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JSF
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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 1:55:43 AM

Robert Fox wrote:

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Turney13 wrote:

I know nothing - this is only what i heard... he's a really good kid and the whole story hasn't come out yet, but the rumor is her age, race and parents are all factors in what's going on. I have no idea so lets all wait and see how it unfolds...

The case doesnt sound very solid I'm not sure how you charge rape weeks after the fact after your pulled over in your own car with the "rapist" driving..but I will leave that question to the lawyers here on the board lol. Feel bad for the kid but god you just have to be smarter than that. One day before you shock the football world here in ohio...and you shock the world literally. As far as football hopefully there are some rabbits pulled out of the hat..maybe a 4 star that we didnt know about to help push this class into the top 2-3 where I thought we where headed prior til today!!

It's also VERY coincidental that these charges are leveled on the eve of signing day, almost as though the intent was to cause Mr. Lewis the greatest possible damage.

Yes, that was the thought process here.

COME ON people. If this guy wasn't football recruit for Ohio University, would you be cutting him this much slack?

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 2:45:42 AM

JSF wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Bobcatzblitz wrote:

Turney13 wrote:

It's also VERY coincidental that these charges are leveled on the eve of signing day, almost as though the intent was to cause Mr. Lewis the greatest possible damage.

Yes, that was the thought process here.

COME ON people. If this guy wasn't football recruit for Ohio University, would you be cutting him this much slack?

Yes, I would be cutting this guy this much slack.

Lets be honest, there are plenty of false rape accusations every month... There is a very serious rape problem in Athens. The cops and Mayor Wiehl are too busy dealing with the Noise Ordinance to worry about the serial rapist on Playground Street. I'm much less concerned about a black recruit who happened to get with the wrong white girl than I am with what is going on parallel to my house on Mill Street.

Seriously? Two times? That is BS. This sounds like a jealous ex to me...

Last Edited: 2/2/2012 2:46:34 AM by The Optimist

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 3:50:06 AM

Is there a wiser way to handle this situation than sitting back, saying nothing, and letting events unfold?

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 11:43:02 AM

After clicking the link to that yahoo story, I was reminded of why I really do hate the comment section, for articles.

Speaking clearly from hearsay, this story definitely does sound odd. The mere fact that there are two counts of rape with the same individual is one thing. Reading here on the messageboard that he was pulled over driving the "alleged" victims car while she was in it, really makes it an eyebrow raiser. Rape w/o question is a very serious offense and any and all claims should be investigated to the fullest. But here is my issue... if (and I'm not picking sides), but IF you are accused of rape by an individual, and it is a totally bogus claim (clearly hypothetical)...

WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU PUT YOURSELF IN THE POSITION TO BE ACCUSED AGAIN BY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL?!?

By no means am I downplaying the alleged rape, but another issue here not to be ignored is one of simple decision making. I mean we're talking, "the pot is hot, don't touch the pot" type of stuff.

That being said, on the scholly situation, I'm all for holding one. I mean if the kid is potentially a difference-maker and it turns out that the claims are totally baseless-- and his history is clean otherwise, why walk away from him. The potential PR hit could be nothing nice and understandably so. I mean I don't want to see OU reach the next level, at the expense of our name and credibility. IF, all of this does turn out in his favor however and he's extended a scholly/walk-on oppty., I would get this kid a group of mentors POST-HASTE!!!

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disclaimer: I am so anti-blaming the victim it isn't funny. However with the few sparse details I've been afforded here in this thread (validated or not), I'm definitely not one for hasty judgement. As others have said, a definite slippery slope here for a number of reasons.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 12:01:15 PM

Slimmy da'Bobcat wrote:

WHY IN THE HELL WOULD YOU PUT YOURSELF IN THE POSITION TO BE ACCUSED AGAIN BY THE SAME INDIVIDUAL?!?

I could be mistaken, but my read of all of the stories is that he was initially accused, during the january traffic stop, of rapes that occured in december and january. I don't believe that a rape complaint had been made to any law enforcement officials before that point, but I could be mistaken on that count.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 1:05:25 PM

The facts will come out....he has been in some sort of "relationship" with the girl since they where freshmen..the media has not reported this tidbit..also he was never accused of anything prior to getting pulled over on Jan 6th in her car with her in the car with him on the way to pick up a friend. Remaining in contact with him even after she made the accusations...facebook friends w/him...to this day, tweeting happily before and after..and finally making a couple of threatening tweets 3 days before his arrest a day before signing day. What I think happened or what everyone on this board thinks happened really doesnt mean crap...he has been judged in the eyes of the public as most men accused of any sexually deviant crimes are especially athletes of his skin tone. The only thing that matters is justice will be served and he will get his day in court , will all more than likely get confirmation whether something occured or if it was all a major setup. Coach Solich being the type of man that he is will wait until there is a judgement in the case I'm sure and if there where any questionable activities then Lewis obviously has bigger things to worry about. If he is found not guilty or the charges are dropped with out prejudice then Roger will sign his letter or intent to Ohio.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 1:06:36 PM

That was my understanding, too, but I don't think that the timeline has been clearly laid out in the press. I thought he supposedly raped her twice, and then was pulled over driving her car, with her as a passenger, and then at some point after that the charges were filed.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 1:29:19 PM

Didn't I read somewhere that he has had other run-ins with the law, perhaps speeding tickets and driving without a license? Not to mention that he may or may not be academically eligible.

