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   Posted: 3/2/2015 8:16:22 PM 
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   Posted: 3/2/2015 8:37:08 PM 
No, not at all. Ohio has been bowl eligible for 6 years in a row, and has been to 5 bowls. Besides the trips to various mostly fun places, they also get swag. It is a reasonable expectation that Ohio will continue to go to bowls, and that is a major selling point to recruits, certainly a stronger selling point than an individual money game would be.

Why would you not think bowl games would be a selling point to recruits? And, as for Bermuda in particular, why would recruits not want the possibility of a free trip to Bermuda in the middle of Winter? Sounds like fun to me.

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   Posted: 3/2/2015 10:48:28 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:

We are in Athens and playing in Peden Stadium. Unless Apple moves their headquarters here and Phil Knight decides that he's been supporting the wrong OU/UO, we are who we are. The attendance(with mid week games) and ticket prices are fairly much stuck where they are.


When the next coach comes into Athens, I think you'll see a different approach to the schedule. By that point in time Ohio will have the academic center and a weight room upgrade. The next coach could have good Florida recruiting ties and want to get Florida State and Florida on the schedule. That is what Louisville did to build their program. They played Florida State and Miami and was also able to pull off some wins. They married themselves to the excitement surrounding those programs. Playing Kentucky, Tennessee and Minnesota is not going to attract attention for our program. I'd rather schedule Kansas State, Oklahoma and TCU. There is a lot of momentum in the Big XII right now like there is in the PAC-12. Boise State married themselves to the rise of Oregon and Oregon State. ACC schools are closer to Athens but its full of programs of the past like Syracuse and Pitt and schools that aren't pay day worthy. I think excitement is more important than regionalization when it comes to schedule. When you are going against Kentucky, Tennessee, Marshall and then you bring in an FCS school from North Carolina for parents weekend its a very mid-south orientation. That is like the dead zone of the college football universe.

I differ with you on K state versus Tennessee, regardless of K state recent successes, I still think playing Tenn makes more sense from publicity and closeness to fan base


K-State has had a very good team for over 15 years now. A team that regularly finishes in the Top 15 or 20 of the rankings. Tennessee hasn't been a player in the SEC for 10+ years. If you want to boost your SOS you play K-State.

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   Posted: 3/2/2015 11:06:22 PM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:

We are in Athens and playing in Peden Stadium. Unless Apple moves their headquarters here and Phil Knight decides that he's been supporting the wrong OU/UO, we are who we are. The attendance(with mid week games) and ticket prices are fairly much stuck where they are.


When the next coach comes into Athens, I think you'll see a different approach to the schedule. By that point in time Ohio will have the academic center and a weight room upgrade. The next coach could have good Florida recruiting ties and want to get Florida State and Florida on the schedule. That is what Louisville did to build their program. They played Florida State and Miami and was also able to pull off some wins. They married themselves to the excitement surrounding those programs. Playing Kentucky, Tennessee and Minnesota is not going to attract attention for our program. I'd rather schedule Kansas State, Oklahoma and TCU. There is a lot of momentum in the Big XII right now like there is in the PAC-12. Boise State married themselves to the rise of Oregon and Oregon State. ACC schools are closer to Athens but its full of programs of the past like Syracuse and Pitt and schools that aren't pay day worthy. I think excitement is more important than regionalization when it comes to schedule. When you are going against Kentucky, Tennessee, Marshall and then you bring in an FCS school from North Carolina for parents weekend its a very mid-south orientation. That is like the dead zone of the college football universe.

I differ with you on K state versus Tennessee, regardless of K state recent successes, I still think playing Tenn makes more sense from publicity and closeness to fan base


K-State has had a very good team for over 15 years now. A team that regularly finishes in the Top 15 or 20 of the rankings. Tennessee hasn't been a player in the SEC for 10+ years. If you want to boost your SOS you play K-State.

I'm not just going by rankings, Tennessee would play better to Ohio fans I believe. And they're on the rise again. Go ahead to Manhattan, I like Knoxville.


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   Posted: 3/2/2015 11:13:30 PM 
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Why would you not think bowl games would be a selling point to recruits? And, as for Bermuda in particular, why would recruits not want the possibility of a free trip to Bermuda in the middle of Winter? Sounds like fun to me.


