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Topic: RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Topic: RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

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Mark Lembright '85
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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/25/2014 9:49:19 PM

Diamond Cat wrote:

Jeff.....I love ya bro but please stop being so evangelical! The issue this university will continue to face is exactly what is happening right now. These situations are not readily recoverable my friend. I am sure that is the frustration of most on this board that truly bleed green. I assure you that is not everyone on this minority blog really do bleed green when it comes down to it.

You have so many versions of Bobcats here it is almost impossible for most to relate.

How many years have went by where 3 players have been released from their LOI with this level of talent? I have followed this program since 1983 and I can't remember any year?

Groce and JC are turncoats. Period. Of course they chase the almighty dollar just like corporate America.

The fact these kids cut bait is an end product of a Mid-Major Coaching Carousel. You have that correct. So what.

I do not accept that stance. Sorry. Is is possible Sal took a hardcore stance and said hit the road if you have any doubt of wearing the Green and White? I sure as hell hope so.

BANG! Oh baby what a big time stance!

You correct-what the heck were JC and JG thinking for taking a 300% increase in pay?! I know I sure would refuse such an offer. Not!

I mean, seriously, they're traitors? I'm pretty sure both were never alumni of Ohio (unlike the rest of us) they never went to school at Ohio and were merely employees of Ohio; nothing more, nothing less. They took a huge pay raise with their new employer. I think 99% of employees would do the same.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/25/2014 10:12:30 PM

ohio9704 wrote:

Again, thank you JC.

Hahaha.

So the FACT JC recruits this kid is good. The FACT he chooses to go elsewhere now and you blame JC.

Seems to me the bottom line is JC had some good kids coming in. So keep blasting him. In the meantime we'll be able to better evaluate how good Saul can recruit, both now and in the future.

And oh yeah, to go from making $400+K to well over a million makes JC a bad person? Sorry, but probably 99 out of 100 people would do the same.

Last Edited: 4/25/2014 10:16:26 PM by Jerry86

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/26/2014 12:17:41 AM

You can't blame guys for going when the big dollars come calling. Most of us would also. You wanna double my salary? Sure, I'll go work for tOSU, Miami, or Akron.

But in the same respect, you can't blame folks for feeling misled, lied to, etc. Most of these recruits probably feel that way when the guy(s) recruiting them aren't there when they arrive.

I make judgement basically on is the person leaving the job & school in as good or better spot than when they found it. IMO Groce certainly did that. (lower bar admittedly) JC won plenty of games, but probably didn't do much better than break even (if that). I can't fault him for leaving, but definitely cannot fault any fan that hates on him for how(and how soon) he did it.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/26/2014 12:31:08 AM

Diamond Cat--not sure what you mean by "evangelical"? I am pretty sure you're disagreeing with me! ; )

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/28/2014 3:39:23 PM

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Last Edited: 4/28/2014 3:41:05 PM by A-townBound

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/28/2014 4:31:14 PM

Well...I was disagreeing with you. I was implying your "evangelical" stance on the topic to mean showing very strong or enthusiastic feelings, in this case, towards the view it should not be a surprise we released his LOI.

I am surprised given the overall situation around the quality of the recruits. You sometimes take the stance that things are bound to go this way and that's the way it is.

Let's focus on stopping the "system" from raping our program of coaches so we continually have to start over at some point. Just like where we stand now - looking towards the late signing period to fill out a roster. That's usually a gamble.

I'm not content with how the system works. It wears you out after a couple of decades and it now seems to be tilted more and more against conferences like ours. I enjoy following the Cats and look forward to each new season. I just see a point where we can't win the battle in football and basketball.

It's all good. I may have had too many glasses of vino while composing that post as well :)

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/28/2014 6:38:36 PM

Diamond Cat wrote:

.......I just see a point where we can't win the battle in football and basketball.

....... I may have had too many glasses of vino while composing that post as well :)

and left a glass half empty.......

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/28/2014 7:10:58 PM

RSBobcat wrote:

Diamond Cat wrote:

.......I just see a point where we can't win the battle in football and basketball.

