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Topic:  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
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Danny's Knee
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  Message Not Read  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
   Posted: 3/12/2015 7:56:18 AM 
Maybe you didn't see many games ?

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  Message Not Read  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
   Posted: 3/12/2015 8:58:17 AM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
OUVan wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
boydhallbobcat wrote:
The reason he doesn't shoot well is bc he takes terrible shots! Fast break 3 pointers from 6 feet behind the arc with no time off the shot clock is not the kind of shot this team needs.


Yeah, terrible' shots. Is that why he shot over 40% from 3? Not to mention led us in assists. Nick Kellogg shot 39% last year and I don't recall anyone ripping on him. Not saying as players they are totally comparable .. but as far as percentage from 3-land the numbers speak for themselves.


Huge difference between Nick shooting 39% within the context of the offense and Bean shooting 39% (he didn't shoot 40%) with no offensive plan. It's no coincidence that we shot 46% from the field last year vs 43% this year and went from 1st in assists last year to 9th this year. Add to that going from 699 free throws attempted last year down to a league low 486 this year. The shots Bean takes you can get off at any point in a possession. Why not see if you can get a better shot first?


Per link it showed Bean at 40.4% from 3.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/oab/stats/

And my reply was relative to the 2 (boydhall and danny's knee) who have continually taken cheap shots at Bean all year. For one to say 'good riddance bean willis' shows a complete lack of class and the other to say his shot selection is 'terrible' also speaks volumes when the numbers say he shoots a good percentage.


I wouldn't say "good riddance", but arguing about his shot selection is something I will do. Some games, his shot selection was not good at all. Additionally, the 40% number you see there is heavily influenced by 4-5 hot shooting games. I agree though on the good riddance statements. At this point, I'll remember Bean for the 10 three's he made against Miami, which happens to be second only to Jamerson's 11, and 14 all-time.
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  Message Not Read  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
   Posted: 3/12/2015 9:27:54 AM 
I'm definitely not going to say good riddance because the fact is, without Bean's scoring how many MAC games would we have won this year? Any? Bean is not the escapegoat (Michael Scott, anyone?) for this season. What I won't miss, however, will be his method for dealing with a trap. That being...stand there and let it come to you, maybe pick up your dribble for good measure. Drove. Me. Nuts.
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  Message Not Read  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
   Posted: 3/12/2015 9:36:56 AM 
OUVan wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
boydhallbobcat wrote:
The reason he doesn't shoot well is bc he takes terrible shots! Fast break 3 pointers from 6 feet behind the arc with no time off the shot clock is not the kind of shot this team needs.


Yeah, terrible' shots. Is that why he shot over 40% from 3? Not to mention led us in assists. Nick Kellogg shot 39% last year and I don't recall anyone ripping on him. Not saying as players they are totally comparable .. but as far as percentage from 3-land the numbers speak for themselves.


Huge difference between Nick shooting 39% within the context of the offense and Bean shooting 39% (he didn't shoot 40%) with no offensive plan. It's no coincidence that we shot 46% from the field last year vs 43% this year and went from 1st in assists last year to 9th this year. Add to that going from 699 free throws attempted last year down to a league low 486 this year. The shots Bean takes you can get off at any point in a possession. Why not see if you can get a better shot first?


Bean did shoot over 40% from 3's actually. Yes, our offense wasn't pretty, but Bean obviously felt like he had to shoulder most of the load on offense and he was partially right since the other four primary back court players on the team shot 28%, 29%, 36%, and 32% on 3's respectively.

We also didn't have a big man who was as efficient as Jon Smith who shot 63% from the field last year.
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  Message Not Read  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
   Posted: 3/12/2015 1:01:08 PM 
mid70sbobcat wrote:
OUVan wrote:
mid70sbobcat wrote:
boydhallbobcat wrote:
The reason he doesn't shoot well is bc he takes terrible shots! Fast break 3 pointers from 6 feet behind the arc with no time off the shot clock is not the kind of shot this team needs.


Yeah, terrible' shots. Is that why he shot over 40% from 3? Not to mention led us in assists. Nick Kellogg shot 39% last year and I don't recall anyone ripping on him. Not saying as players they are totally comparable .. but as far as percentage from 3-land the numbers speak for themselves.