Recruits want to play at the highest level possible. They want to play for a chance at a National Title if possible and if not a school that has a chance to get there. Boise State was selected for the Fiesta Bowl at 11-2 over 12-1 Marshall by playing a non-conference schedule of Ole Miss, BYU, UConn and Louisiana. They lost to Ole Miss 13-35 (21 points) and Air Force 14-28. They played no FCS schools but did have an easy game non-conference game with UConn. If Ohio could go out and play Kansas St, Colorado St, Texas St and New Mexico St in the non-conference, drop the game to Kansas St and drop 1 game in MAC play (BG) from the perspective of competing for that major bowl game we'd be in a much stronger position than the types of non-conference schedules we play today. The schedule makers could say yes they lost to K-State but they beat good Colorado St and Texas St games, NIU and WMU in the regular season and Toledo in the MAC Championship game. In 2014 Boise defeated BYU, Louisiana, Colorado St, Nevada, Utah St and San Diego St all with winning records. Ohio has to probably defeat at least 5 schools with winning records. The only way to have a shot at that in the weak MAC East is to play at least 3 quality opponents in the non-conference schedule with one from a very top conference. Boise is continuing to play improving programs in its non-conference schedule. They play Michigan State, not Michigan for example.

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   Posted: 3/2/2015 11:26:15 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:

We are in Athens and playing in Peden Stadium. Unless Apple moves their headquarters here and Phil Knight decides that he's been supporting the wrong OU/UO, we are who we are. The attendance(with mid week games) and ticket prices are fairly much stuck where they are.


When the next coach comes into Athens, I think you'll see a different approach to the schedule. By that point in time Ohio will have the academic center and a weight room upgrade. The next coach could have good Florida recruiting ties and want to get Florida State and Florida on the schedule. That is what Louisville did to build their program. They played Florida State and Miami and was also able to pull off some wins. They married themselves to the excitement surrounding those programs. Playing Kentucky, Tennessee and Minnesota is not going to attract attention for our program. I'd rather schedule Kansas State, Oklahoma and TCU. There is a lot of momentum in the Big XII right now like there is in the PAC-12. Boise State married themselves to the rise of Oregon and Oregon State. ACC schools are closer to Athens but its full of programs of the past like Syracuse and Pitt and schools that aren't pay day worthy. I think excitement is more important than regionalization when it comes to schedule. When you are going against Kentucky, Tennessee, Marshall and then you bring in an FCS school from North Carolina for parents weekend its a very mid-south orientation. That is like the dead zone of the college football universe.

I differ with you on K state versus Tennessee, regardless of K state recent successes, I still think playing Tenn makes more sense from publicity and closeness to fan base


K-State has had a very good team for over 15 years now. A team that regularly finishes in the Top 15 or 20 of the rankings. Tennessee hasn't been a player in the SEC for 10+ years. If you want to boost your SOS you play K-State.

I'm not just going by rankings, Tennessee would play better to Ohio fans I believe. And they're on the rise again. Go ahead to Manhattan, I like Knoxville.


I don't care about proximity to cater to 1,500 Ohio fans making a road trip. What I care about is playing a school that will finish in the Top 20 win or lose so it makes our schedule look good. With the future scheduling Schaus has penned for us a major bowl is out of the question. The major bowl will go to a school like Boise State willing to paint its turf blue and schedule up. As Boise proved last year getting pounded by 21 on the road at Ole Miss didn't hurt its major bowl chances. They still picked one up with 2 losses while Marshall had an undefeated regular season and wasn't on the radar for a major bowl. Obviously it will be harder for Ohio to get the required 6 or 7 wins to be bowl eligible playing a tougher schedule but at this point the program has been to enough bowl games that I will take a shot at a strong OOC for a greater reward. An OOC where if we go 10-2 we are in contention for a major bowl and 12-0 in contention for the 4 team playoff. Absolutely Ohio has to schedule up in the future.

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   Posted: 3/2/2015 11:28:56 PM 
If we go undefeated with the 2015 schedule, we will be in the discussion for the Access Bowl. Defeating Marshall, Minnesota, WMU and NIU would look pretty good to the committee, especially if U of M does as well in the B1G+ as the experts are expecting.

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   Posted: 3/3/2015 12:01:57 AM 
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gosh, I wish we could travel 4,600 miles across 3 time zones and back to lose a game and get beat up in week 1.


You don't see Boise State trying to play USC or Notre Dame. Instead they go after Michigan State, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma State. They go after intriguing opponents that have upward momentum. USC or ND is what they used to call helmet games, meaning that you could spot those schools 21 point just because of the helmet. P.J. Fleck may talk about national ambitions for WMU but that school has far greater brand and location issues than Ohio. If it wasn't enough to be a mid major in a state with 2 Big Ten schools they also have to contend with CMU and EMU for brand awareness. The only mid major I remember playing USC and getting something out of it from a respect factor is Fresno State because of the open season in California recruiting. Its like the race to schedule Florida or Florida State for the smaller Florida schools to show they too can be a player. For WMU its a helmet game to play USC pure and simple.

