with the death grip you have on it. The players deserve better from their "fans." Oh, and with your omission of good wins like Marshall, Penn State, Louisiana-Monroe in the Independence Bowl you deny by omission success of the players. You are denying their hard earned progress. Who brought the term "liar" to the discussion? Oh, you did. Well, again if it fits with by omission you might have just made a Freudian slip.

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 8:25:35 AM

Bobcat2, God bless you. Some players will move on to the NFL and they will be accountable for their team's record and their own individual performance, most colleges prepare them with the same time of atmosphere. For instance, Ohio State won the national championship last year and the fans are upset that they loss to a one loss Michigan State team on the road this year. The fans are letting Urban Meyer have it, because that is how they felt, Toledo fans are upset as well. They have great expectations like I have for the cats. Coddlers like you are not the norm. I hope you understand that this is coming from a place of love. You have to get real.

Last Edited: 11/28/2015 8:30:52 AM by allen

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 8:32:58 AM

allen wrote:

especially with one of those victories coming against Akron.

One of the things I find most interesting about the anti-Solich crowd is their dependence on hand-picking data to support their theories.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 8:38:02 AM

I am not anti-Solich. I like Solich, read the previous messages, I said he needs to make adjustments if not then we do not need to extend him. Solich has been in a National Championship, he is from Cleveland, he has got some of our players to the NFL. For all this I am thankful, he does not have a lifetime pass. He needs to get us over the hump, if you ask him, I am sure he would agree.

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 8:39:31 AM

allen wrote:

I get it, your deal is to be critical. Guess it makes you feel superior. However you do not get to deny by omission the success and progress made and call it support. The players deserve better.

"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 8:42:22 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

I don't care what WMU is doing to Toledo, we should not lose by 5 touchdowns to anybody. Here we go with the moral victories again.

So sorry if the young men let you down. Perhaps you could become a Missouri football fan. Or you could just let go of some baggage you seem to have a death grip on.

If I went to Missouri, what would be wrong with being a Missouri football fan? Don't tell me you're one of those that hold what they did against them?

The Situation
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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 8:42:23 AM

The Optimist wrote:

allen wrote:

especially with one of those victories coming against Akron.

One of the things I find most interesting about the anti-Solich crowd is their dependence on hand-picking data to support their theories.

Ohio is 3-2 this season against teams with a winning record. But hey the 9-3 Marshall win doesn't count. By the way Akron doesn't count. And that leaves us with NIU. That's just one win against a team with a winning record this season, so obviously that doesn't count either.

Therefore, Ohio remains 0-3 against teams with a winning record this season. (*0-3 because even though Buffalo didn't have a winning record this season well just round up)

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Last Edited: 11/28/2015 8:44:13 AM by The Situation

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 8:54:42 AM

Where are we? The middle of the pack. Where do we want to be? At the top. Truth

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 8:57:18 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

I don't care what WMU is doing to Toledo, we should not lose by 5 touchdowns to anybody. Here we go with the moral victories again.

So sorry if the young men let you down. Perhaps you could become a Missouri football fan. Or you could just let go of some baggage you seem to have a death grip on.

If I went to Missouri, what would be wrong with being a Missouri football fan? Don't tell me you're one of those that hold what they did against them?

Right now Missouri needs all the "fans" they can muster. This week I put a Ben Franklin in the hand of a MIZZOU student to help her do a break with Habitat for Humanity. Oh, perhaps I should have written LSU, but, really any SEC program would be fine.

"Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 9:10:39 AM

I could have swore I was on a LSU board after reading all the negative comments.

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 9:34:12 AM

Monroe and Allen, I think perhaps you're misinterpreting the positive responses from the other posters after the NIU win. No one's thinking that Ohio is the cream of the crop in the MAC right now or the best team in the MAC; we are all very well aware that Ohio hasn't won the MACC under Coach Solich. You have pointed that out ad infinitum. And obviously we all want to see a MACC, the sooner the better.

But jeez, Ohio just beat a team that had won 22 straight games in November against the best teams in the MAC! Can we not celebrate that win and just leave it at that? And for the most part most of us posters actually AGREE with you guys-its just that you keep bringing up Ohio's shortcomings and lack of a MACC again and again and again, day after day after day after day! We get it; we can read. Ohio isn't where anyone wants to be goal-wise at this moment and we AGREE with you on that. But man, the constant drumbeat of negativity is just depressing.

