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Topic: RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Topic: RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

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L.C.
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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/19/2014 1:17:46 PM

Jeff McKinney wrote:

L.C., don't you mean some Ohio fans think football should be dropped to IAA? I haven't heard much talk at all about dropping all the way to Division II.

There isn't much benefit to dropping to IAA - the losses from football are just as high in FCS as in the lower FBS, or perhaps even higher. I think the goal of some is to substantially reduce the costs of sports.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/20/2014 3:20:14 PM

Pataskala wrote:

L.C. wrote:

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

An honest question, though, is for how much longer? Most of these media contracts and extra money came as a result of the league that Conference USA used to be.

I agree that that is a fair question. The current CUSA teams have much less nationwide fan appeal than the CUSA teams that moved up. There just isn't much difference anymore between CUSA, Sunbelt, and MAC.

If you look at Sagarin ratings for last year:
CUSA-West - 60.49
Sunbelt - 59.92
Mac-West 58.82
CUSA-East 57.13
MAC-East-56.11
MAC-East w/o UMass who is leaving - 58.55

Overall, CUSA averages 58.81. With U.Mass gone, the overall MAC average is 58.69. You can't get much closer than that. Of course, how they are today may not be how they will be in a few years. With that in mind, let's look at recruiting. Per Scout.com, for 2014 the average rating for CUSA teams was 657, while the average rating for MAC teams was 654. Again, you can't get much closer than that.

I suspect that over time, unless the CUSA pulls ahead in terms of team quality, the TV contracts and bowl contracts will become more equal between the two conferences. Time will tell, though. CUSA took a huge hit in the reorganization frenzy, and maybe they will recover to be better than the MAC, maybe not..

The big thing that drove CUSA's TV contract was the markets they were in. They had the top college teams in Houston, Dallas-Fort Worth and Memphis, and had a presence at least in Nawlins and Orlando. Now they have bupkis. (FAU and FIU are in the Miami area but at best they're the sixth and seventh teams of interest down there.) CBS may want to restructure the deal.

The new C-USA markets compared to the old actually grew by 43%. Going from 10.1 million homes to over 14.5 million. If our TV contract money goes down it won't be because we lost markets.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/20/2014 5:21:12 PM

Losing markets and losing market share are two different things.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/23/2014 8:16:41 PM

Marshall also picked #25 or right outside in a lot of polls..

Cato also has odds in the Heisman race this year....

Ohio has a 20,000 piss poor stadium and will miss out on a bowl this year because the MAC only offers 2.

We are... Marshall!

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/23/2014 9:32:49 PM

fedale wrote:

Marshall also picked #25 or right outside in a lot of polls..

Cato also has odds in the Heisman race this year....

Ohio has a 20,000 piss poor stadium and will miss out on a bowl this year because the MAC only offers 2.

Any polls that are out this time of year have the "way too early" label attached because (wait for it) ... IT'S WAAAAY TOO EARLY. Plus they're done by writers who get paid to do something and since it's the off-season, they have to justify their paychecks.

You're right...Cato might be on preseason Heisman lists. So are a lot of people.

You don't know sh*t about our stadium or the MAC. Given the cesspool that is Huntington WV, you're opinion of Peden is of little value. As for MAC bowls, we have five this season -- including several that CUSA is involved in.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/23/2014 9:34:55 PM

fedale wrote:

Cato also has odds in the Heisman race this year....

http://youtu.be/KX5jNnDMfxA?t=14s

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/24/2014 1:54:00 PM

fedale wrote:

Marshall also picked #25 or right outside in a lot of polls..

Cato also has odds in the Heisman race this year....

Ohio has a 20,000 piss poor stadium and will miss out on a bowl this year because the MAC only offers 2.

How come we keep beating you.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/25/2014 7:42:44 AM

L.C. wrote:

I think if Ohio had wanted in CUSA, they could have arranged to make that jump in the recent reshuffling of conferences. Ohio has a lot to offer, and would have been more attractive than some of the other schools that CUSA ended up settling on. Therefore I think you are wrong, and Ohio would not "jump at the chance" to join CUSA. A more interesting question is whether Ohio would "jump at the chance if given" to join the AAC. It's not the conference it once was, but I personally think that it's clearly better than MAC or CUSA. Even then, I don't know if that's the future that Ohio fans want. I know some would like to go the other way, and drop to Division II or lower.

As for Marshall, as much as Marshall fans talk up how much they like CUSA, I think they would jump at the chance, if given. to leave CUSA behind.

Marshall fans would be excited to make a move to a better conference, not just leave CUSA behind. AAC and ACC would make sense because the teams are close and some of them are good. Marshall fans would only be happy if a move was made to AAC, SEC, ACC, Big Ten, or Big 12 (really not sure about that one actually). Marshall could never compete in Big Ten, Big 12, or SEC so I'm not sure how we would feel if hell froze over and we were invited to one of those conferences. AAC or ACC would be no brainers for us. Until somethinging like that happens though, we do like the look of our conference and the ability to travel to games in Nashville, Charlotte, Virginia Beach area, Kentucky, Florida, and Alabama.

A move back to the MAC would never be supported by Herd fans. While we have close ties to teams like Ohio, Miami, and Toledo the perception by the fans would be that the move would be downward and a step backward. I'm not saying that is realistic, but it would be the perception. Some fans are pissed that we have so many MAC schools on our schedule this year.