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   Posted: 3/3/2015 12:12:50 AM 
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If we go undefeated with the 2015 schedule, we will be in the discussion for the Access Bowl. Defeating Marshall, Minnesota, WMU and NIU would look pretty good to the committee, especially if U of M does as well in the B1G+ as the experts are expecting.


Sorry but no. We are playing Idaho, SE Louisiana, Akron, Miami, UMass, Buffalo and Ball State. That is 7 teams out of 12 guaranteed losing record. Minnesota is weak school in a weak power conference. Marshall is headed downward for next year. There is no Access Bowl in the cards for Ohio so long as Solich is here and continues to push these schedules. The MAC tosses UMass out and he goes ahead and schedules them in the non-conference portion of the schedule. After Solich, that is another story but until then no Access Bowl.

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   Posted: 3/3/2015 12:53:40 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
If we go undefeated with the 2015 schedule, we will be in the discussion for the Access Bowl. Defeating Marshall, Minnesota, WMU and NIU would look pretty good to the committee, especially if U of M does as well in the B1G+ as the experts are expecting.


Sorry but no. We are playing Idaho, SE Louisiana, Akron, Miami, UMass, Buffalo and Ball State. That is 7 teams out of 12 guaranteed losing record. Minnesota is weak school in a weak power conference. Marshall is headed downward for next year. There is no Access Bowl in the cards for Ohio so long as Solich is here and continues to push these schedules. The MAC tosses UMass out and he goes ahead and schedules them in the non-conference portion of the schedule. After Solich, that is another story but until then no Access Bowl.


Does Monroe have you on retainer, Uncle Wes? ;-) I simply don't agree with you. A perfect season next year gets OHIO into serious consideration for that bowl. Some prognosticators are saying U of M will be in the mix for the conference title next year. We have some home games coming up in the next few years with P5 schools. We are slowly upgrading the schedule. Frank is answer; he's not the problem.

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   Posted: 3/3/2015 4:40:12 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
Recruits want to play at the highest level possible. They want to play for a chance at a National Title if possible and if not a school that has a chance to get there. ...

I think it's very presumptuous to claim that all recruits want the same thing. Each recruit is different. I know that some recruits want what you describe, but those particular recruits are more likely to end up at Alabama than Ohio. Fortunately, other recruits want different things, which enables all 125 or so FBS schools to fill their rosters.

What other things might recruits want? Some want to play right away. Others want good coaching, and the potential of playing in the NFL. Others want a solid education, and good academic help. Still others want to win games and go to bowls. Facilities are also important. Some recruits may want young coaches, while others want experienced coaches.

Ohio has been trying to improve in areas that matter to recruits, and it seems to be working, as the recruiting classes continue to get better.

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   Posted: 3/3/2015 9:35:28 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
If we go undefeated with the 2015 schedule, we will be in the discussion for the Access Bowl. Defeating Marshall, Minnesota, WMU and NIU would look pretty good to the committee, especially if U of M does as well in the B1G+ as the experts are expecting.


Sorry but no. We are playing Idaho, SE Louisiana, Akron, Miami, UMass, Buffalo and Ball State. That is 7 teams out of 12 guaranteed losing record. Minnesota is weak school in a weak power conference. Marshall is headed downward for next year. There is no Access Bowl in the cards for Ohio so long as Solich is here and continues to push these schedules. The MAC tosses UMass out and he goes ahead and schedules them in the non-conference portion of the schedule. After Solich, that is another story but until then no Access Bowl.

Reading these posts really kind of make me laugh. There are so many inaccuracies such as us playing UMass next year . It's amazing. Comments like Boise not playing the helmet games is silly. They are playing FSU and Michigan state in the future. Marshall would have likely played in the access bowl last year if they hadn't stubbed their toe late in the season and they played no P5 schools last year. We play minnesota this year who finished ranked 25th last year. Talking about playing in a 4 team playoff game , while in the MAC, is so laughable.
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   Posted: 3/3/2015 9:46:58 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
...There is no Access Bowl in the cards for Ohio so long as Solich is here and continues to push these schedules. The MAC tosses UMass out and he goes ahead and schedules them in the non-conference portion of the schedule. After Solich, that is another story but until then no Access Bowl.

Reading these posts really kind of make me laugh. There are so many inaccuracies such as us playing UMass next year . It's amazing. Comments like Boise not playing the helmet games is silly. They are playing FSU and Michigan state in the future. Marshall would have likely played in the access bowl last year if they hadn't stubbed their toe late in the season and they played no P5 schools last year. We play minnesota this year who finished ranked 25th last year. Talking about playing in a 4 team playoff game , while in the MAC, is so laughable.

I agree Colorado. Ohio needs to just keep getting better, and keep winning games. If Ohio does win all 12 games some year, it will be a nice problem, worrying about what bowl they "should" be in.