....... I may have had too many glasses of vino while composing that post as well :)

and left a glass half empty.......

Can't win?

Never?

You need to root for someone else.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/28/2014 8:05:15 PM

Morillo-Lajara's Monroe College teammate Arkeem Joseph verbally committed to UT-Martin and assistant coach Anthony Stewart this evening. I wonder if Nehemias is next?

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/28/2014 9:10:01 PM

Doc Bobcat wrote:

RSBobcat wrote:

Diamond Cat wrote:

.......I just see a point where we can't win the battle in football and basketball.

....... I may have had too many glasses of vino while composing that post as well :)

and left a glass half empty.......

Can't win?

Never?

You need to root for someone else.

Not sure to who you are commenting on here - but I'm in the glass half full (or more) crowd.........

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/28/2014 10:52:22 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

. . . They took a huge pay raise with their new employer. I think 99% of employees would do the same.

Jerry86 wrote:

. . . And oh yeah, to go from making $400+K to well over a million makes JC a bad person? Sorry, but probably 99 out of 100 people would do the same.

Do you guys read off the same talking points, or what?

And your not the only ones. I've seen people post nearly identical words on this subject ad nauseum. I realize that the opinions expressed here are the societal norm these days and everyone is expected to bow down to the almighty dollar, but every once in awhile it is refreshing to read about a person who places priorities somewhere else. Maybe you are right that's "the one percent." If true, that's a sad commentary on our society. Ok blast away and tell me just how out of touch I am. I'm tough. I can take it.

Last Edited: 4/28/2014 10:55:12 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/28/2014 11:22:53 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I realize that the opinions expressed here are the societal norm these days and everyone is expected to bow down to the almighty dollar, but every once in awhile it is refreshing to read about a person who places priorities somewhere else. Maybe you are right that's "the one percent." If true, that's a sad commentary on our society.

Why is that sad? Because they don't do what you want them to do? Serious question here. What priorities are out of place? Also, why are you pretending this is something new? Modern America has been shaped by the pursuit of the dollar.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/28/2014 11:47:40 PM

JSF, I'm going to answer your questions by way of an illustration of sorts. One of my favorite presidents once said: "the chief business of the American people is business." Yes, I accept that fact that as a society we are motivated by capitalist "make a buck" principles, but just like Calvin Coolidge, I'm not one dimensional in my thinking. Coolidge is often misquoted as having said, "the business of America is business." Therein lies a vast difference.

In fact, if you look at another quote from that same speech -- which was actually focused on talking about the role of a free press in a democracy -- it puts the issue in a different context: “Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it. . . . But it calls for additional effort to avoid even the appearance of the evil of selfishness. In every worthy profession, of course, there will always be a minority who will appeal to the baser instinct. There always have been, probably always will be, some who will feel that their own temporary interest may be furthered by betraying the interest of others.” [Emphasis Mine]

I'm suggesting that some of the our coaches in today's society make the accumulation of wealth as an end and not a means, to use Coolidge's parlance; and, thereby, they show a good deal of selfishness.

Last Edited: 5/30/2014 10:22:47 AM by OhioCatFan

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/29/2014 10:21:00 AM

OhioCatFan wrote:

JSF, I'm going to answer your questions by way of an illustration of sorts. One of my favorite presidents once said: "the chief business of the American people is business." Yes, I accept that fact that as a society we are motivated by capitalist "make a buck" principles, but just like Calvin Coolidge, I'm not one dimensional in my thinking. Coolidge is often misquoted as having said, "the business of American is business." Therein lies a vast difference.

In fact, if you look at another quote from that same speech -- which was actually focused on talking about the role of a free press in a democracy -- it puts the issue in a different context: “Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it. . . . But it calls for additional effort to avoid even the appearance of the evil of selfishness. In every worthy profession, of course, there will always be a minority who will appeal to the baser instinct. There always have been, probably always will be, some who will feel that their own temporary interest may be furthered by betraying the interest of others.” [Emphasis Mine]

I'm suggesting that some of the our coaches in today's society make the accumulation of wealth as an end and not a means, to use Coolidge's parlance; and, thereby, they show a good deal of selfishness.