Also, don't you clowns know that most women that are sexually assaulted are assaulted by steady dating partners? The lack of empathy on here is staggering, even for a football recruiting message board.

The only way they hold a scholarship for Roger is if he came to Frank and Co. and told them about this situation ahead of time and our coaches feel confident that Roger is a good kid and that he will be fully vindicated. Then, and only then, would it be reasonable to hold the scholarship and show loyalty to someone going through a tough time. That would be the right thing to do regardless of his talent or how many stars Rivals gives him.

But, lets not forget, he came to us at the 11'th hour when no one else wanted him. Outside of the scenario described above, we have no obligation to show him "loyalty".

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 1:41:09 PM

He was driving her car when they where pulled over for speeding and he had no permit/She then in the course of the traffic stop makes the accusation that she was raped back in DEC and that same day Jan 6...there is no lack of empathy I am just stating the facts that have been released by police. I would ask the question however about the time in between the accused rapes and why where they consensual,and why the HELL are you with the guy allowing him to drive your car? Now that's just my opinion if my son was accused of such nasty crimes I would want to know the same things. No one in here is a lawyer I don't believe so our opinions really dont matter. Ohio staff knows what is going on and things have been made clear to Roger what needs to happen and they are pretty obvious..the fact that there is a possibility the charges are false leaves open a window where he could later sign his letter of intent and until that happens there is really no need for further discussion. If not he has bigger worries.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 1:46:44 PM

Your statements are off point quite a bit....he has a 3.2 gpa but bombed the ACT the one time he took the thing. Secondly 8 D-1 schools visited his high school personally in 2 days with Ohio being the 1st and securing that weekend official. One of his coaches stated that Toledo offered to come and pick him up in the middle of his official visit in Athens and Roger said heck no and hung up the phone(pretty dirty recruiting if you ask me Toledo) Keep it Classy!
Regardless none of that matters now to say the least.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 2:01:26 PM

I am a bit torn about the man's guilt. Based on the facts presented, certainly there seems to be some details that maybe don't add up. But for charges to actually be filed, you would think the police have a pretty good case against him. There probably are facts both ways that have not been made public at this point and it's way too early to judge.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 2:02:45 PM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

Exactly!!

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 2:06:16 PM

Bobcatzblitz wrote:

I would ask the question however about the time in between the accused rapes and why where they consensual,and why the HELL are you with the guy allowing him to drive your car?

You're looking at things for a rational point of view. However, rape victims don't act rationally 99% of the time. They are scared and confused and blaming themselves.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 2:24:07 PM

JSF wrote:

COME ON people. If this guy wasn't football recruit for Ohio University, would you be cutting him this much slack?

I'm always going to come down on the side of "innocent until proven guilty. It doesn't matter if the person accused is someone I like, dislike, or whatever. I am shocked and appalled that so many people judge people guilty as soon as they are accused. We have a legal system for a reason - let it work. If he's found guilty, he should be punished accordingly, and that means no football. If he's found innocent, then he should be the same rights as any other person, and that includes being allowed to sign a LOI, and get a scholarship, if he is academically eligible.

Last Edited: 2/2/2012 2:30:28 PM by L.C.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 2:37:58 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

..The only way they hold a scholarship for Roger.....

We may have a miscommunication here. By "holding the scholarship" what is meant is that the offer remains open. It doesn't mean keeping one of the 85 unused. It just means that, if the day comes when he is acquitted, and also he is academically eligible, they will give him one when one comes available.

Last Edited: 2/2/2012 2:38:21 PM by L.C.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 2:43:48 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

Also, don't you clowns know that most women that are sexually assaulted are assaulted by steady dating partners? The lack of empathy on here is staggering, even for a football recruiting message board.

Clowns? That's ironic. Clearly no one, outside of a very few, know what's going on here. We can't realistically be empathetic to either Lewis or his girlfriend, can we? We can't be empathetic AND we can't judge them, can we?

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 3:25:31 PM

L.C. wrote:

JSF wrote:

COME ON people. If this guy wasn't football recruit for Ohio University, would you be cutting him this much slack?

That's totally cool, Carl. My problem- and in my anger I did not express this properly- is when people immediately fly into blaming the victim and discrediting her.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 3:31:01 PM

L.C. wrote:

Paul Graham wrote:

..The only way they hold a scholarship for Roger.....