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   Posted: 3/3/2015 1:39:42 PM 
L.C. wrote:
For those who worry about scheduling games where Ohio is recruiting, here is where Ohio has recruited Freshmen from the last three years:

Ohio - 34
Florida - 5
Michigan - 3
Georgia, Nebraska, Virginia, British Columbia - 2
WV, Missouri, S. Carolina, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Oklahoma, Samoa - 1



Thanks for pulling this info. The fact that we have one recruit in the last three years from Nebraska, Penn. and WV is really surprising to me. I thought Solich still had ties to Nebraska contacts which would lead to more recruits. And the proximity of Penn. and WV to Athens I thought would be more attractive to some recruits (especially ones that fear that Athens is in the middle of nowhere).
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Thanks for pulling this info. The fact that we have one recruit in the last three years from Nebraska, Penn. and WV is really surprising to me. I thought Solich still had ties to Nebraska contacts which would lead to more recruits. And the proximity of Penn. and WV to Athens I thought would be more attractive to some recruits (especially ones that fear that Athens is in the middle of nowhere).

Actually there were two from Nebraska, but Nebraska recruiting has changed a lot. Besides Solich, Gill still recruits there (Liberty) as does Craig Bohl (Wyoming), and of course North Dakota State, Iowa, Colorado State, and Kansas State are also after the athletes that don't choose Nebraska. Nebraska only produces about 10-12 FBS level athletes a year, and of those about half end up at Nebraska, so getting one a year or a little less may be Solich's share.

The state that surprised me the most was Pennsylvania. Go back to 2005-10, and they were getting 2-4 a year from there, and now the only one in the last three years is Dorian Brown:
2005 - Morsillo, White
2006 - McCrae, Caldwell
2007 - Harden, Spegal, Strum, Sweeney
2008 - Futrell, Lewis, Huynh, Weaver
2009 - Hill, Price

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Should we play UWash to help our BC pipeline to continue? ;-)

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   Posted: 3/3/2015 11:52:52 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
If we go undefeated with the 2015 schedule, we will be in the discussion for the Access Bowl. Defeating Marshall, Minnesota, WMU and NIU would look pretty good to the committee, especially if U of M does as well in the B1G+ as the experts are expecting.


Sorry but no. We are playing Idaho, SE Louisiana, Akron, Miami, UMass, Buffalo and Ball State. That is 7 teams out of 12 guaranteed losing record. Minnesota is weak school in a weak power conference. Marshall is headed downward for next year. There is no Access Bowl in the cards for Ohio so long as Solich is here and continues to push these schedules. The MAC tosses UMass out and he goes ahead and schedules them in the non-conference portion of the schedule. After Solich, that is another story but until then no Access Bowl.


Does Monroe have you on retainer, Uncle Wes? ;-) I simply don't agree with you. A perfect season next year gets OHIO into serious consideration for that bowl. Some prognosticators are saying U of M will be in the mix for the conference title next year. We have some home games coming up in the next few years with P5 schools. We are slowly upgrading the schedule. Frank is answer; he's not the problem.


Slavin4Life. Look at what you are saying. You are saying OHIO could be in serious consideration of an Access bowl with an undefeated season. I'm saying we play a real non-con schedule and Ohio can be in serious consideration for the 4 team playoff. And with a 10-2 record OHIO would be squarely in an access bowl as was Boise State last year in the Fiesta Bowl. What would you rather have? Serious consideration for a National Championship or an Access Bowl?

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   Posted: 3/4/2015 12:38:01 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
If we go undefeated with the 2015 schedule, we will be in the discussion for the Access Bowl. Defeating Marshall, Minnesota, WMU and NIU would look pretty good to the committee, especially if U of M does as well in the B1G+ as the experts are expecting.


Sorry but no. We are playing Idaho, SE Louisiana, Akron, Miami, UMass, Buffalo and Ball State. That is 7 teams out of 12 guaranteed losing record. Minnesota is weak school in a weak power conference. Marshall is headed downward for next year. There is no Access Bowl in the cards for Ohio so long as Solich is here and continues to push these schedules. The MAC tosses UMass out and he goes ahead and schedules them in the non-conference portion of the schedule. After Solich, that is another story but until then no Access Bowl.

Reading these posts really kind of make me laugh. There are so many inaccuracies such as us playing UMass next year . It's amazing. Comments like Boise not playing the helmet games is silly. They are playing FSU and Michigan state in the future. Marshall would have likely played in the access bowl last year if they hadn't stubbed their toe late in the season and they played no P5 schools last year. We play minnesota this year who finished ranked 25th last year. Talking about playing in a 4 team playoff game , while in the MAC, is so laughable.