Speaking solely for myself, I cannot fault a coach who moves on when his salary is increased by 300%. OCF, these pay raises aren't minimal-we're talking about a change-of-life type of pay raise. Please keep in mind that these coaches that move on are younger and are supporting their young families. For example, look at Coach Phillips. He has 3 children, all 10 and under in age I believe. At some point in time he's probably going to want to pay for their college (maybe not, I'm just assuming). College costs, as high as they are, are only going to go up over the next 8-10 years. Had Phillips stayed at NDSU, the odds are significant his children would attend college out of state. I can tell you right now the costs of paying for an out-of-state college are astronomical. I can't imagine what those costs will be in 8-10 years and what paying for 2-3 children to attend out of state would be! Should we fault him for leaving NDSU? Paying for 2 kids myself right now who are attending college I sure don't blame him. Like I said, he's not getting a 10% bump in pay-it's over 300%! Very, very few of us are lucky enough to be in the kind of financial situation to turn down that kind of pay raise. Ideally I agree with you. However, reality very often dictates otherwise.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/29/2014 12:15:11 PM

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

JSF, I'm going to answer your questions by way of an illustration of sorts. One of my favorite presidents once said: "the chief business of the American people is business." Yes, I accept that fact that as a society we are motivated by capitalist "make a buck" principles, but just like Calvin Coolidge, I'm not one dimensional in my thinking. Coolidge is often misquoted as having said, "the business of American is business." Therein lies a vast difference.

In fact, if you look at another quote from that same speech -- which was actually focused on talking about the role of a free press in a democracy -- it puts the issue in a different context: “Of course, the accumulation of wealth cannot be justified as the chief end of existence. But we are compelled to recognize it as a means to well-nigh every desirable achievement. So long as wealth is made the means and not the end, we need not greatly fear it. . . . But it calls for additional effort to avoid even the appearance of the evil of selfishness. In every worthy profession, of course, there will always be a minority who will appeal to the baser instinct. There always have been, probably always will be, some who will feel that their own temporary interest may be furthered by betraying the interest of others.” [Emphasis Mine]

I'm suggesting that some of the our coaches in today's society make the accumulation of wealth as an end and not a means, to use Coolidge's parlance; and, thereby, they show a good deal of selfishness.

I'm sure that there are lots of considerations that go into these decisions by coaches including the long term financial security that comes with making 3x your old salary. Put some of that new found money away and your financial future is pretty well set. But quality of life issues, unrelated to just money, come into play as well. Heck Saul's family may be closer to relatives by living in Athens than in ND.
Saul has mentioned what a great place Ohio is to recruit to - which should make his life easier in he long run. Resources to recruit, travel,etc also probably make his life easier. Wanting to play at a higher level of competition (assuming the MAC fills that bill)is not a bad thing.
Some people like to make more money so they can give part of it away.
We can't possibly know all that went into any coach's' decision to make these changes and I, for one, am not going to say they're all jerks, turncoats,selfish, etc because they do.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/29/2014 12:20:01 PM

Mark and Colorado, I understand your points, and I will confess to being an idealist. However, I would not compare the JC "greener pasture" move with SP's similar move. If memory is correct, SP was at NDSU for about ten years -- first as an assistant and then as head coach for the last seven years. From his statements -- both publicly and to me personally -- since his arrival he is looking for stability and will put the program needs ahead of his own personal ambitions. He seems cut from a different cloth than our previous two coaches. When he left NDSU he left them in good shape with a stable program. Evidence of that is that they named an assistant (associate head coach, I think his previous title was) as the new head coach very quickly after Saul left. It was, from what I can tell, a head coaching-in-waiting kind of situation. In terms of salary and the pursuit of money, Saul said in one recent interview something along the lines of "how much money do you really need to be happy." The general context of the remark was implying that he now has more money than he ever dreamed of and that at some point the pursuit of more cash would be kind of vain. I think Calvin Coolidge would have liked Saul!