Who really cares though? This thread was started by an Ohio fan, because The Herd (an opponent of yours) was picked to win the conference division. Immediately Ohio fans started trashing the division and then somehow it got turned into bickering about MAC vs CUSA. Funny stuff.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/25/2014 8:00:48 AM

mckayt wrote:

This thread was started by an Ohio fan, because The Herd (an opponent of yours) was picked to win the conference division. Immediately Ohio fans started trashing the division and then somehow it got turned into bickering about MAC vs CUSA. Funny stuff.

No it wasn't. The original post is mocking Terd's conference opponents, including NCAA powerhouses UAB, Florida Atlantic, and Old Dominion. It didn't turn into MAC vs. CUSA until goherd25 goes to the old reliable, "oh yeah but we make more money than you so we must be better" canard.

It's cool though. Obviously Terd cares only about money. If that's what floats your boat, fine. We won't be joining you in CUSA, ever, because we value other things too. How was probation, by the way?

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/25/2014 8:48:58 AM

mckayt wrote:

L.C. wrote:

Come on, even mentioning going to the ACC is a joke.
The reason Marshall likes the new conference is because it actually has a chance to win in it with most of the better athletic programs moving on to greener pastures. What's really left- a lot of potential, not much history of winning. Traveling to all those places will wreck everybody's budget except the richest fans. You forgot Texas trips to Houston and El Paso on occasion. Some okay places to go to vacation to, but how do you fit those trips into a working mans schedule. You sure can't fly there from Huntington very easily.
As far as you guys scheduling so many MAC schools, they're mostly a step up from who you'll be playing in conference so what's not to like.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/25/2014 12:23:02 PM

mckayt wrote:

You need to realize that nothing like that is going to happen. The ACC isn't going to lose schools of the financial penalty they've imposed and isn't expanding anytime soon. AAC might look to expand if and when Cincy and UConn are called up to the bigs (probably Big 12, cause all the others rejected them during the latest expansion). But AAC is all about TV markets and Huntington-Charleston doesn't make the cut. UMass would be a likely candidate because of its interest in the Boston area. AAC would likely take Charlotte before you guys. Realistically, the main thing in most of the conference reshuffling is TV money, and most MAC, CUSA, Sun Belt and even MWC schools can't deliver.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/26/2014 12:39:25 AM

Such a sensitive bunch. I never said the chance was good that we would get an invite to the ACC or even the AAC for that matter. I used a lot of "ifs". Why so much hate for the fact that we like our conference? Its pretty surprising considering the OH fans are quick to defend their allegiance to the MAC and any talk about the desire move to another conference is swiftly shot down. Again, y'all are quite sensitive. Hello pot, meet the kettle.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/26/2014 8:10:48 AM

mckayt wrote:

I didn't mean to be hateful. I'm just saying even talking about a move to the ACC was a joke, why even mention something that is so impossible. Hey I wish you the best in your new conference, it certainly has little to make it look like the old C-USA.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/26/2014 11:17:38 AM

You don't your conference. That's the thing. You want out and you want out now.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/26/2014 11:40:56 AM

mckayt wrote:

Not sensitive; just sensible. Realistically, except for Cincy and maybe UConn none of the schools in the "Group of 5" conferences will be moving up...EVER. The big guys have pretty much closed their club and are looking to cut us out of even being on the same field as they. And AAC -- which is the only Gof5 conference that might find itself needing to raid other conferences -- is strictly about TV markets (why else take Tulane?) and bigger stadiums (ECU has a 50,000 capacity). Pipedreams are fine; but don't take it to heart when other people shoot them down.

As for you guys liking your conference -- if you really liked your conference, why are you wanting to leave? I like the MAC and I'd rather see it improve from top to bottom than have Ohio move into some conference that's continually realigning itself.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/26/2014 2:00:33 PM

as temples, stupd cow comes here to gain the reflected glory of the OHIO in order to try to gain some validation for itself.

A curious approach given both schools recent lossing to OHIO.

Last Edited: 5/26/2014 2:00:59 PM by Monroe Slavin

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/26/2014 9:22:21 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

as temples, stupd cow comes here to gain the reflected glory of the OHIO in order to try to gain some validation for itself.

A curious approach given both schools recent lossing to OHIO.

Hardly. I didn't visit this site in months but it's a slow time for everyone (and I admittedly root for the Bobcats for whatever reason I don't really know) and when I get here I see that the most active topic is actually about Marshall. As of now, this thread has 65 replies and 2,191 views; 3 times the number of replies and views as anything else on your message board. Even after 3 straight years of ass whippins at the hand of the Bobcats, I still don't hate y'all. I don't despise you, envy you, or have any other feeling other than root for you when you aren't playing The Herd. Ohio creates no validation for Marshall or for Marshall fans. When we win this year, nobody will say "WE FINALLY MADE IT!!!"

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/26/2014 9:51:24 PM

mckayt wrote:

...this thread has 65 replies and 2,191 views; 3 times the number of replies and views as anything else on your message board.

Looks like funny math to me. Other threads on the front page have 2392. 2019, 2005, 1911, and so on. The way I learned math, 3x2392<>2191

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/27/2014 9:03:09 AM

I'm with mckayt. Let's quit talking about Marshall already. Enough.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/27/2014 9:18:28 AM

Agreed. But it makes even more sense to stop talking about Ohio State. Sheesh.

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RE: Herd picked 1st in CUSA East

Posted: 5/27/2014 2:02:58 PM

It makes even more sense to stop talking about Tariq Owens.

I think I just thought of a great off-season thread topic.

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