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Heck, they never appropriated one dollar for their first and finest until the later part of the 19th Century. Prior to that they expected the land grant from the Confederation Congress and the tuition to pay the bills. In other words, there is a very long history of low-ball funding formulas in the State of Ohio. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Vedder and Hartke strike again...    Posted: 1/1/2015 6:44:29 PM  Because education has no impact at all on the economic prospects of a state. In the same way that coaching 15-16 in the last 31 is no cause to be concerned. AND WHY IS EVERYONE PICKING ON JAMESON HARTKE WHO DID NOTHING BUT GOOD FOR OHIO FOOTBALL AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. hartgenothartke,sportsfans. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top ou79 General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 644 Status: Offline     RE: Vedder and Hartke strike again...    Posted: 1/2/2015 8:19:46 AM  Well said, DA! Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,707 Status: Offline     RE: Vedder and Hartke strike again...    Posted: 1/2/2015 9:16:47 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Ohio has always done higher education on the cheap. Heck, they never appropriated one dollar for their first and finest until the later part of the 19th Century. Prior to that they expected the land grant from the Confederation Congress and the tuition to pay the bills. In other words, there is a very long history of low-ball funding formulas in the State of Ohio. Yes, and in reading Betty Hollow's history of Ohio, we learned that it took lobbying from Vern Alden to persuade the state legislature to fund state-assisted universities not located in Columbus at the same level per student that it was funding OSU. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,016 Status: Offline     RE: Vedder and Hartke strike again...    Posted: 1/2/2015 10:29:37 AM  Mike Johnson wrote: OhioCatFan wrote: Ohio has always done higher education on the cheap. Heck, they never appropriated one dollar for their first and finest until the later part of the 19th Century. Prior to that they expected the land grant from the Confederation Congress and the tuition to pay the bills. In other words, there is a very long history of low-ball funding formulas in the State of Ohio. Yes, and in reading Betty Hollow's history of Ohio, we learned that it took lobbying from Vern Alden to persuade the state legislature to fund state-assisted universities not located in Columbus at the same level per student that it was funding OSU. Yes, and the non-land grant tax ("fee") funding only came about because a state rep from Athens by the last name of Sleeper (not making that up) authored the funding bill, which was known as the "Sleeper Bill." If I recall, Sleeper was the speaker of the House. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top D.A. General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Georgetown, ME Post Count: 1,174 Status: Offline     RE: Vedder and Hartke strike again...    Posted: 1/4/2015 3:15:04 PM  http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/college-football-isnt-che... Interesting article above featuring a quote from Ridpath. Note the deficit spending by UVA...ooof. The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats! And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's. "This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." Kirk Herbstreit, another DB, on College Football Gameday Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,069 Status: Offline     RE: Vedder and Hartke strike again...    Posted: 1/4/2015 5:17:57 PM  D.A. wrote: http://hamptonroads.com/2014/12/college-football-isnt-che... Interesting article above featuring a quote from Ridpath. Note the deficit spending by UVA...ooof. That's one of the more fair articles I've seen on the subject. I noted this important quote: "Most of the subsidies don't pay for football; they pay for sports such as baseball, field hockey and soccer that produce little revenue." Using ODU as an example, football has expenses of $7m, but generates $6.8m in revenue. Other sports cost much less, but generate much less. I suppose football at Ohio loses more than that, but it is nevertheless true that the bulk of the student fees go to cover sports like baseball, field hockey, swimming, soccer, etc. On the other hand, I would bet that most students who are asked about the fee for athletics, if asked about where it goes, would guess that it goes for football. Last Edited: 1/4/2015 6:01:14 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Vedder and Hartke strike again...    Posted: 1/5/2015 12:25:05 PM  After pressure from the University Council, Akron agrees to reveal full cost of athletics for students. http://www.cleveland.com/akron/index.ssf/2015/01/universi... 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