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Topic:  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
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Mark Lembright '85
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/17/2016 8:23:58 AM 
AJ didn't have any other D1 offers and I'd say he's done very well so far....
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/17/2016 12:10:28 PM 
AJ was initially a walk-on so we did not risk a scholarship. As we all know he earned his scholarship on the field.
He got his chance when none of our backs could hold onto the ball at Kent. I think he was the 3rd or 4th string back going into that game.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/17/2016 1:32:31 PM 
I note that Edgewood Academy went from 13-0 in Rourke's senior season, with most games not even close, to 0-11 the following year. The only person from the 2015 team that got a D1 scholarship was a DE that went to Troy. I grant that they don't play football at the highest level, but maybe Rourke was a difference maker.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/17/2016 5:05:14 PM 
So, mis-taking anecdotal for necessarily the rule, should we endeavor to recruit a slate full of young men who have no other offers?

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/18/2016 12:09:07 AM 
I seldom make my thoughts known about recruits after watching a little bit of video. However, I think this guy has what it takes. His line was like a sieve yet he was able to escape keep his eyes down field and make completions. It should make for an interesting quarterback battle but I would not be surprised if he wins it and is the starter next year
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/18/2016 11:32:00 AM 
L.C. wrote:
I note that Edgewood Academy went from 13-0 in Rourke's senior season, with most games not even close, to 0-11 the following year. The only person from the 2015 team that got a D1 scholarship was a DE that went to Troy. I grant that they don't play football at the highest level, but maybe Rourke was a difference maker.


Edgewood had a 55 game winning streak before Rourke got there, so don't give him too much credit on the 13-0
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/18/2016 1:04:26 PM 
They lost a couple major recruits the year before Rourke got there, a 4 star to Auburn, and a 3-star to Vandy, but managed to keep the streak going. The mystery to me isn't the 55 game streak, but the drop from 13-0 to 0-11 in a single year. You don't see that happen too often.

As a comparison point, there was a big drop in Athens, with the loss of Burrow, Williams, and the Leuhrman twins in one year, but they didn't drop all the way from a near state championship team to 0-fer.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/18/2016 7:11:33 PM 
L.C. wrote:
They lost a couple major recruits the year before Rourke got there, a 4 star to Auburn, and a 3-star to Vandy, but managed to keep the streak going. The mystery to me isn't the 55 game streak, but the drop from 13-0 to 0-11 in a single year. You don't see that happen too often.

As a comparison point, there was a big drop in Athens, with the loss of Burrow, Williams, and the Leuhrman twins in one year, but they didn't drop all the way from a near state championship team to 0-fer.


NO by historical Athens standards they had an average year and still played much better competition than the Alabama private school. And understand that top to bottom, Ohio football is much better than Alabama football, in depth and quality.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/18/2016 8:21:05 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
They lost a couple major recruits the year before Rourke got there, a 4 star to Auburn, and a 3-star to Vandy, but managed to keep the streak going. The mystery to me isn't the 55 game streak, but the drop from 13-0 to 0-11 in a single year. You don't see that happen too often.

As a comparison point, there was a big drop in Athens, with the loss of Burrow, Williams, and the Leuhrman twins in one year, but they didn't drop all the way from a near state championship team to 0-fer.


NO by historical Athens standards they had an average year and still played much better competition than the Alabama private school. And understand that top to bottom, Ohio football is much better than Alabama football, in depth and quality.

Right. So, any idea how they got from 13-0 to 0-11 against bad competition?

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/18/2016 9:30:37 PM 
L.C. wrote:
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They lost a couple major recruits the year before Rourke got there, a 4 star to Auburn, and a 3-star to Vandy, but managed to keep the streak going. The mystery to me isn't the 55 game streak, but the drop from 13-0 to 0-11 in a single year. You don't see that happen too often.

As a comparison point, there was a big drop in Athens, with the loss of Burrow, Williams, and the Leuhrman twins in one year, but they didn't drop all the way from a near state championship team to 0-fer.


NO by historical Athens standards they had an average year and still played much better competition than the Alabama private school. And understand that top to bottom, Ohio football is much better than Alabama football, in depth and quality.

Right. So, any idea how they got from 13-0 to 0-11 against bad competition?


Yeah, they ran out of international DI studs from Africa.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/18/2016 10:37:07 PM 
Casper71 wrote:
I seldom make my thoughts known about recruits after watching a little bit of video. However, I think this guy has what it takes. His line was like a sieve yet he was able to escape keep his eyes down field and make completions. It should make for an interesting quarterback battle but I would not be surprised if he wins it and is the starter next year


I think we've arrived at some kind of watershed moment here, with Casper71 high on our new QB recruit and not complaining about his number of stars! ;-) Seriously, I think that this guy looks good also. Monroe's complaining, but that's par for the course (sorry for the lane ass golf reference).