Edit: I think it's funny that on at least one of the BC boards some are saying that Ohio got the better end of the deal and they would be happier with Saul than with JC. So, maybe things have worked out for the best in the long run. I do agree that some folks will become philanthropic with extra cash and that's a good thing. I suspect that JG is that kind of guy, and maybe JC too, for that matter. But I can also say that SP left the NDSU program in better and more stable shape than JC, and to a lesser extent JG.

Last Edited: 4/29/2014 12:27:52 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/29/2014 12:48:07 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I do like that about Coach Phillips too, that he did stay at NDSU for more than just a cup of coffee.

Please keep in mind too that we sort of have no room to complain-I'm sure there are those in North Dakota lamenting the fact that Ohio was able to offer so much to sway their coach to leave and don't think very highly of Ohio right now. In a very real sense Ohio is doing to others what others have done to Ohio-and I have no problem with that!

As always, a very interesting thread!

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/29/2014 1:04:47 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

This is kind of BS. NDSU loses 6 Seniors next year, the only difference is that the administration decided to hire an assistant coach who was already on staff. Because of this, most of the recruits stuck around.

If we had hired or at least kept Anthony Stewart on staff then I bet we would still have 2-3 of the recruits who left, as it seems like he was doing most of the heavy lifting in recruiting anyway.

Last Edited: 4/29/2014 1:08:59 PM by bigtillyoopsupsideurhead

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/29/2014 2:21:20 PM

OhioCatFan wrote:

I agree with your overall ideas. SP would look very bad if he were to leave after a year or so based on all the statements he's made. I would give him a pass if he were to get the Wisconsin job LOL.

Last Edited: 4/29/2014 2:30:00 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 4/30/2014 9:58:04 PM

JSF wrote:

JSF, you're usually a pretty-level headed, rational guy. But I don't understand your assertion here. My understanding is that your job is one that serves the greater good. You certainly didn't seem to chase the almighty dollar. Can you not appreciate the fact that others are motivated by things beyond money?

I've had opportunities to leave the faculty at OU for higher paying jobs at "bigger" schools. But I turned them down. I want to be here...this is home. Do I have "misplaced priorities" for this?

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 5/1/2014 12:14:04 AM

catfan28 wrote:

I've had opportunities to leave the faculty at OU for higher paying jobs at "bigger" schools. But I turned them down. I want to be here...this is home. Do I have "misplaced priorities" for this?

No. Nor do you have better priorities or more appropriate priorities. Nor do you have more idealistic priorities (ideals are personal). You simply have your priorities. And JC and JF and now Philips have theirs and I mine. I think one point is that triple the money impacts a number of priorities including those of someone who values family above all else e.g., the ability to assure financial security for your children's children.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 5/2/2014 8:43:40 AM

As mentioned earlier, looks like it's official:

‏@JonRothstein

Monroe's Nehemias Morrilo (6-6, SG) has committed to USF, source told @CBSSports. Dominican connections paying dividends 4 Orlando Antigua.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 5/2/2014 9:41:09 AM

TheRealMikeDrake wrote:

As mentioned earlier, looks like it's official:

‏@JonRothstein

Monroe's Nehemias Morrilo (6-6, SG) has committed to USF, source told @CBSSports. Dominican connections paying dividends 4 Orlando Antigua.

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LongDistanceBobcat called this almost a month ago. Very impressive.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 5/2/2014 10:01:44 AM

so the recruit from a Juco in New York goes to a school in Florida and the recruit from a Juco in Florida goes to a school in New York. interesting.

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RE: 2014 6'6" SF Nehemias Morillo-Lajara (Monroe CC) - Ohio Commit

Posted: 5/2/2014 11:38:12 AM

Yah, I get your point, but Wigginton is from Canada (closer to Buffalo) and Morillo is from the Dominican (closer to USF). So they both are actually getting closer to home.

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