If I could make a list of how many things you don't understand in the power dynamic of college football I'd have a full novel. First I do not even care when we are playing UMass, the fact that we scheduled a 1 for 1 in the future with them shows we've given up on the national scene. Secondly there is a big difference between Michigan and Michigan State. Michigan is a cornerstone of college football. That is the one helmet you need to know. Michigan State is nothing in comparison but they are a Big Ten program on the rise playing great ball. Florida State some would consider helmet material but not all. Secondly OHIO can go as far as being the best team in the 6th best conference. That in some years has been Cincinnati, WVU, Utah or even Boise St. That school finishes somewhere around #3 or #4 in the country when undefeated. Playing a decent schedule. OHIO can do that with 3 strong non-conference opponents and a 9 game MAC football schedule playing WMU, Toledo and NIU more regularly. Everything isn't dictated by stadium size as you think. Kentucky football over Kansas State because UK has 70,000 seats. Its about buzz and momentum for schools that aren't blue bloods. Minnesota has some momentum but the Big Ten lags performance wise. If Minnesota finished in the Top 15 a few years in a row then they'll have something good going on there. Marshall should be avoided; too regional and negative connotations. You must understand the factors which make programs great to manipulate them to your advantage.

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   Posted: 3/4/2015 10:22:58 AM 
Uncle Wes, I'm sorry I misread your initial post, but now that I understand you were talking not about the Access Bowl but about the four-team playoff, I'll have to say that that's totally delusional. There is just no way we would ever be in consideration for a playoff berth as the thing is currently structured. If it was made an eight team playoff, I think a really good MAC team might get serious consideration. If it ever goes to 16 teams the MAC champion would undoubtedly have a guaranteed slot. In the long run, that's what ought to happen.

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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: And in other jealous news...
   Posted: 3/4/2015 11:48:12 AM 
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
If we go undefeated with the 2015 schedule, we will be in the discussion for the Access Bowl. Defeating Marshall, Minnesota, WMU and NIU would look pretty good to the committee, especially if U of M does as well in the B1G+ as the experts are expecting.


Sorry but no. We are playing Idaho, SE Louisiana, Akron, Miami, UMass, Buffalo and Ball State. That is 7 teams out of 12 guaranteed losing record. Minnesota is weak school in a weak power conference. Marshall is headed downward for next year. There is no Access Bowl in the cards for Ohio so long as Solich is here and continues to push these schedules. The MAC tosses UMass out and he goes ahead and schedules them in the non-conference portion of the schedule. After Solich, that is another story but until then no Access Bowl.

Reading these posts really kind of make me laugh. There are so many inaccuracies such as us playing UMass next year . It's amazing. Comments like Boise not playing the helmet games is silly. They are playing FSU and Michigan state in the future. Marshall would have likely played in the access bowl last year if they hadn't stubbed their toe late in the season and they played no P5 schools last year. We play minnesota this year who finished ranked 25th last year. Talking about playing in a 4 team playoff game , while in the MAC, is so laughable.


If I could make a list of how many things you don't understand in the power dynamic of college football I'd have a full novel. First I do not even care when we are playing UMass, the fact that we scheduled a 1 for 1 in the future with them shows we've given up on the national scene. Secondly there is a big difference between Michigan and Michigan State. Michigan is a cornerstone of college football. That is the one helmet you need to know. Michigan State is nothing in comparison but they are a Big Ten program on the rise playing great ball. Florida State some would consider helmet material but not all. Secondly OHIO can go as far as being the best team in the 6th best conference. That in some years has been Cincinnati, WVU, Utah or even Boise St. That school finishes somewhere around #3 or #4 in the country when undefeated. Playing a decent schedule. OHIO can do that with 3 strong non-conference opponents and a 9 game MAC football schedule playing WMU, Toledo and NIU more regularly. Everything isn't dictated by stadium size as you think. Kentucky football over Kansas State because UK has 70,000 seats. Its about buzz and momentum for schools that aren't blue bloods. Minnesota has some momentum but the Big Ten lags performance wise. If Minnesota finished in the Top 15 a few years in a row then they'll have something good going on there. Marshall should be avoided; too regional and negative connotations. You must understand the factors which make programs great to manipulate them to your advantage.


Thanks for the comments.

Don't know why that you're so hung up on the Kansas State thing. Bill Snyder has done amazing things there, and I think that he is probably 1 of the top coaches of the past 30 years, but he's 75 years old and when he leaves again the program will sink back into mediocrity or worse like it did the first time he left.

As for those people not calling Florida State a helmet team, we need to get them to a doctor quick.

