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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  RE: NIU Schedulepalooza
   Posted: 8/4/2014 8:48:47 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
Please stop portraying Kansas like they're the lords of Big 5 football. I'll give you Cincinnati because of the regional interest and they've at least been somewhat consistently successful the last 10 years. But Kansas isn't something to get excited about. At least not for me. One glorious run back in 2007 people nowadays barely remember doesn't make them a marquee opponent in Peden.

I'll counter that Kansas is a step in the right direction for at least attempting to get better schools to visit Peden, but that's not a plateau I think Ohio needs to be shooting for.



This is the issue with college football scheduling contrasted with college basketball. We're three and a half months from the start of the 2014 college basketball season and we still don't know who we are playing. In football, we know some of the teams we're going to be playing in 6-7 years (Kansas, Marshall). In basketball, you know the general expectations of the team you're playing. In football, you really don't have a clue what you'll be facing when you schedule a team that far in advance. Kansas could be back on top at that point, having been brought back from the dead by Charlie Weis or whomever takes his place.
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   Posted: 8/4/2014 9:18:53 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
This is great. Not only is NIU scheduling solid opponents, but they are releasing them in a clever way that builds hype. Well done.


I've seen some knocks on our schedule. Yes, our schedule the next couple years are weak (next year especially) BUT lets realize NIU is scheduling these games out for 2020.

By 2020, we will see Kansas and Cincinnati in Peden Stadium.

I don't disagree that the NCAA is trending towards haves and have nots. Where I differ with some on this board is what side we fall on. Lets play NIU, Kansas and Cincinnati every year. Get rid of the have-nots like Ypsilanti CC. That is a terrible home and home. Waste of time.


Please stop portraying Kansas like they're the lords of Big 5 football. I'll give you Cincinnati because of the regional interest and they've at least been somewhat consistently successful the last 10 years. But Kansas isn't something to get excited about. At least not for me. One glorious run back in 2007 people nowadays barely remember doesn't make them a marquee opponent in Peden.

I'll counter that Kansas is a step in the right direction for at least attempting to get better schools to visit Peden, but that's not a plateau I think Ohio needs to be shooting for.



Kansas is 4-20 over the past 3 seasons and is historically one of the worse teams in the history of college football.


Yeah, right, Ohio is 5 games under .500 and Kansas is 3 spots behind, at 12 games under .500. What does that make us, if they are historically one of the worst?
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  Message Not Read  RE: NIU Schedulepalooza
   Posted: 8/4/2014 12:07:29 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
GoCats105 wrote:
Please stop portraying Kansas like they're the lords of Big 5 football. I'll give you Cincinnati because of the regional interest and they've at least been somewhat consistently successful the last 10 years. But Kansas isn't something to get excited about. At least not for me. One glorious run back in 2007 people nowadays barely remember doesn't make them a marquee opponent in Peden.

I'll counter that Kansas is a step in the right direction for at least attempting to get better schools to visit Peden, but that's not a plateau I think Ohio needs to be shooting for.



This is the issue with college football scheduling contrasted with college basketball. We're three and a half months from the start of the 2014 college basketball season and we still don't know who we are playing. In football, we know some of the teams we're going to be playing in 6-7 years (Kansas, Marshall). In basketball, you know the general expectations of the team you're playing. In football, you really don't have a clue what you'll be facing when you schedule a team that far in advance. Kansas could be back on top at that point, having been brought back from the dead by Charlie Weis or whomever takes his place.


But thats a huge roll of the dice with a team that's historically bad don't ya think? At least if Cincinnati goes in the tank, there is still a regional interest amongst the fan base. I could see if say a team like Georgia Tech (which would probably never come to Peden) agreed to do a home-home. They've at least been somewhat consistent throughout their history and still a name brand football school. Even if they were Kansas-bad, a bad Georgia Tech team is drawing more buzz than a possibly one-off good looking Kansas team.

I just don't think it's wise to be excited about a perennial cellar dwellar in the Big XII, praying they'll be a good team by the time Ohio faces them.

Last Edited: 8/4/2014 2:34:46 PM by GoCats105
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  Message Not Read  RE: NIU Schedulepalooza
   Posted: 8/4/2014 3:41:12 PM 
Kansas is a household college athletics name.   Obviously that's almost entirely related to the basketball team, but for the casual fan I don't think that matters.  The Ohio fans who know college football and know Kansas isn't typically a good team are going to be there or be watching on TV anyway.   We've already attracted them, now we're trying to attract the fringes.   UC should appease everyone.  Regional, recently average to above average, recognizable.  There aren't very many teams that check all those boxes for me.  

I think a win over Kansas in Peden would be a relatively big deal to casual fans and a brand new group of Freshmen. 

Home schedule in 2020 with UC and Marshall in Peden looks pretty sweet.   Buy an FCS game and pay for it with a game on the road at one of the Power 5 Conference Teams and that's my ideal possible schedule.  That can't happen every year but it sure looks good right now.
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   Posted: 8/4/2014 5:57:20 PM 
OUs LONG Driver wrote:
Kansas is a household college athletics name.   Obviously that's almost entirely related to the basketball team, but for the casual fan I don't think that matters.  The Ohio fans who know college football and know Kansas isn't typically a good team are going to be there or be watching on TV anyway.   We've already attracted them, now we're trying to attract the fringes.   UC should appease everyone.  Regional, recently average to above average, recognizable.  There aren't very many teams that check all those boxes for me.  

I think a win over Kansas in Peden would be a relatively big deal to casual fans and a brand new group of Freshmen. 

Home schedule in 2020 with UC and Marshall in Peden looks pretty sweet.   Buy an FCS game and pay for it with a game on the road at one of the Power 5 Conference Teams and that's my ideal possible schedule.  That can't happen every year but it sure looks good right now.








Well said. That is pretty much my line of thinking.



I agree with GoCats that Kansas has not consistently had a great football team, both recently and historically. I don't think casual fans care. I think the casual fans really group football and basketball together...: "Hey, Kansas is a big-time program... I see them on TV. They play Oklahoma and Texas!" Obviously, Kansas football does not come close to Kansas basketball. You could say the same for Kentucky.


Kentucky as it turns out looks like they will be pretty good this year. I would still like to play them even if they don't happen to be good. Winnable games against well thought of power teams is a good scheduling move, IMO. Our program is to the point where many years, we could beat lower power teams like Minnesota, Kansas and Kentucky. Wins over those kind of programs builds more excitement than beating Idaho or whoever the heck else we have scheduled. Many times over.




 

I've seen crazier things happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: NIU Schedulepalooza
   Posted: 8/4/2014 6:43:50 PM 
With these large power conferences it starts to limit your non-conference options. If you are an ACC school and want to schedule a power conference you've got 4 options; Big Ten, Big XII, SEC and PAC-12. I read that Duke scheduled Middle Tennessee State home and home. Ohio could play a lot of ACC schools to try and offer something something different than Ohio State. Ohio St may have stole that idea with series against Virginia Tech, North Carolina and Boston College. Play a lot of SEC schools then which Ohio St is scared of. 

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