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El Gato Roberto
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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/8/2015 3:55:19 PM

L.C. wrote:

El Gato Roberto wrote:

(Sniffs) is something burning in here?

I thought that was supposed to happen after an Akron win?

In this case it appears that an "ugly win" is enough to ignite the self-righteous flames of the full-truculent revolution. Stand back or be engulfed!

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/8/2015 4:10:56 PM

Wasn't the "Full Truculent Revolution" one of the first punk bands to play at CBGB's in NYC?

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/8/2015 5:13:26 PM

oldkatz wrote:

Wasn't the "Full Truculent Revolution" one of the first punk bands to play at CBGB's in NYC?

+1 - this is the kind of post that keeps me coming back. Too funny.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 2:10:26 AM

allen wrote:

Please give the man some carries.

Where's the band?!
WHERE"S THE BAND?!

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 2:11:16 AM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Why? What evidence do you have to support your case?

Time to apologize to Allen and the other more sagacious writers.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 7:08:33 AM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

Why? What evidence do you have to support your case?

Time to apologize to Allen and the other more sagacious writers.

For what?

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 12:25:00 PM

Irons came in during the 4th Qtr. He was fresh while the defense he was facing wasn't (you know, after playing an entire game). How could you possibly say the numbers justify his playing when he hasn't faced a fresh starting defense (that doesn't suck to begin with)?

The opposing team sucks!

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 1:54:39 PM

Based on what we've seen I would say it would certainly be difficult to argue either the position that the coaches don't recognize talent, or the position that they don't have a plan for implementing it. They have been effusive about both D. Brown and Irons, and now that we have seen both, it's easy to see why. We also see both getting playing time where they fit in, and in six games, both have been in. Through six games, the stats are:

Daz 60 carries, 285 yards, 4.8/carry, 5 TDs, long=33
AJ 59 carries, 249 yards, 4.2/carry, 2 TDs, long=28
Papi 23 carries, 139 yards, 6.0/carry, 2 TDs, long=58
Maleek 13 carries, 70 yards, 5.4/carry, 2 TDs, long=17
Dorian 12 carries, 62 yards, 5.2/carry, 0 TDs, long=22

That seems to be spread around pretty fairly. It definitely helps when you have a game when the running backs get a substantial number of carries. As I pointed out, in some games this year there were less than 20 total running back carries. I predicted that we would see north of 30 for the next several games, and against Miami they got 33 carries. I expect that trend to continue, and I expect to see more of both Brown and Irons in the games ahead.

The logical question would seem to be, not why isn't Irons (or Brown) getting more carries, but why did AJ get so many last year? The answer to that is obvious, though. First and foremost, he doesn't fumble. I think Dorian would have established himself as the premier back last year, and AJ might have even ended up with a redshirt, but Daz and Dorian fumbled, and AJ did not.

The second reason, though is also obvious, if you think about it. Where is AJ at his best? He's a tough, physical runner who excels in short yardages situations. Of all the backs, he's the least elusive, but he's by far the most powerful. When you don't have blocking, you've got to give the ball to a back that is physical and strong, who can blast through the first tackler (or two) and get positive yards anyway, and AJ is that guy.

That brings us to the answer to a third question, why AJ is getting somewhat less carries this year (he's on pace for 120 carries, and had 160 last year)? Part of the answer is that the blocking is better, and that allows Ohio to have more variability in the offense, and the other part of the answer is that because of the injuries at QB, Ohio is relying more on passing, and less on the zone read. Note that they are also targeting all the backs out of the backfield. Here are the receptions for the running backs:

White 16 for 279, 17.4 average, 1 TD
Patterson 9 for 29 yards, 3.2 average
Irons 2 for 26, 13.0 average
OUellete 3 for 15 yards, 5.0 average
Brown 1 for 6 yards, 6.0 average

This is where I think Maleek earned more PT, by the way. He's not as fast/shifty as White, but he was more effective as a receiver that AJ or Daz has been. Thus, we may see Irons used in places where we've seen White used, but where they want more of an inside running threat, too.

Back on point, it seems pretty clear that the coaches know talent when they see it, and they have a plan for using it. It also seems clear that they are bringing the younger backs along, and using them in a reasonable way. It also is true that there haven't been enough carries overall, so probably all five backs, and their supporters, wish they had more playing time.