Things go in cycles. It's true that Michigan is one of the top football programs by almost any measure, but its been down for the greater part of a decade (73-53 last 10 years), MSU has been 84-45 during those years. I just don't think it's a "big deal" which one of those two you play. They're both top 25 programs and MSU is the one with the BUZZ right now. You're also quick to dismiss Tennessee (historically one of the top 10 teams win wise) as not a top opponent because of their record (mosty due to coaching issues since Fullmer left), while giving Michigan a pass. Tennessee is a "blue blood", by almost any measure.


I haven't heard about the 9 game MAC schedule, when is that going to happen?

And you must be one of the "no to Marshall" guys. IMHO, I think that they are nationally known a lot more than Texas State, New Mexico State and even Colorado State who you propose we play in a good schedule. I just disagree with the logic of that strategy on many levels.

I'm not sure where I said that "everything" is dictated by stadium size,but I do believe that having a 70,000 seat stadium and filling it tells me a lot about the national relevance and fan base of that school.

As I've said before, I don't see even an undefeated MAC school ever making it to the current playoff system of 4 teams. SOS is just going to kill any MAC school. I think the new P5 setup is eventually going to eliminate any chance of a G5 school ever being a national champ.

You also mention that the new academic center and weight room upgrades are somehow going to help us become more relevant nationally. We can't even keep up with Marshall. While those additions will be nice, we are playing catch up in almost all areas. We are still saddled with one of the smallest and certainly the most antiquated stadium in the country and that ain't going to change anytime soon as far as I can tell. I think whatever we do to Peden, is "feeding oats to a dead horse". Yes, playing at Peden will affect who will come here to play on a 1 and 1 basis. It also tells the world that we are "small time" when it comes to national relevance.

Considering where we've come from, we've made great strides making Ohio football something worth following, not just because it's our school, but because they win and they're fun to watch (most of the time, anyway). I must say that the win at Penn State made up for a lot of bad losses, but that's just me. I just have no illusions of somehow becoming a top 4 ranked program. But, I'm in for the ride where ever it takes us the next 10 years or whatever I have remaining. See you in Moscow.


Last Edited: 3/4/2015 12:51:37 PM by colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: And in other jealous news...
   Posted: 3/4/2015 12:32:14 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
Uncle Wes wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
If we go undefeated with the 2015 schedule, we will be in the discussion for the Access Bowl. Defeating Marshall, Minnesota, WMU and NIU would look pretty good to the committee, especially if U of M does as well in the B1G+ as the experts are expecting.


Sorry but no. We are playing Idaho, SE Louisiana, Akron, Miami, UMass, Buffalo and Ball State. That is 7 teams out of 12 guaranteed losing record. Minnesota is weak school in a weak power conference. Marshall is headed downward for next year. There is no Access Bowl in the cards for Ohio so long as Solich is here and continues to push these schedules. The MAC tosses UMass out and he goes ahead and schedules them in the non-conference portion of the schedule. After Solich, that is another story but until then no Access Bowl.

Reading these posts really kind of make me laugh. There are so many inaccuracies such as us playing UMass next year . It's amazing. Comments like Boise not playing the helmet games is silly. They are playing FSU and Michigan state in the future. Marshall would have likely played in the access bowl last year if they hadn't stubbed their toe late in the season and they played no P5 schools last year. We play minnesota this year who finished ranked 25th last year. Talking about playing in a 4 team playoff game , while in the MAC, is so laughable.


If I could make a list of how many things you don't understand in the power dynamic of college football I'd have a full novel. First I do not even care when we are playing UMass, the fact that we scheduled a 1 for 1 in the future with them shows we've given up on the national scene. Secondly there is a big difference between Michigan and Michigan State. Michigan is a cornerstone of college football. That is the one helmet you need to know. Michigan State is nothing in comparison but they are a Big Ten program on the rise playing great ball. Florida State some would consider helmet material but not all. Secondly OHIO can go as far as being the best team in the 6th best conference. That in some years has been Cincinnati, WVU, Utah or even Boise St. That school finishes somewhere around #3 or #4 in the country when undefeated. Playing a decent schedule. OHIO can do that with 3 strong non-conference opponents and a 9 game MAC football schedule playing WMU, Toledo and NIU more regularly. Everything isn't dictated by stadium size as you think. Kentucky football over Kansas State because UK has 70,000 seats. Its about buzz and momentum for schools that aren't blue bloods. Minnesota has some momentum but the Big Ten lags performance wise. If Minnesota finished in the Top 15 a few years in a row then they'll have something good going on there. Marshall should be avoided; too regional and negative connotations. You must understand the factors which make programs great to manipulate them to your advantage.


Thanks for the comments.

Don't know why that you're so hung up on the Kansas State thing. Bill Snyder has done amazing things there, and I think that he is probably 1 of the top coaches of the past 30 years, but he's 75 years old and when he leaves again the program will sink back into mediocrity or worse like it did the first time he left.

