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Topic: RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Topic: RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

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Casper71
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RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Posted: 7/28/2015 2:23:21 PM

OCF, wasn't Akron a City school (much like UC) that decided it wanted into the State system? My point is, I don't think the State put two institutions that close. That is just what happened when Akron went from City to State. Then again, I could be wrong...

And, what about UC and Miami? The same situation there. In that case, I know UC was a City institution until the late 70s or so. Why not combine them too? Can you imagine the higher ed overhead costs that could be saved by doing this. Which is why it will never happen. Of course, there are alumni issues too.

Then there is also UT and BGSU. Could be Toledo was a City school too at one time?

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RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Posted: 7/28/2015 2:45:07 PM

Casper71 wrote:

My sometimes flawed memory tells me that initially Cincy, Akron, Toledo and Youngstown State all were muni schools.

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RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Posted: 7/28/2015 8:24:44 PM

You are right, Casper -- Akron, and most of the others named, were once city schools. They became state schools in different time frames. I think either UC or UT was the last to make the transition. In the case of UC, as I remember, the transition was in several phases. I believe for awhile it was part state and part city -- the governor appointing five trustees and the mayor four. This is all from memory, so I stand to be corrected by someone with a better memory or more comprehensive research on the subject.

BGSU and KSU started as normal schools (teacher's colleges) and became universities sometime after 1920. I believe, in fact, KSU and BGSU were founded in the same year around 1910 by the same legislative bill.

The Akron-KSU merger proposal always made sense to me, even before all of the current financial issues in the Rubber City. I will, however, defer to SBH, who knows the lay of the land up there much better than I do.

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RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Posted: 7/28/2015 9:03:51 PM

SBH wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

SBH, do you think this financial crisis will start the discussions again about merging with KSU? That always made a lot of sense to me from the cheap seats in Athens, Ohio. To me it really makes no sense to have two state universities of their relative sizes in the same metro area. Merging, of course, would mean that there would be only one set of overpaid top-level administrators, only one football and basketball team, the merging of academic departments etc. It would result in considerable savings. As I'm sure you know, the merger idea was first floated by Governor Rhodes back in the 1960s. As I recall, it was killed by Oliver Ocasek, a powerful state senator from Akron.

I can't imagine Kent would want anything to do with this mess. Maybe CSU?

No way. Cleveland State's enrollment has been edging upward in recent years, and they seem to be having much more success than Akron in shedding the commuter school image without alienating their commuter/non-traditional students. The school is likely in debt (like every state school) but it's not saddled with an empty $60 million D1 football stadium and declining enrollment. Not to mention the fact that they sit 40 miles apart and have no shared history.

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RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Posted: 7/28/2015 9:05:02 PM

The hits keep on coming.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/07/universi...

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RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Posted: 7/28/2015 9:13:07 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

BGSU and KSU started as normal schools (teacher's colleges) and became universities sometime after 1920. I believe, in fact, KSU and BGSU were founded in the same year around 1910 by the same legislative bill.

The whole MAC is comprised of a lot of former normal schools. NIU, every Michigan directional, Ball State, BG, and Kent State were all once teacher's colleges.

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RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Posted: 7/29/2015 8:06:22 AM

There has been a ton of new development at CSU including student housing. The area looks nothing like it did just a few years ago. Helps that the new Hofbrau Haus is located basically on campus.

There were stories not that long ago about the Wolstein Center (The CSU Convocation Center) being redeveloped for other uses. The basketball team's attendance doesn't justify its size and the market for concerts is overly saturated right now in Cleveland with the House of Blues, Rocksino, etc. Very rarely do you hear of any major concert happening there.

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Posted: 7/29/2015 9:18:59 PM

on Carigslist

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/07/universi...

Last Edited: 7/29/2015 9:20:32 PM by cc-cat

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RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Posted: 7/29/2015 9:23:42 PM

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The whole MAC is comprised of a lot of former normal schools. NIU, every Michigan directional, Ball State, BG, and Kent State were all once teacher's colleges.

Is it true, then, that in the MAC only OHIO, Miami, the State University of NEW YORK at Buffalo, and the UMass were not founded either as normal schools or as city schools?

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RE: OT: Akron football attendance is the worst in the country

Posted: 7/29/2015 10:56:24 PM

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