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Topic: RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Topic: RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

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Alan Swank
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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/29/2015 5:44:13 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

SBH wrote:

I've gotta agree with Alan on this one. Why not travel the 90 minutes on the day of game and save a couple thousand bucks? If I were MAC commish (I know, Marshall is not in the MAC), I would seriously consider imposing travel cost restrictions on teams given certain driving distances. OU at Kent? No overnight. BG at Akron, no overnight. These costs are getting out of control.

Great thinking. I'm sure that come-to-OHIO-and-ride-the-bus-on-game-day will start bringing in the 4-star and 5-star recruits.

I've never understood the stay over night for home games the night before a game or drive in a day early for a night game. Other than "because everyone does it" or Monroe's comment above, I would love for someone to offer a logical explanation why. I'm with you on this one SBH.

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/29/2015 7:34:10 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

I already did. Teams don't do it because "everyone does it". Teams do it because it has a significant and measurable impact on team performance at a low cost relative to the annual budget. What is the cost for a season, perhaps $25,000 for six home games? Furthermore, that money flows to the local community.

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/30/2015 10:10:27 AM

L.C. wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

If everyone is doing it, how can you measure any variance. Specific evidence?

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/30/2015 11:01:54 AM

MedinaCat wrote:

If everyone is doing it, how can you measure any variance. Specific evidence?

The "research" was done a generation ago, when no teams were doing it. Teams experimented with it, and found it to be very beneficial, so others followed, and it became the norm. Since the research isn't current, I agree that you can ask, "has something changed in our culture today that would make it not be beneficial today, where it was beneficial a generation ago?"

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/30/2015 12:14:40 PM

I question whether there was ever any "research" done. The bigger guys did it (because they could afford it), and we followed suit.

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/30/2015 2:04:58 PM

SBH wrote:

I question whether there was ever any "research" done. The bigger guys did it (because they could afford it), and we followed suit.

I would agree that no one probably did a formal study because the difference was obvious. Why is this even a question? Do people really want to go back to curfews and having coaches running around to dorms and housing doing bed checks? With 110-120 players, that's a lot of rooms to check.

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Alan Swank
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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/30/2015 9:35:58 PM

L.C. wrote:

SBH wrote:

I question whether there was ever any "research" done. The bigger guys did it (because they could afford it), and we followed suit.

You've still provided nothing of substance. How was the difference obvious? What was obvious?

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 9:11:40 AM

Alan Swank wrote:

...What was obvious?

At this point, I have to presume you're trolling, so I'll go with it. OK, none of these are obvious:
Players play better if they don't party all night the night before
Players play better if they get a proper night's sleep
Players play better if they eat properly the night and morning before
Players play better if they are relaxed and loose, and not crammed in a bus for an hour before a game
Players play better if they are relaxed and focused on the game the night before
It's easier for the coaches to monitor all the players if they are in one place rather than scattered on and off campus
Staying at a hotel creates a generally positive atmosphere, whereas bed checks and curfews create a generally negative atmosphere.
If you try to monitor a team via curfews and bed checks, you absolutely will have some players violate them, and therefore you will have players suspended
Teams play better if they have the whole team, rather than having a number suspended for violating curfews

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 10:35:57 AM

Alan trying to stir the pot? I just can't imagine that. You must have thought you were responding to a post by that OCF fellow or his fellow wing nut Monroe. ;-)

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 10:56:26 AM

I'm surprised a coach 50 or 60 years ago didn't have his team sleep in jail the night before games.

L.C.
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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 11:20:47 AM

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I'm surprised a coach 50 or 60 years ago didn't have his team sleep in jail the night before games.

Good thinking. That would have gotten them all together, but in those days, the police just gave the drunken players rides home to keep them out of trouble. ;)

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 11:59:54 AM

L.C. wrote:

urable impact on team performance at a low cost relative to the annual budget. What is the cost for a season, perhaps $25,000 for six home games? Furthermore, that money flows to the local community.

Not trolling but asking a question? What Hotel (HI Express or similar) that they stay in has local ownership?

My dealings with the Hotel management at all the major places trying to work out a guaranteed rate for 20-40 nights I would be in Athens directed me to out of town owners save for OU INN.

I agree with your list of benefits and can think of nights where basketball players were out past curfew,staying at a hook ups place or were at private parties past curfew or got caught and serves suspensions for curfew. That would take care of that for sure and I wonder why basketball teams do not do the same. Unless the sheer numbers in football create the need to do this. I do not know of a single college hoops team that does this prior to home games whereas most FB teams do...

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 12:29:01 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

L.C. wrote:

urable impact on team performance at a low cost relative to the annual budget. What is the cost for a season, perhaps $25,000 for six home games? Furthermore, that money flows to the local community.

I guess I just dated myself, guessing that most hotels were owned locally. No doubt you are right that that is no longer true. Even then, probably 80-90% of the money does flow to the local economy in the form of wages, taxes, and other local expenses.

Between basketball and football, with football you have a large number of players, and it would be difficult to keep track of them all, plus you have only 6 home games. With basketball the situation is reversed, with a more manageable number of players to account for, but also a lot more home games, including sometimes multiple games in the same week. Even then the day may come when it makes sense for Basketball, too.

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 1:43:59 PM

Several of the Athens hotels are owned locally. There is one family that owns them, I'm currently having a brain cramp and can't remember the family name. Can someone else help?

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 8:01:12 PM

Hampton, HI Express and Baymont are locally owned?...I am sure I was directed to corporate offices in far away places. I would be interested in the info if you scare it up OCF

Last Edited: 3/31/2015 8:01:41 PM by bornacatfan

C Money
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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 9:26:59 PM

bornacatfan wrote:

Hampton, HI Express and Baymont are locally owned?...I am sure I was directed to corporate offices in far away places. I would be interested in the info if you scare it up OCF

They just built a new HI Express here. There was one principal investor/owner with many hotels across several states, but local people were solicited as investors as well. The Athens hotels may have some similar kind of arrangement, so it's not actually controlled by the guys in Athens, but they can claim "local ownership."

Last Edited: 3/31/2015 9:27:25 PM by C Money

colobobcat66
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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 3/31/2015 11:11:11 PM

125 guys out on the streets, a little like herding cats. Seriously, if anything can go wrong on s little road trip with 3 or so busses, it will. It's just insurance in so many ways.

Last Edited: 3/31/2015 11:13:08 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 4/1/2015 12:08:51 AM

bornacatfan wrote:

Hampton, HI Express and Baymont are locally owned?...I am sure I was directed to corporate offices in far away places. I would be interested in the info if you scare it up OCF

Here it is, borna:

http://www.sjbmanagementinc.com/index.php?

Alan Swank
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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 4/1/2015 8:55:48 AM

L.C. wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

...What was obvious?

So if all of that is true, how does the volleyball team continue to win after spending a night in their own beds? How has the Ivy league been able to survive when they drive to a game, play a Friday night game, drive to another game and play on Saturday?

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 4/1/2015 1:33:24 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

I'm sure that other sports would benefit from it as well. Like basketball, Volleyball involves a much smaller number of players, so it probably is easier to manage without resorting to this. I do think it's possible that in the years ahead we will see it become more common in other sports.

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RE: Marshall Staying at OU Inn

Posted: 4/1/2015 10:51:49 PM

Thanks OCF. That's way better than Muncie and certainly goes against what I was led to believe. May warrant a follow up letter at some point.

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