L.C. Glad you kept working the focus. The above process just makes sense. The initial impression from "holding" a ship for him was that one would be reserved for him, not used by another. Thanks,

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 3:43:00 PM

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

But for charges to actually be filed, you would think the police have a pretty good case against him.

Disclaimer #1: I have not reviewed Lewis's file, and I do not know the procedural steps taken up to his arrest (i.e., whether it was submitted to the grand jury before a warrant was issued, etc.).
Disclaimer #2: I am a lawyer, but I do not regularly practice criminal law, so I have a limited familiarity with the general procedure in Ohio, and no familiarity with the customs and practices of Fairfield County.

That being said, I have spent a fair amount of time around courthouses, around judges, around prosecutors, and around law enforcement officials. My general impression: Police will act as soon as they feel they have sufficient grounds for an arrest warrant (which are not even remotely near sufficient for conviction....for instance, an anonymous witness can be grounds for a warrant, but not conviction.). Then they leave it to the prosecutors to determine whether or not to proceed.

So, in this case (PURE SPECULATION BECAUSE I HAVE NOT READ THE FILE), it would not surprise me if the girl reported the rapes, the police got their warrant and made their arrest, and now the prosecutors are reviewing to determine whether there is enough evidence to get beyond reasonable doubt.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 4:27:11 PM

C Money wrote:

UpSan Bobcat wrote:

But for charges to actually be filed, you would think the police have a pretty good case against him.

Right, but just to clarify, I wasn't saying the police certainly had enough of a case to prove his guilt, only that there must be some kind of reason for them to believe her story. There's bound to be something other than just her saying she was raped, which is basically the only evidence that is presented.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 4:31:50 PM

An update on Lewis' legal situation:

http://www.thisweeknews.com/content/stories/pickerington/news/2012/01/31/central-football-standout-charged-with-rape.html

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 4:34:25 PM

Robert Fox wrote:

Paul Graham wrote:

Well Robert, the reason that I spoke about empathy was the following statements....

"Looks like someone has put out her name and statues updates from her social media and judging from the looks of her public statements on the days these "rapes" happened I have to say I am inclined to side with Roger..(I'm sorry you just dont make happy statements after something like that happens do you?")"

"The case doesnt sound very solid I'm not sure how you charge rape weeks after the fact...."

"Seriously? Two times? That is BS. This sounds like a jealous ex to me..."

"The mere fact that there are two counts of rape with the same individual is one thing."

All of these statements showcase a fundamental misunderstanding of what rape and sexual assault are and how women deal with the events and the aftermath. I'm not sure why I would expect a more nuanced viewpoint on a football message board, but still, I guess I am slightly shocked at how quick people were to blame the accuser.

Its fine to withhold judgment from the accused, I'm right there with you. But questioning the validity of the accusations simply because the alleged victim was seen with Lewis or that he was driving her car, is simply ignorance. Rape, the majority of the time, is an act perpetrated by a family member, a friend or a partner.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 4:38:42 PM

JSF wrote:

That's totally cool, Carl. My problem- and in my anger I did not express this properly- is when people immediately fly into blaming the victim and discrediting her.

OK, then, sounds like we understand. I agree that is is no more appropriate to blame the victim than it is to leap to conclusions that the accused is guilty. A date rape scenario is going to always be a very difficult one to ascertain the truth. In the end the legal system will reach some conclusion on his guilt on innocence, and we can move on.

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 5:09:53 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

Robert Fox wrote:

Paul Graham wrote:

Well Robert, the reason that I spoke about empathy was the following statements....

"Looks like someone has put out her name and statues updates///

So she's a sculptor?

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

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RE: Roger Lewis

Posted: 2/2/2012 5:55:53 PM

Jeff Johnson wrote:

An update on Lewis' legal situation:

http://www.thisweeknews.com/content/stories/pickerington/news/2012/01/31/central-football-standout-charged-with-rape.html

I think what is interesting about that article is what it doesn't say:
1. The Prosecutor's Office was involved in the investigation, but that doesn't necessarily mean there was an attorney involved (could have been a victim's rights advocate or some other non-attorney in the office).
2. It's unclear whether the case will even be presented to the grand jury. All we know is that Lewis hasn't been indicted yet.
3. A visiting judge reduced his bond to $75,000. Visiting judges typically only get involved when there is a conflict of interest with the sitting judge (although not necessarily). If that's the case, it's only going to add fuel to the conspiracy fire.
4. I'm confused as to why this is even before the Municipal Court. Maybe that's just the local custom, but if a felony rape charge will ultimately have to go through Common Pleas Court, why not start the process there?

Lots of weirdness about this whole situation setting off my lawyer Spidey-sense.... I swear, if anyone out there is contemplating law school, make sure you are comfortable with being paranoid about everything in life before you send in those applications.

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