Last Edited: 10/11/2015 1:56:29 PM by L.C.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 2:22:03 PM

Irons came in with the second or third team O-line. Irons is bigger and faster than Oulette. I hate comparing the two, because I like both. The coaches should not hesitate to insert Irons when the opposing D is stopping Oulette. If Irons replaced AJ had 200 yards some of you would still have excuses. Both are great running backs, let's not compare them.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 2:32:33 PM

Ohio with a tough QB who makes great passes and 5 really good RBs ummm the future is very bright. The freshman CB played out standing also. My only hope is no transfers away but they all LOVE OU it seems.

Last Edited: 10/11/2015 2:34:06 PM by Bobcatzblitz

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 3:35:46 PM

There were still lots of the first teamers in on the O line late in the game. I know Powell, Lucas, McQueen were in when Irons was planning.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 4:28:34 PM

allen wrote:

...If Irons replaced AJ had 200 yards some of you would still have excuses. Both are great running backs, let's not compare them.

If Irons had come in and gained 200 yards, that might have proved he should be the starter. The same can be said for Brown, but neither had 200 yards. Both had nice days, though, and gained good yardage, enough to show that the cupboard is loaded, and that the future is bright.

To me that's enough, and I don't see any need to compare the backs. I'm looking forward to more carries for all these backs.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 4:31:58 PM

How can there not be need to compare the backs?

Sample size still small on Irons and Brown, but play the best guy(s) the most.

IF we're this loaded at r.b., makes me wonder why we don't see some true two and three backs sets.

Would like to see us put some heavy jumbo on defenses at times to see if they can stop multiple thunders and lightnings.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 5:49:11 PM

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allen, go to OHIOBOBCATS.COM find the images of #21 running and scoring. You will see 75 & 52 blocking for him. Does not fit your narrative but Mike & Jake would be the OL picks of any back to block that play.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/11/2015 5:54:46 PM

So much good to appreciate and we are allowing this to become a crisis. Really dumb. JMHO

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Monroe Slavin
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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/12/2015 1:54:35 AM

Bcat2 wrote:

So much good to appreciate and we are allowing this to become a crisis. Really dumb. JMHO

Yeah, that's an opinion that carries about no weight.

Hey, why don't we try playing the best guys the most.

I don't see a lot of griping that our first team o-line is getting too many snaps so, being deep at O-line, we should play more of the guys there.

Play the best guys the most. And, that continues to look like #21 Kylon Nelson.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/12/2015 1:57:17 AM

AJ needs to see the field to. Tough runner.

I'm curious who the O-line guys like to block for the most. Gotta think it'd be the guys most likely to take advantage--guys who run hardest, don't turn it over, are toughest to bring down.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/12/2015 3:06:56 AM

The OLinemen loves all the backs these guys all seem really close especially Mcqueen who is a true leader the underclassemen Brown,Irons and Papi are also really close...they say Hillard is a beast too. I think this teams moral is at an all-time high tbh

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/12/2015 7:42:46 AM

Bobcatzblitz wrote:

Great to hear, thanks.

As for depth at O-Line, I wish... A couple injuries there would derail Ohio's season in a hurry. I'll feel a lot better about depth there when Wood and Lowery return.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/13/2015 3:02:40 PM

agreed and good discussion, It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the RB meetings. None of the RB's, IMO, possess the same upside that Irons brings to the table. He strikes me as a back that should have 20 carries a game and someone that could break off some big runs or score on any play.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/13/2015 10:08:00 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

IF we're this loaded at r.b., makes me wonder why we don't see some true two and three backs sets.

AHH - WTH - Why not 4? :/

Last Edited: 10/13/2015 10:08:29 PM by RSBobcat

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/13/2015 10:29:48 PM

And Wth, I think Rufus is our best choice for running back! He deserves at least 20 carries/game because he's the biggest, baddest back we have. Not only is he tougher than anyone in our league, he should be able to "scratch and claw" his way to a touchdown every possession! Therefore we don't need to discuss all these RB's, QB's, OL's, etc. Enough already! Let the coaches do their jobs and the kids play ball!

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/17/2015 1:44:47 PM

Bump.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/17/2015 1:52:37 PM

No sight of any RBs including the scat backs coaches insist can run against this WMU defense front smfh. Vick has us in the game but injuries threaten to totally derail this season.

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RE: Irons time

Posted: 10/17/2015 2:12:44 PM

We need a turnover bad

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