Huge difference between Nick shooting 39% within the context of the offense and Bean shooting 39% (he didn't shoot 40%) with no offensive plan. It's no coincidence that we shot 46% from the field last year vs 43% this year and went from 1st in assists last year to 9th this year. Add to that going from 699 free throws attempted last year down to a league low 486 this year. The shots Bean takes you can get off at any point in a possession. Why not see if you can get a better shot first?


Per link it showed Bean at 40.4% from 3.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/oab/stats/

And my reply was relative to the 2 (boydhall and danny's knee) who have continually taken cheap shots at Bean all year. For one to say 'good riddance bean willis' shows a complete lack of class and the other to say his shot selection is 'terrible' also speaks volumes when the numbers say he shoots a good percentage.


He shot us out of as lot of games...I'm not saying we would have won more games without him, but I think we would have had better team chemistry.
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  Message Not Read  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
   Posted: 3/12/2015 1:06:42 PM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
Bean did shoot over 40% from 3's actually. Yes, our offense wasn't pretty, but Bean obviously felt like he had to shoulder most of the load on offense and he was partially right since the other four primary back court players on the team shot 28%, 29%, 36%, and 32% on 3's respectively.

We also didn't have a big man who was as efficient as Jon Smith who shot 63% from the field last year.

http://mac-sports.com/custompages/stats/2015MBB/OHIO.HTM


Actually, no he didn't. 87 for 222 is 39.2% . Yahoo doesn't have all our games. But that's neither here nor there. 39%, 40% either are pretty good. But the reason he shouldered the load is because he made himself do it. His shouldering of the load is a big reason we sucked this year. Jon Smith was effective because he was passed the ball to spots where he was effective. He wouldn't have been nearly as effective this year. He wasn't the type of player to force things so he might have been effective just on a much smaller scale. And a I seriously wonder what you guys who are fine with Bean are looking for when you watch a game. The ball is almost never in his hands for less than a second and a second is all it takes for the defense to get back into position. It's also the second that Tony or Mo flashed open low but the ball isn't on the wing yet where the passing lane is to get it to them. He's also terrible at the drive and dish which is where almost all wide open threes come from. It happened time and time again against us. When Bean drives its "I'm going to shoot, I'm going to shoot, I'm going to shoot, ah, crap where'd that big guy come from, time for a desperation pass, wonder where my guys are?"

The guy just has no court vision and no anticipation (i.e. BBIQ). He's our on-ball defender and he had 25 steals this year. 25! Do you realize how ungodly low that is? And that just missed being his career high (26). He had 79 steals for his career. D.J. Cooper had three seasons with more than that. He had fewer than 50 fouls called on him in his two seasons at Ohio. So what you say? It means that he was uber passive on defense but you have to have noticed that watching guard after guard after guard blow right by him to get our bigs in foul trouble (until they decided midway through the year that they weren't going to sit on Bean's account). And worse than his ability to guard the ball was his awareness to pick up the man that whatever poor sap that had to clean up his mess had left unguarded. Defensive switching doesn't help Bean score so it's of no interest to him.

But all of this is just my observations and opinion (except for the 39.2% part). I've said this since last year but he wouldn't play for me. Give me 12 Treg Setty's, who doesn't have a quarter of the physical talent but has ten times the heart and eyes.
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  Message Not Read  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
   Posted: 3/12/2015 3:38:13 PM 
OUVan wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
Bean did shoot over 40% from 3's actually. Yes, our offense wasn't pretty, but Bean obviously felt like he had to shoulder most of the load on offense and he was partially right since the other four primary back court players on the team shot 28%, 29%, 36%, and 32% on 3's respectively.

We also didn't have a big man who was as efficient as Jon Smith who shot 63% from the field last year.

http://mac-sports.com/custompages/stats/2015MBB/OHIO.HTM


Actually, no he didn't. 87 for 222 is 39.2% . Yahoo doesn't have all our games. But that's neither here nor there. 39%, 40% either are pretty good. But the reason he shouldered the load is because he made himself do it. His shouldering of the load is a big reason we sucked this year. Jon Smith was effective because he was passed the ball to spots where he was effective. He wouldn't have been nearly as effective this year. He wasn't the type of player to force things so he might have been effective just on a much smaller scale. And a I seriously wonder what you guys who are fine with Bean are looking for when you watch a game. The ball is almost never in his hands for less than a second and a second is all it takes for the defense to get back into position. It's also the second that Tony or Mo flashed open low but the ball isn't on the wing yet where the passing lane is to get it to them. He's also terrible at the drive and dish which is where almost all wide open threes come from. It happened time and time again against us. When Bean drives its "I'm going to shoot, I'm going to shoot, I'm going to shoot, ah, crap where'd that big guy come from, time for a desperation pass, wonder where my guys are?"

