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Topic: RE: Maleek Irons

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The Optimist
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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 6:39:29 PM

cc-cat wrote:

Can we now close this thread.

We are 4-1 overall
We are 1-0 in the conference
And it is Miami week

Yet people are upset that a redshirt freshman is not playing and that he is upset on twitter.

Move on to Miami folks.

I'm a big believer in the "just win" mindset. We are winning, and at the end of the day I don't care how we win as long as we win. I'll take a 3-2 win every day of the week.

At the same time, I am curious about this situation because it appears there is more going on than meets the eye. Yes, we are really deep at running back, but I haven't talked to one person who has seen this kid play who isn't high on his abilities. I think considering the suspension, there is obviously something going on here.

Others have mentioned this in the past... I think there is a market for a journalist covering Ohio athletics who asks the tough questions. Arkley is kinda a one-man show in Ohio athletics coverage and he doesn't tend to dig into "issues" like this. That isn't a knock on him. I don't think that would vibe well with the coverage he does provide. We've seen similar stuff with basketball at times. Often there is transfer talk that is always hushed up. I'm sure Ohio athletics likes it that way. Last guy who really seemed to push the envelope was Caleb Troop.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 7:02:06 PM

I just talked with a guy, whose brother talked with a friend who talked with Frank, and the word is that Irons will start against Miami. Frank made this decision, reportedly, after reading the traffic on this board.

Edit: This same source said that Tony Campbell will suit up just this one week with the football team and play QB. In high school he once threw a 70 yard TD pass. Way to go Saul! Just one big Bobcat Family.

Last Edited: 10/4/2015 7:05:47 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 7:49:55 PM

If a staff member who sees him play every is dumbfounded and our runners are not getting traction, why not let him play? The fans on this thread criticizing this young man are the reason why we lose the MAC every year. They settle for the status quo, the coaches are worst. They are trying to hold a spot for AJ and Daz. I could see Roger Lewis being here riding the pine. Hopefully the coaches use the talent they have and stop trying to preserve spots. I bet there are a lot of people on team who thinks he should be playing. Status quo, moral victories. Tettleton and AJ you could start over Tom Brady and Adrian Peterson for the Bobcats. I could see the fans saying Peterson can't pick up the blitz.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 8:14:39 PM

Just an old-timer's view...

First, the "staff" member could be just about anyone from a trainer to the assistant ticket manager, so my preference is to always defer to the coaching staff to evaluate players. Not that they are always right, but as a fan you really have no other choice, do we? Football is not a democracy.

Second, I agree that expressing your displeasure on social media is the quickest way to run more sprints, especially if you have been told to steer clear of it (I would think this would be logical).

Third, I have seen quite a few players in my lifetime that had a tendency to look great on a few plays in practice, but for some reason are not getting all the game reps. Usually it is because the player also misses other assignments, fumbles, jumps offside more often whatever. Without having been to every practice, who knows?

Fourth, when you are 4-1 is not the time to start complaining about playing time, if that is what was meant. I would give the young man the benefit of the doubt and figure he might be just be frustrated in himself as much as the staff.

Fifth, if a fulltime coaching staff member is expressing views like this to non-staff members, then I would encourage them to consider what happens. It is pretty disloyal, just for starters.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 8:20:26 PM

He said nothing, but he is discouraged. That is a reason to talk to the young man. He cannot play his way onto the field because it is not in our DNA, to replace someone who played good the year before. I hope Maleek stays focused and gets his shot, I have my opinion and I think the coaches are missing a chance to work in a bigger back with speed. I am not happy about 4-1, I want 5-0 and I want to blow out Akron, but that's just me.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 9:53:29 PM

allen wrote:

You have your opinion. You are welcome to it. The bit about young players not getting to play ahead of others is not solid. Provitt is seeing lots of time. Papi is getting lots of time, returning punts ahead of many who have done it well and he has been at Ohio the same time as Irons. Crouch is finding the field as a freshman. Irons is "Discouraged." I choose not to assume what that means. I expect Mr. Wood is discouraged, Mr. Sprague might be discouraged, Basham must be discouraged. Poling watching the second half vs Minn must have been discouraged. Patterson and Brown were probably discouraged by their fumbles last season. You are not happy. So what else is new.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 10:22:08 PM

I do not feel too sorry for Mr. Irons as he has it a lot better than I. I'm a lifelong Browns fan and I've been "discouraged" for over 20 years now. And the Browns find ever more creative ways to make me discouraged, ala today's game.

So it could be worse.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 10:35:27 PM

I think some of you have a weird obsession with this kid. First I heard from a very good source this kid threatened to transfer before the season started if he didn't play alot this season. That right there is selfish and not at all a team player, and what about brown? He's not tweeting (disappointed) after a win neither is AJ and AJ is getting a quarter of the caries he did last year. If you watch the game close AJ is always out there pumping players up offense and defense. It take someone with heart, skill, leadership and being a team player to be a starter. It's just weird to me everyone on here goes crazy for this kid but not one word on brown or how good the team is doing! Our running game isn't doing so good because of play calling not skill.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 10:46:53 PM

...and we have starting linemen who have lost time and the offense requires that the QB be at least somewhat of a threat to run and lately he has not been.

Last Edited: 10/4/2015 10:47:15 PM by Victory

C Money
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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 10:54:11 PM

What kind of arm does Irons have on him? If he can't play RB maybe he can play QB.

/sarc

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 10:55:17 PM

Victory wrote:

...and we have starting linemen who have lost time and the offense requires that the QB be at least somewhat of a threat to run and lately he has not been.

which happens every year...for a lot of teams.

