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I can't wait for a game in which Bean takes 41 shots. Apparently, neither can he. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top TheBobcatBandit General User Member Since: 8/25/2013 Post Count: 611 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/7/2014 2:43:06 AM  We have a pretty weird team this year in that all our guys fit into a different scheme. You have a little Groce, A lot of JC, and some Saul. It's going take some time to figure it out and we're seeing the going pains. That said.. we must fix our guard play. I think talent wise Stevie and Bean our the best guards but they can't defend!! When we play Akron Diggs size is going to tear them apart. I would much rather rotate the two and have Laster and Taylor at SG. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,552 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/7/2014 8:01:16 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: DJ took 41 shots in a game vs. St. Bonnie? I can't wait for a game in which Bean takes 41 shots. Apparently, neither can he. Bean is a significantly better shooter from deep than DJ was. Yesterday, Bean went 4/9 from 3. That is a good clip. FWIW, the rest of our team was 1/10 combined from 3 yesterday. Last Edited: 12/7/2014 8:02:46 AM by The Optimist I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,401 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/7/2014 4:14:51 PM  TheBobcatBandit wrote: We have a pretty weird team this year in that all our guys fit into a different scheme. You have a little Groce, A lot of JC, and some Saul. It's going take some time to figure it out and we're seeing the going pains. That said.. we must fix our guard play. I think talent wise Stevie and Bean our the best guards but they can't defend!! When we play Akron Diggs size is going to tear them apart. I would much rather rotate the two and have Laster and Taylor at SG. Diggs is gone RS Bobcat Back to Top D.A. General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Georgetown, ME Post Count: 1,174 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/7/2014 5:19:52 PM  I asked the same question after our third game, and still have the same sincere question: through the first five games, I haven't really seen a significant difference in our offensive zone regarding ball movement/screens/etc in the Bo Ryan template that I expected. Am I just not nuanced enough to see the change that is actually present, or am I correct in my interpretation that we have yet to see a significant implementation of a new scheme? Do we not have the players to run that type of offense yet? However, realistically shouldn't you be able to change your half court scheme regardless of the bodies on the floor, it may just not be as effective as with different personnel? Sincere question, just don't see our ball movement looking any different from the last two years. The Few, The Proud, The Bobcats! And for the record, I hate tOSU, and Ricordati and Torgerson are DB's. "This isn't just another walkover from the MAC." 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"Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/7/2014 10:57:07 PM  D.A. wrote: I asked the same question after our third game, and still have the same sincere question: through the first five games, I haven't really seen a significant difference in our offensive zone regarding ball movement/screens/etc in the Bo Ryan template that I expected. Am I just not nuanced enough to see the change that is actually present, or am I correct in my interpretation that we have yet to see a significant implementation of a new scheme? Do we not have the players to run that type of offense yet? However, realistically shouldn't you be able to change your half court scheme regardless of the bodies on the floor, it may just not be as effective as with different personnel? Sincere question, just don't see our ball movement looking any different from the last two years. I don t know that you would expect to see the Bo Ryan influence you think you would. When Saul played at Platteville they were a scoring machine. Averaged 97.4 and had 14 games over a hundred points in a season. Far different from how Bo has adapted to the BIG10. Saul spent 2001-4 as an ops guy at Wisky. Probably coaching duties but I suspect he is wired in the mold he saw as a player from 91-95 when he learned from his mentor like Groce did from Paul Patterson at Taylor. You could walk into a Holtmann, Groce practice or i could give you a dozen Taylor trained coaches and they all follow basically the same philosophy they learned playing for a coach. I suspect Saul is of the same ilk. He played an uptempo style of ball in a tough league and a schedule that had D3 champs North Park and several good teams that prepared them for tourney. The assists numbers are still the record at UWP as are many of the scoring records. I got a feeling you are not going to find similar records at Wisky. I think Bo adapted his style and coaching to fill the need he saw at the next level. I think you will see Saul pushing the ball and emphasizing sharing and team ball much like he learned at UW P and practiced at his last post. The advantage he has here is a wealth of talent and a campus/atmosphere he should be able to attract athletes to......... Last Edited: 12/7/2014 10:58:16 PM by bornacatfan never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,922 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 8:06:17 AM  I went to the game and sat courtside, a few observations: -The offense is getting better with both ball movement and player movement, but man do they miss a lot of open spaces on the court. There were about 4-5 times where there was absolutely nobody on the block and the S.B. defense wasn't reacting quickly. Make that cut for a layup and turn some heads. -With as long as Mo and Tony are, I don't understand why they don't front defenders with backside help. That #35 was catching it way too easily on the low block and I think had like 8 pts and 12 boards? Even the shots he missed were cleaned up and putback... -...which