And Allen, you very well brought up a team as an example of yours, Ohio State. I hope to all that is good and holy I am never like those Ohio State honks!!!!! They have the best coach in America, they win a national championship and sometimes its still not good enough. Those people are absolute sycophants and I refuse to be anything like that. You may say "they demand excellence out of their football team at all times and what's wrong with that?" Here's what's wrong with that-the only thing as an alumnus that I demand out of Ohio University is a top notch educational institution that provides education and fellowship to its students. That is its mission. My love for Ohio University has nothing to do with any of its sports programs, none at all. And I think that's the DNA of most Ohio University alumni. If it weren't, if Ohio was a football school Peden Stadium would certainly hold more than 24,000 people.

But that does not seem to be the case to these silly Ohio State honks, its seems their whole being, their whole identity is wrapped up or defined in how well (or not well) Ohio State does any any given Saturday. That is just not me.

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 9:42:07 AM

The Optimist wrote:

allen wrote:

especially with one of those victories coming against Akron.

One of the things I find most interesting about the anti-Solich crowd is their dependence on hand-picking data to support their theories.

It's what they call "reasonable objectivity"

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 9:44:06 AM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

I agree to a certain extent. However, we as fans should be able to voice our opinions without being casted as negative. Ohio had a huge drop off and came back nicely, which is far worst than what Ohio A&M did. I love Ohio and I love Ohio football and I want to see us become the MAC champs not just compete. We already know we can compete. Ohio States fans and some of their players are out of line, but that is why they win, because they hate to lose. NIU fans were mad that they lose to us, I want to feel like that one day.

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 9:57:49 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

allen wrote:

Good grief. The PSU & ULM wins were years ago and you're hanging on to them just like the people you are arguing with hang on to 2-13 the last four years vs winning MAC programs.

Talk out of both sides of your mouth much?

I'm sure you are a big fan of participation trophies too. You probably think your high school deserves to have their highlights shown on the local TV station because "the kids tried so hard" even though they're 0-10 and lose by 50 every week.

Ohio football isn't where it was in 2011.

You can beat your chest about how everything is fine all you want.

Some disagree. That's their opinion, you have yours

Just don't act like we're on the front lawn with torches because we would like to see Ohio be more relevant within our division of our conference

I'd like to think they strive for more than a participation ribbon that you are so quick to hand out.

And for the record, if Ohio is trending up as you appear to believe, that would mean they at some point were down?

When was that? After the three blowout losses this year? Ummmm...no, because you believed they were just fine then?

Was it after finishing 4-4 in the MAC the last three seasons prior to this one? Ummmm....no. All good then?.

Was it in 2004 when Brian Knorr was coaching? Maybe?

Have we been trending up since then?

Has Ohio always been trending up? Has there ever been a time when you said Ohio football was underachieving? Or wasnt doing well?

Last Edited: 11/28/2015 10:10:27 AM by bshot44

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 10:03:16 AM

allen wrote:

However, we as fans should be able to voice our opinions without being casted as negative.

And fans should be able to voice positive opinions without being cast as green colored glasses wearing, Solich apologist that are ALL content, even thrilled with the current state of the team.

The Situation
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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 10:05:24 AM

bshot44 wrote:

Hypocrisy is irrelevant when analyzing the validity of a statement.

Either both stats from 4 years are out dated or they are relevant to this point in time. Which is it bshot? There's no right or wrong answer. Just define the parameters. Are 4 year old data too old?

P.S.

And for the record I think Bcat was merely bringing up those points to rebuttal the "in the last 35 mac games" stat.

Last Edited: 11/28/2015 10:06:48 AM by The Situation

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 10:06:32 AM

cc-cat wrote:

allen wrote:

However, we as fans should be able to voice our opinions without being casted as negative.

And fans should be able to voice positive opinions without being cast as green colored glasses wearing, Solich apologist that are ALL content, even thrilled with the current state of the team.

Precisely.

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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 10:08:14 AM

cc-cat wrote:

allen wrote:

However, we as fans should be able to voice our opinions without being casted as negative.

And fans should be able to voice positive opinions without being cast as green colored glasses wearing, Solich apologist that are ALL content, even thrilled with the current state of the team.

bshot44
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RE: #FireSolich

Posted: 11/28/2015 10:15:43 AM

The Situation wrote:

bshot44 wrote:

I would say using a bowl win and out-of-conference win from 2012 to prove your point that the team is "trending up" is a little ridiculous

Using a 2-13 record over the past four years to show there has been a trend of underachieving is probably a little more rational

The way this year's team finished the season brings hope that things will reverse going forward and they will no longer get drubbed consistently by good MAC teams.

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