So, what does that have to do with seeing if this dude is a surpassing talent?

Look, if it turns out that he's not special, then so be it.

But to not find out..when the small sample was pretty decent and the physical attributes are said to be distinct...is an interesting approach. More so for a team which has an offense which sputters for prolonged periods.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 10:57:47 PM

By the way, it's not as if we've ever asked for a given player to play with this much curiosity/fervor.

This appears to be a once in a 10+ years situation. So, let's find out.

allen
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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 11:02:15 PM

I am a lifelong Brown fan as well. I love all of our backs. AJ is a tough back, not really fast but never goes down after the first hit. Daz play like a big back but he has shiftiness. Papi White is a sensation speed kills. I just don't understand why a back with size and speed can't get a series when they are not getting traction. The play calling is suspect sometimes. Irons has the size to impose his will on a defense and he has the speed to break off long runs. I know you all love AJ and the coaches, heck I do to. Let's see what this kid has and let's stop making him into a bad person because fans want to see him play, it's kind of childish.

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OhioCatFan
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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 11:03:36 PM

All football17 wrote:

. . . First I heard from a very good source this kid threatened to transfer before the season started if he didn't play alot this season. . . .

Doubt that this is true, but if it is, I don't think Frank responds very well to threats. It's also interesting that a buddy of his from the same school came here this year and is being redshirted. Don't you think he talked with Irons before making his decision? Look, I want to see Irons get meaningful reps in a game as much as the next guy, but I don't question the coaches for not playing him yet. I know they have their reasons, and they are a lot closer to the action and know a lot more about the game than I do.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/4/2015 11:46:13 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

By the way, it's not as if we've ever asked for a given player to play with this much curiosity/fervor.

This appears to be a once in a 10+ years situation. So, let's find out.

A couple of obsessed posters on a fan site does not equate to "this much curiosity/fervor."

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 2:49:20 AM

Hell with it. You guys who trust the staff and will wait until the staff decides to see what Irons brings--even if that means never--are absolutely right.

Why try anything new? Our offense against stupd cow, Minne, and 'kron has was scintillating. And the prior 30 games before this year showed that this staff is putting brilliant football out there game after game after game.

Add in the fact that all evidence is that trying Irons would have massive, ruin the program repercussions and it makes no sense to try Irons.

That there are so few calling for Irons here may have to do with the fact that this dynamic program has all of--wait for it--perhaps 35 people who post on these threads in a given week. This program is exploding! Fan excitement is at call-the-police levels.

On a relative basis...and an absolute one, the number of posts calling for Irons is more significant than you state, cc-cat.

Last Edited: 10/5/2015 2:49:57 AM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 6:46:14 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

All football17 wrote:

. . . First I heard from a very good source this kid threatened to transfer before the season started if he didn't play alot this season. . . .

Was Irons recruited by James Ward? If there was some thought by Irons of leaving, Ward's departure may have played a part in it.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 9:28:03 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

Is this the same source who is saying Marshall and us are joining the American Athletic Conference?

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 9:52:32 AM

All football17 wrote:

It's not a "weird obsession". It's an American tradition. The best QB is always the second string one, and the best RB is always the one that you haven't seen yet. ;)

On running plays, much of the result is determined, not by the RB, but by how well the play is blocked, and how the defense is aligned. It's easy to forget that. The running backs who have played have done a good job. They have gotten out of plays what is there, and they haven't fumbled. I haven't seen any of them slipping and falling, or going down at first contact.

I feel like I'm the one that started all this because I'm the guy that called Irons a 5-star talent when recruited. I've been trying to stay out of this debate because, honestly, I'd love to see him play, but I also recognize that he's just a redshirt Freshman, and there haven't been all that many opportunities to get down the 4th string. Normally what happens is that in cleanup time, the fourth string gets in, and they try to play well, and prove they deserve more playing time, and that's how they move up.

Irons did look good in his one, short appearance, and if he continues to look good when he gets chances, he'll move up. That's how it has always been done, at Ohio, and elsewhere.

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 10:10:04 AM

That's how it's usually done...not how it's done for superior talent.

Give him a chance; if it doesn't work, then fine.

Some guys are so good...big, fast, whatever..that they can get more out of a run than others. To think that everyone will achieve the same makes no sense.

Y'know, you who don't want to give the guy a chance because you trust the head man because he's been the head guy so long and, so, you trust him...how ya liking Barry O? He's had some huge victories ('care, Osama, etc) but many of you have no problem second-guessing him. But our staff is sacrosanct in the face of 10 years of no MACC?

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 10:11:57 AM

This maybe a ridiculous question, since Arkley isn't asking the tough question about Irons, why doesn't somebody call into the radio show or go to the radio show and put Coach Solich on the spot?

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 10:22:05 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Hell with it. You guys who trust the staff and will wait until the staff decides to see what Irons brings--even if that means never--are absolutely right.

Why try anything new?

If only there were some kind of tryout that the coaches could hold several days each week so they could figure out who's their guy for each position...

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 10:48:37 AM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

Is this the same source who is saying Marshall and us are joining the American Athletic Conference?

ROTFL! ;-)

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 11:49:59 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Meet #4 Papi White

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RE: Maleek Irons

Posted: 10/5/2015 11:58:22 AM

Over the weekend here in Rockport, MA, a pilot whale beached itself and has subsequently died.

Should I send it to Athens for it to become the new replacement for this repeatedly beaten dead horse, as I believe the horse has been beaten so long that none of it exists?

The whale is a much larger target than the horse as well, so perhaps it could make it through the remainder of the season, and into post season play.

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