As for those people not calling Florida State a helmet team, we need to get them to a doctor quick.

Things go in cycles. It's true that Michigan is one of the top football programs by almost any measure, but its been down for the greater part of a decade (73-53 last 10 years), MSU has been 84-45 during those years. I just don't think it's a "big deal" which one of those two you play. They're both top 25 programs and MSU is the one with the BUZZ right now. You're also quick to dismiss Tennessee (historically one of the top 10 teams win wise) as not a top opponent because of their record (mosty due to coaching issues since Fullmer left), while giving Michigan a pass. Tennessee is a "blue blood", by almost any measure.


I haven't heard about the 9 game MAC schedule, when is that going to happen?

And you must be one of the "no to Marshall" guys. IMHO, I think that they are nationally known a lot more than Texas State, New Mexico State and even Colorado State who you propose we play in a good schedule. I just disagree with the logic of that strategy on many levels.

I'm not sure where I said that "everything" is dictated by stadium size,but I do believe that having a 70,000 seat stadium and filling it tells me a lot about the national relevance and fan base of that school.

As I've said before, I don't see even an undefeated MAC school ever making it to the current playoff system of 4 teams. SOS is just going to kill any MAC school. I think the new P5 setup is eventually going to eliminate any chance of a G5 school ever being a national champ.

You also mention that the new academic center and locker room upgrades are somehow going to help us become more relevant nationally. We can't even keep up with Marshall. While those additions will be nice, we are playing catch up in almost all areas. We are still saddled with one of the smallest and certainly the most antiquated stadium in the country and that ain't going to change anytime soon as far as I can tell. I think whatever we do to Peden, is "feeding oats to a dead horse". Yes, playing at Peden will affect who will come here to play on a 1 and 1 basis. It also tells the world that we are "small time" when it comes to national relevance.

Considering where we've come from, we've made great strides making Ohio football something worth following, not just because it's our school, but because they win and they're fun to watch (most of the time, anyway). I must say that the win at Penn State made up for a lot of bad losses, but that's just me. I just have no illusions of somehow becoming a top 4 ranked program. But, I'm in for the ride where ever it takes us the next 10 years or whatever I have remaining. See you in Moscow.




You know things are bad with the Men's hoops team when most of us are talking about Ohio football right before the MAC b-ball tourney! Oh well.

Anyway, I'm with Colobobcat on this one. I applaud Wes and the goals he wants Ohio football to have, but like Colobobcat I just don't see it, and even if Ohio could get to a Top 4 football program, wouldn't it be selling it's soul to get to do so? For sure Ohio's upgraded it's football facilities but let's keep everything in perspective. Ohio has good facilities as far as the MAC's concerned but as far as a top P5 program's concerned? Yeah not so much. Just go to Michigan or Ohio State if you want to see the gold standard for athletic facilities.

And I love football, I really do. I miss it like crazy even now. But I love Ohio University even more and I think as a institution of higher learning I'd much rather see those funds that would be expended to try and make Ohio football a top flight P5 program used instead for the university itself, such as financial scholarships for students, endowments, increased salaries for University staff and professors, facility upgrades, etc. Besides, I think the top P5 programs are just dens of thieves anyway, football factories and I'd hate to see Ohio University with all of its quaint charm, turned into something it was never intended to be.

Last Edited: 3/4/2015 12:34:15 PM by Mark Lembright '85
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   Posted: 3/4/2015 2:04:04 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
...Considering where we've come from, we've made great strides making Ohio football something worth following, not just because it's our school, but because they win and they're fun to watch (most of the time, anyway). I must say that the win at Penn State made up for a lot of bad losses, but that's just me. I just have no illusions of somehow becoming a top 4 ranked program. But, I'm in for the ride where ever it takes us the next 10 years or whatever I have remaining. See you in Moscow.

In a 4 team playoff, there isn't even enough room for all the P5 conferences, much less a team from G5. If TCU couldn't get in, even an undefeated MAC team won't get in. Even the best of the Marshall teams of the 90's were never ranked in the Top 4.

My perspective is similar to colobobcat66. Try to continuously improve, one step at a time, but never forget to have fun, and to enjoy the good times because times won't always be good. It's fine to wish for greater things, but never forget to be thankful for the present as well. Setting unrealistic goals as your only goals only assures unhappiness.

If the opportunity should come along to move up a conference, say to the AAC, weigh the pluses and minuses, and consider it, but in the meantime, keep beating Miami, and hopefully win the MACC a few times, and continue to enhance the reputation of Ohio University.