leads me to checking out. I guess you could throw a little bit of inexperience with the young players to this, or the guys who haven't played much, but Ohio is not very good at checking out in key situations. It's like they are waiting for the ball to come to them. Go get that thing! S.B. did a great job of crashing the glass when either Wadley, Mo or Tony were sitting, because that usually left only one big guy in there to get a board. -I was actually mildly impressed with Khari. I'm gonna give him a ton of leeway because we truly haven't seen him play until now. He shows flashes of a brilliant offensive game. He just needs to get stronger and grow into this body. He will be a good player. -Ryan Taylor is easily, or should be, our go-to guy in tight situations. I love Mo and what he brings to the table, but RT has the handle and quickness to get a good shot off when need be. If he works on his 3pt shooting, he can be a dangerous player in this league. Not many people can regularly hit 15 footers like him. It's a lost art. -Stevie is in a funk. He had a bad game on Saturday and got into early foul trouble. A couple of them were really ticky tack, but he can't let that affect his game. It's almost like he's trying too hard to help this team win and it's hard to watch. -Tony is reminding me more and more of Terren Harbut. He may not be the best player on the floor or as strong as Terren was, but man is he consistent. You know what you're getting from him every time he's on the floor. Maybe he'll surprise with a huge game every now and then, but he looks like he could get at least 10pts/8rebs every night. That's huge for a team trying to find their way. -Refs were OK. Ohio got some calls and the S.B. coach got T'd up, but the fouls on 3-pt shooters by Ohio were abysmal. You could blame that on our guys, but on one, the shooter clearly stuck his leg out to draw contact and wasn't even trying to make the shot. On another, the whistle wasn't blown until after the shooter landed back on the floor and the ball hit the rim. I'm sorry, but that's not a shooting foul, that's on the floor. -Need to find another 3pt shooter, which is where I guess Kaminski was supposed to come in. The defense was almost letting Ohio get open 3pt looks unless it was Bean, because they knew Ohio wasn't that great at shooting them. RT is ok and Stevie is hot when he's hot, but freezing when cold. -Bad weather for the game and a lot of football on TV may have kept most of the crowd away. I heard a lot of students behind me talking about studying for finals, so I'm not surprised with their lower than normal turnout. -Overall I'm not too surprised or upset with the loss. It's still early and the team is still learning to gel. Heck, some of these guys are still figuring out how to play at a high level aka they're young and inexperienced. Back to Top Ted Thompson Administrator Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: MAC Play Post Count: 7,399 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 10:13:15 AM  Saul's last 2 North Dakota St. teams were among the slowest in the country. Per KenPom, the 2014 team was 302nd in the country in adjusted tempo and the 2013 team was 333rd.Until then, they played fairly quickly. 2012 - 109th 2011 - 93rd 2010 - 119th 2009 - 81st 2008 - 100th Follow Ohio Football recruiting on the BobcatAttack.com football recruiting database. Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 1:02:44 PM  Ted Thompson wrote: Saul's last 2 North Dakota St. teams were among the slowest in the country. Per KenPom, the 2014 team was 302nd in the country in adjusted tempo and the 2013 team was 333rd.Until then, they played fairly quickly. 2012 - 109th 2011 - 93rd 2010 - 119th 2009 - 81st 2008 - 100th Excellent research Ted. Would be an interesting question to pose on the radio show. Got to spend this afternoon looking at personnel and see why he may have changed.....or we can just ask the question on the radio never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,024 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 1:21:57 PM  GoCats105 wrote: I went to the game and sat courtside, a few observations: -Refs were OK. Ohio got some calls and the S.B. coach got T'd up, but the fouls on 3-pt shooters by Ohio were abysmal. You could blame that on our guys, but on one, the shooter clearly stuck his leg out to draw contact and wasn't even trying to make the shot. On another, the whistle wasn't blown until after the shooter landed back on the floor and the ball hit the rim. I'm sorry, but that's not a shooting foul, that's on the floor. . Those fouls on three point shots were because the defender was way out of position and rushed forward to get a hand up. Bad D basically. Also the T was on number 3 not the SB bench. As for attendance 7200+ is a pretty good crowd for a December game. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,922 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 1:41:39 PM  Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: I went to the game and sat courtside, a few observations: -Refs were OK. Ohio got some calls and the S.B. coach got T'd up, but the fouls on 3-pt shooters by Ohio were abysmal. You could blame that on our guys, but on one, the shooter clearly stuck his leg out to draw contact and wasn't even trying to make the shot. On another, the whistle wasn't blown until after the shooter landed back on the floor and the ball hit the rim. I'm sorry, but that's not a shooting foul, that's on the floor. . Those fouls on three point shots were because the defender was way out of position and rushed forward to get a hand up. Bad D basically. Also the T was on number 3 not the SB bench. As for attendance 7200+ is a pretty good crowd for a December game. Like I said, you can blame the Ohio defenders if you want to, but a couple were questionable. Especially the one where the shooter kicked his leg out. That shouldnt be a foul on the defense when the offense initiates the contact while fading away. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,491 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 2:07:53 PM  GoCats105 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: I went to the game and sat courtside, a few observations: -Refs were OK. Ohio got some calls and the S.B. coach got T'd up, but the fouls on 3-pt shooters by Ohio were abysmal. You could blame that on our guys, but on one, the shooter clearly stuck his leg out to draw contact and wasn't even trying to make the shot. On another, the whistle wasn't blown until after the shooter landed back on the floor and the ball hit the rim. I'm sorry, but that's not a shooting foul, that's on the floor. . Those fouls on three point shots were because the defender was way out of position and rushed forward to get a hand up. Bad D basically. Also the T was on number 3 not the SB bench. As for attendance 7200+ is a pretty good crowd for a December game. Like I said, you can blame the Ohio defenders if you want to, but a couple were questionable. Especially the one where the shooter kicked his leg out. That shouldnt be a foul on the defense when the offense initiates the contact while fading away. Their PG has a future in Hollywood if the hoops thing doesn't work out. Great actor. Back to Top JSF General User Member Since: 1/29/2005 Location: Houston, TX Post Count: 6,345 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 2:34:50 PM  How many times did Bubba draw a foul doing that? "Loyalty to a hometown or city is fleeting and interchangeable, but college is a stamp of identity."- Kyle Whelliston, One Beautiful Season. My blog about depression and mental illness: https://bit.ly/3buGXH8 Back to Top bornacatfan General User Member Since: 8/3/2006 Post Count: 5,706 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 2:36:54 PM  One of my favorite arguments. Defender has a right to space. if the offense leans in, shoulders as he passes by or generally invades the defenders space that IMHO is an offensive foul and should be called as such. (then you get into the ridiculous ways refs are readjusting to offensive fouls after the failed experiment as a whole nother conversation) never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Winter comes and asks how you spent your summer..... The game loves and rewards those who love and reward the game Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,024 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 3:15:21 PM  100%Cat wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: I went to the game and sat courtside, a few observations: -Refs were OK. Ohio got some calls and the S.B. coach got T'd up, but the fouls on 3-pt shooters by Ohio were abysmal. You could blame that on our guys, but on one, the shooter clearly stuck his leg out to draw contact and wasn't even trying to make the shot. On another, the whistle wasn't blown until after the shooter landed back on the floor and the ball hit the rim. I'm sorry, but that's not a shooting foul, that's on the floor. . Those fouls on three point shots were because the defender was way out of position and rushed forward to get a hand up. Bad D basically. Also the T was on number 3 not the SB bench. As for attendance 7200+ is a pretty good crowd for a December game. Like I said, you can blame the Ohio defenders if you want to, but a couple were questionable. Especially the one where the shooter kicked his leg out. That shouldnt be a foul on the defense when the offense initiates the contact while fading away. Their PG has a future in Hollywood if the hoops thing doesn't work out. Great actor. Maybe as a supporting actor. DJ has the leading role claimed hands down. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,491 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 3:21:35 PM  Alan Swank wrote: 100%Cat wrote: GoCats105 wrote: Alan Swank wrote: GoCats105 wrote: I went to the game and sat courtside, a few observations: -Refs were OK. Ohio got some calls and the S.B. coach got T'd up, but the fouls on 3-pt shooters by Ohio were abysmal. You could blame that on our guys, but on one, the shooter clearly stuck his leg out to draw contact and wasn't even trying to make the shot. On another, the whistle wasn't blown until after the shooter landed back on the floor and the ball hit the rim. I'm sorry, but that's not a shooting foul, that's on the floor. . Those fouls on three point shots were because the defender was way out of position and rushed forward to get a hand up. Bad D basically. Also the T was on number 3 not the SB bench. As for attendance 7200+ is a pretty good crowd for a December game. Like I said, you can blame the Ohio defenders if you want to, but a couple were questionable. Especially the one where the shooter kicked his leg out. That shouldnt be a foul on the defense when the offense initiates the contact while fading away. Their PG has a future in Hollywood if the hoops thing doesn't work out. Great actor. Maybe as a supporting actor. DJ has the leading role claimed hands down. He was only a Freshman, he has three more years to perfect his role. Back to Top Casper71 General User Member Since: 12/1/2006 Post Count: 2,895 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/8/2014 4:09:16 PM  Alan, I think the 7200 must have been tickets sold. I was there and that lower bowl was half empty. There were some folks in the lighter green seats. By the way, I did a sample size of about 200 seats in and around Section 223 (I think that was the section I was in, right next to the student section). There were about 6 seats out of the 200 that needed some repair. Back to Top stub General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 990 Status: Offline     RE: Official Game 5 Thread: St. Bonaventure    Posted: 12/9/2014 12:56:28 PM  Casper71 wrote: I did a sample size of about 200 seats in and around Section 223 (I think that was the section I was in, right next to the student section). There were about 6 seats out of the 200 that needed some repair. Why don't they just take the good seats from the top rows and use them to replace bad seats, then close off the top level? The Convo will look better more full and my fanny will stay less fatigued with the soft seats. 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