Here's an interesting article about NFL all-stars and their rankings coming out of high school. It's interesting that about the same number were four- and five-star recruits as where three-, two-, one- and no star recruits.

http://tinyurl.com/hr2ehsu

And, here's a very interesting blurb from that article about a no-star recruit out of high school:

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Rodgers received very little Division I interest after he finished high school in Chico, Calif. Rodgers went unranked in the 2002 class. Illinois was the only school who showed interest, and they only offered him an opportunity to compete for a scholarship as a walk-on. He instead played his first season after high school at Butte College, a junior college in Oroville, Calif. After a successful season, he looked to transfer to Division 1 and became a three-star recruit. He then committed to play at California.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/19/2016 8:52:12 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
They lost a couple major recruits the year before Rourke got there, a 4 star to Auburn, and a 3-star to Vandy, but managed to keep the streak going. The mystery to me isn't the 55 game streak, but the drop from 13-0 to 0-11 in a single year. You don't see that happen too often.

As a comparison point, there was a big drop in Athens, with the loss of Burrow, Williams, and the Leuhrman twins in one year, but they didn't drop all the way from a near state championship team to 0-fer.


NO by historical Athens standards they had an average year and still played much better competition than the Alabama private school. And understand that top to bottom, Ohio football is much better than Alabama football, in depth and quality.

Right. So, any idea how they got from 13-0 to 0-11 against bad competition?


Yeah, they ran out of international DI studs from Africa.

Actually that was the puzzling part. The DE from Nigeria (Prince Tega Wanogno), who was the 4-star that went to Auburn, left the year before Rourke arrived, as did the 3-star guy that went to Vandy (Josh Crawford). Losing two players of that caliber, for such a small school, might well have led to a drop in performance, but instead they added Rourke and cruised to another 13-0 season.

After that 13-0 season, the only recruited player with a D-1 scholarship was Kelvin Lucky, a DE who went to Troy. They also lost Rourke, of course, who went to Fort Scott.

As an interesting note, they have two recruited player on this years 0-11 team. One is an ILB who has verballed to Army (Jeremiah Lowery). The other is Rourke's favorite receiving target, Jackson Tate, who is reported to have offers from Army, Citadel, Troy, and W. Kentucky.

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   Posted: 12/19/2016 9:11:54 AM 
Jackson Tate along with his brother transferred to Park Crossing.

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   Posted: 12/19/2016 10:52:07 AM 
Ah, so that's two more player losses that contributed to the switch from 13-0 to 0-11.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/19/2016 10:54:58 AM 
His footwork and arm strength are just not there on the video. He'll need a lot of help from a staff that has struggled to develop quarterbacks.
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   Posted: 12/19/2016 11:40:40 AM 
Paul Graham wrote:
His footwork and arm strength are just not there on the video. He'll need a lot of help from a staff that has struggled to develop quarterbacks.


I saw the same thing, but his line was TERRIBLE, but he did a good job improvising. We would need to see high school tape to accurately critique him. His arm strength is not great, but it is better than TT's.

Last Edited: 12/23/2016 9:00:56 AM by allen

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  Message Not Read  RE: 2017 QB Nathan Rourke (Fort Scott CC) - Ohio Commit
   Posted: 12/19/2016 12:01:35 PM 
Seems to me, given he's often throwing off-balance, his arm strength is pretty good. He escapes one direction and sends an across-the-grain pass that is on-target and has pretty good velocity. Very few looks at his strength when he can get planted and deliver a pass.

But hey, I'm no quarterback coach. Couldn't tell you if his "footwork" is good or bad.
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   Posted: 12/19/2016 8:27:57 PM 
He is definitely going to have fans on edge but also do some great things. You cant teach creativity and instincts. If he leaves the pocket our receivers should catch alot of footballs because he does look downfield. That zone stretch play action would open some things down field that he runs well. He shows flashes of being a "gamer" but the competition is definitely in question. Who was our last commit from this JUCO??
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   Posted: 12/19/2016 9:16:24 PM 
I think the Twins came from that college. They are the top conference in JUCO, Fort Scott happened to be bad this year.

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   Posted: 12/19/2016 9:58:13 PM 
Here's a film of him playing in Alabama:
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/3941701/5721c9a464e96b638012be35
Even here, he's running quite a bit, but he does sometimes just drop back and throw it.

I still think the most amazing stat is 0 sacks for Fort Scott. Is his nickname "Houdini"?

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   Posted: 12/19/2016 10:36:49 PM 
It is good thing that he went to JUCo for a year, because his high school opponents looked like they were point shaving. They were awful. That being said, he definitely has the talent to play at Ohio. He can't run backwards 20 yards and he will have to work on his footwork. His arm strength is adequate and he is pretty accurate. Him Keszei and Maxwell and the last QB should have a nice battle ahead.

Last Edited: 12/23/2016 8:59:28 AM by allen

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   Posted: 12/19/2016 11:32:47 PM 
Well OCF, all we have to do is get those 10-3 star linemen around this guy and he will be an ALL MAC performer:)
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   Posted: 12/20/2016 9:17:19 AM 
allen wrote:
I think the Twins came from that college. They are the top conference in JUCO, Fort Scott happened to be bad this year.



I looked it up. Kadre Pinder was our last recruit out of Fort Scott. Leftwitch twins were before him.
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   Posted: 12/20/2016 11:31:05 AM 
ExCat, any thoughts on this QB addition, and on how he will fit in at Ohio?

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   Posted: 12/21/2016 5:43:10 AM 
Here is a great indepth article on Rourke's commitment. http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/nfl/canadian-qb-standout... /

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