Last Edited: 3/4/2015 7:23:54 PM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: And in other jealous news...
   Posted: 3/5/2015 12:05:48 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Uncle Wes, I'm sorry I misread your initial post, but now that I understand you were talking not about the Access Bowl but about the four-team playoff, I'll have to say that that's totally delusional. There is just no way we would ever be in consideration for a playoff berth as the thing is currently structured. If it was made an eight team playoff, I think a really good MAC team might get serious consideration. If it ever goes to 16 teams the MAC champion would undoubtedly have a guaranteed slot. In the long run, that's what ought to happen.


My words are with a bumped up schedule OHIO could be in "consideration" meaning not necessarily a slam dunk for a playoff but in the conversation. To be fair under our present scheduling format finishing undefeated we would have to be in the conversation for the access bowl by virtue of going undefeated but probably bumped by a 1 loss or 2 loss team playing a stronger schedule like Marshall was bumped last year for Boise State.

I'm not predicting we will be best team from the 6th best conference but theoretically we could be. We could finish #4 in the country backed up by Top 40 recruiting classes overloaded with Florida players like WVU, Louisville and Cincinnati have done at their peak. Last years OHIO class was Top 75 and we didn't even have a very good year (6-6) The Monroe in all of us knows that. Going back to one of my first posts I don't see Solich able to schedule up or recruit up up to the point Top 5 finish. While Solich elevated the program a level I feel we are capable going yet another level beyond the last 10 years eventually. Recruiting is more open season for Ohio than ever before with the new structure. Going back over the last 10 years that best team in the 6th best conference has knocked on the door of the Top 4 when undefeated. Hawaii didn't in 2007 but had a schedule strength #170 that year. With a strong schedule OHIO would be right up there.

AP Poll Rankings (Pre-Bowls)
2014 Boise State (11-2) #21
2013 UCF (11-1) #15
2012 Northern Illinois (12-1) #16
2011 Boise State (11-1) #8
2010 TCU (12-0) #3
2009 TCU (12-0) #3
2008 Utah (12-0) #7
2007 Hawaii (12-0) #10
2006 Louisville (11-1) #6
2005 West Virginia (10-1) #11
2004 Utah (11-0) #5

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   Posted: 3/5/2015 12:41:33 AM 
colobobcat66 wrote:

You also mention that the new academic center and weight room upgrades are somehow going to help us become more relevant nationally. We can't even keep up with Marshall. While those additions will be nice, we are playing catch up in almost all areas. We are still saddled with one of the smallest and certainly the most antiquated stadium in the country and that ain't going to change anytime soon as far as I can tell. I think whatever we do to Peden, is "feeding oats to a dead horse". Yes, playing at Peden will affect who will come here to play on a 1 and 1 basis. It also tells the world that we are "small time" when it comes to national relevance.


I disagree on some of your other points made but don't want to cover old ground. On the idea though our facilities are antiquated for the MAC that is a bobcatattack perpetrated myth. The school is in the Top 3 of the MAC in the following categories; IPF, Weight Room, Meeting Rooms, Locker Room, Press Box, Premium Seating. Overall OHIO is probably #1 in the MAC and in at least the Top 15 of G5 schools. The program is adding to that a very nice academic center, a redo of the weight room and a players lounge where the current academic room is in the tower. The stands and the bathrooms of Peden aren't in great condition but that is fan problem not a recruiting problem. Capacity is small but the trend in the sport at most schools is smaller capacities and more premium seating. While as I've said we've got a chance to get to #4 I don't think its worth making a 100 million dollar investment on a new football stadium. I'm fine with continuing to feed Oats at 1 million or so at a time to make incremental improvements.

Last Edited: 3/5/2015 12:43:43 AM by Campus Flow

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  Message Not Read  RE: And in other jealous news...
   Posted: 3/5/2015 1:17:38 AM 
Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

Anyway, I'm with Colobobcat on this one. I applaud Wes and the goals he wants Ohio football to have, but like Colobobcat I just don't see it, and even if Ohio could get to a Top 4 football program, wouldn't it be selling it's soul to get to do so?


This is a good question. I don't see Ohio selling out with 5 million dollar football coaches like TCU and Baylor did. Since the days of Tom Boeh the benchmark has been to get the program more in line with the best MAC schools and those in the AAC, MWC and CUSA. Ohio now has largely done that. The next step as I've outlined is to bring in a coach with good Florida recruiting ties and push to bump up the schedule for greater reward nationally. Big buyout on the next football coach like Saul Phillips has in basketball. That is about the best Ohio can do. We can lose our coach for making an Access Bowl and pick up a 1 million dollar buyout. The strategy I have said on the scheduling is what I think will get the program to hit its peak. OHIO could move to a power conference and its peak wouldn't be different but the money it would have to spend on staffs would be far greater. The program would still be struggling to get into that 4 team playoff either way.

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