The guy just has no court vision and no anticipation (i.e. BBIQ). He's our on-ball defender and he had 25 steals this year. 25! Do you realize how ungodly low that is? And that just missed being his career high (26). He had 79 steals for his career. D.J. Cooper had three seasons with more than that. He had fewer than 50 fouls called on him in his two seasons at Ohio. So what you say? It means that he was uber passive on defense but you have to have noticed that watching guard after guard after guard blow right by him to get our bigs in foul trouble (until they decided midway through the year that they weren't going to sit on Bean's account). And worse than his ability to guard the ball was his awareness to pick up the man that whatever poor sap that had to clean up his mess had left unguarded. Defensive switching doesn't help Bean score so it's of no interest to him.

But all of this is just my observations and opinion (except for the 39.2% part). I've said this since last year but he wouldn't play for me. Give me 12 Treg Setty's, who doesn't have a quarter of the physical talent but has ten times the heart and eyes.


BANG !! .... Oh baby what a big time post !!

now OUVan is obviously a fellow who made it to a couple of ballgames this year ..

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  Message Not Read  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
   Posted: 3/12/2015 3:57:50 PM 
Danny's Knee wrote:
OUVan wrote:
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
Bean did shoot over 40% from 3's actually. Yes, our offense wasn't pretty, but Bean obviously felt like he had to shoulder most of the load on offense and he was partially right since the other four primary back court players on the team shot 28%, 29%, 36%, and 32% on 3's respectively.

We also didn't have a big man who was as efficient as Jon Smith who shot 63% from the field last year.

http://mac-sports.com/custompages/stats/2015MBB/OHIO.HTM


Actually, no he didn't. 87 for 222 is 39.2% . Yahoo doesn't have all our games. But that's neither here nor there. 39%, 40% either are pretty good. But the reason he shouldered the load is because he made himself do it. His shouldering of the load is a big reason we sucked this year. Jon Smith was effective because he was passed the ball to spots where he was effective. He wouldn't have been nearly as effective this year. He wasn't the type of player to force things so he might have been effective just on a much smaller scale. And a I seriously wonder what you guys who are fine with Bean are looking for when you watch a game. The ball is almost never in his hands for less than a second and a second is all it takes for the defense to get back into position. It's also the second that Tony or Mo flashed open low but the ball isn't on the wing yet where the passing lane is to get it to them. He's also terrible at the drive and dish which is where almost all wide open threes come from. It happened time and time again against us. When Bean drives its "I'm going to shoot, I'm going to shoot, I'm going to shoot, ah, crap where'd that big guy come from, time for a desperation pass, wonder where my guys are?"

The guy just has no court vision and no anticipation (i.e. BBIQ). He's our on-ball defender and he had 25 steals this year. 25! Do you realize how ungodly low that is? And that just missed being his career high (26). He had 79 steals for his career. D.J. Cooper had three seasons with more than that. He had fewer than 50 fouls called on him in his two seasons at Ohio. So what you say? It means that he was uber passive on defense but you have to have noticed that watching guard after guard after guard blow right by him to get our bigs in foul trouble (until they decided midway through the year that they weren't going to sit on Bean's account). And worse than his ability to guard the ball was his awareness to pick up the man that whatever poor sap that had to clean up his mess had left unguarded. Defensive switching doesn't help Bean score so it's of no interest to him.

But all of this is just my observations and opinion (except for the 39.2% part). I've said this since last year but he wouldn't play for me. Give me 12 Treg Setty's, who doesn't have a quarter of the physical talent but has ten times the heart and eyes.


BANG !! .... Oh baby what a big time post !!

now OUVan is obviously a fellow who made it to a couple of ballgames this year ..


Or perhaps paid the cost to stream every game given his stated location. Either way, he knows a thing or two about what he's talking about on here.
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  Message Not Read  RE: ohio bobcats rest of the season like a 4-way skyline chili ..
   Posted: 3/12/2015 7:02:27 PM 
To return this thread to its original subject: if you go for the five-way chili and eat all of those beans, you'll get some gas. If you eat that while pontificating on this thread you can be blowing it out of both ends at the same time. ;-)

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