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Topic:  RE: QB Recruiting
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Monroe Slavin
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  Message Not Read  RE: QB Recruiting
   Posted: 5/5/2015 12:56:35 AM 
Paul, are you intimating that prospective recruits have watched us recently and found us unattractive to play for?

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Mike Johnson
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   Posted: 5/5/2015 8:12:15 AM 
Paul Graham wrote:
Mike mentioned the "reputation" thing...and I think that's part of it too. Top QB's are not choosing Ohio, despite the relative stability of our coaching staff, commitment from the administration and the moderate success we've had. Ohio is a better academic institution than many of our peers, modulo Miami. So what could it be? The only thing left is that they (players, coaches, etc..) don't feel that Ohio is the right fit.

Frank has a no-frills, run the ball, grind out a win type of reputation. This is what is probably scaring folks away.


Just to clarify, I didn't say Frank has a reputation. Rather I wondered what it might be among high school coaches.

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L.C.
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  Message Not Read  RE: QB Recruiting
   Posted: 5/5/2015 9:51:00 AM 
Well, clearly recruiting in all areas is getting better each year, and QB is no exception to that. The QB recruiting issues started before Solich got to Ohio, and, as some have suggested, may be related to Ohio's reputation for the option.

If you include JUCOs from a standpoint of "stars", actually QB is probably the strongest position for recruiting Ohio has had. Boo Jackson was a 4-star recruit from Scout, for example. Jones, Windham, and Scott all got at least one 3-star rating, I believe.

Getting back on track, let's hope they land a good QB in this class.

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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  RE: QB Recruiting
   Posted: 5/5/2015 11:31:32 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Well, clearly recruiting in all areas is getting better each year, and QB is no exception to that. The QB recruiting issues started before Solich got to Ohio, and, as some have suggested, may be related to Ohio's reputation for the option.

If you include JUCOs from a standpoint of "stars", actually QB is probably the strongest position for recruiting Ohio has had. Boo Jackson was a 4-star recruit from Scout, for example. Jones, Windham, and Scott all got at least one 3-star rating, I believe.

Getting back on track, let's hope they land a good QB in this class.


While I'm not sure I see QB as a position of strength in our recruiting, you mention the 'stars' of our recruits. Duckworth, Windham, Jones, and Scott were 3 stars. That then begs a larger question, are our coaches unable to help a QB in their development? Our WRs seem to truly develop greatly over their tenure at OHIO. I'd say our secondary and our linebackers are similar. But at QB, there doesn't seem to be a significant trajectory in development of our QBs.

ESPN uses their QBR, a rating out of 100. In Tyler's three years as a starter, he went down, from 68.3 to 67.3 to 63.3 in his three years as a starter. In 2008, Boo Jackson was our main QB. He had a QBR of 58.1. In 2010 (injured most of 2009), Boo's QBR was 50.3. In 2009, Theo Scott's third year with the school, he had a QBR of 44.0. In Brad Bower's third year with OHIO, his QBR was 35.0.

It's hard to show improvement by any of our QBs during their time at OHIO. I've thoroughly enjoyed the Frank era, but this is a significant mark on his tenure. The most important position on the football field has either been overlooked, under-coached, or poorly staffed.

**Interesting note...the QB with this best single-year QBR according to ESPN stats: Derrius Vick, 2014, with a QBR of 68.8. I can only hope that is one we see improving for the first time. Interestingly, that's inflated by the Kent State (95.6) and Idaho (99.4) games. The rest of the games, his QBR is as up-and-down as it gets (7.3, 40.8, 43.9, 58.5, 67.9, 42.5).
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Paul Graham
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   Posted: 5/5/2015 11:40:42 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Paul, are you intimating that prospective recruits have watched us recently and found us unattractive to play for?



Yes, I am :)
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Paul Graham
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  Message Not Read  RE: QB Recruiting
   Posted: 5/5/2015 11:46:04 AM 
finnOhio wrote:
L.C. wrote:
Well, clearly recruiting in all areas is getting better each year, and QB is no exception to that. The QB recruiting issues started before Solich got to Ohio, and, as some have suggested, may be related to Ohio's reputation for the option.

If you include JUCOs from a standpoint of "stars", actually QB is probably the strongest position for recruiting Ohio has had. Boo Jackson was a 4-star recruit from Scout, for example. Jones, Windham, and Scott all got at least one 3-star rating, I believe.

Getting back on track, let's hope they land a good QB in this class.


While I'm not sure I see QB as a position of strength in our recruiting, you mention the 'stars' of our recruits. Duckworth, Windham, Jones, and Scott were 3 stars. That then begs a larger question, are our coaches unable to help a QB in their development? Our WRs seem to truly develop greatly over their tenure at OHIO. I'd say our secondary and our linebackers are similar. But at QB, there doesn't seem to be a significant trajectory in development of our QBs.

ESPN uses their QBR, a rating out of 100. In Tyler's three years as a starter, he went down, from 68.3 to 67.3 to 63.3 in his three years as a starter. In 2008, Boo Jackson was our main QB. He had a QBR of 58.1. In 2010 (injured most of 2009), Boo's QBR was 50.3. In 2009, Theo Scott's third year with the school, he had a QBR of 44.0. In Brad Bower's third year with OHIO, his QBR was 35.0.

It's hard to show improvement by any of our QBs during their time at OHIO. I've thoroughly enjoyed the Frank era, but this is a significant mark on his tenure. The most important position on the football field has either been overlooked, under-coached, or poorly staffed.

**Interesting note...the QB with this best single-year QBR according to ESPN stats: Derrius Vick, 2014, with a QBR of 68.8. I can only hope that is one we see improving for the first time. Interestingly, that's inflated by the Kent State (95.6) and Idaho (99.4) games. The rest of the games, his QBR is as up-and-down as it gets (7.3, 40.8, 43.9, 58.5, 67.9, 42.5).


Very good post.


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Paul Graham
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  Message Not Read  RE: QB Recruiting
   Posted: 5/5/2015 11:46:51 AM 
L.C. wrote:
Well, clearly recruiting in all areas is getting better each year, and QB is no exception to that. The QB recruiting issues started before Solich got to Ohio, and, as some have suggested, may be related to Ohio's reputation for the option.

If you include JUCOs from a standpoint of "stars", actually QB is probably the strongest position for recruiting Ohio has had. Boo Jackson was a 4-star recruit from Scout, for example. Jones, Windham, and Scott all got at least one 3-star rating, I believe.

Getting back on track, let's hope they land a good QB in this class.


I think the guy they got this year had no other offers...am I right about that?
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L.C.
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   Posted: 5/5/2015 12:25:51 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
... That then begs a larger question, are our coaches unable to help a QB in their development? ...

Ohio did have a new QB coach in 2013, and Vick's numbers were not bad in 2013, so I'm optimistic that Isphording will do a good job as a QB coach. I think that the IPF will also help QB development.

Paul Graham wrote:
I think the guy they got this year had no other offers...am I right about that?

Yes, that is correct. When a player has a lot of other offers it means he's been well scouted, and you can be pretty sure he has talent. When a player has no other offers, the results are all over the place, anywhere from great to awful. I can cite many players that had no other offers that came and left and made no mark, but at the other extreme, remember that the very best players in the MAC tend to be ones that had no other offers. Some of the good ones that had no other offers include Brazill, Carrie, Dri Archer, and Khalil Mack. I personally think Maxwell is going to be a very solid QB.

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Ted Thompson
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  Message Not Read  RE: QB Recruiting
   Posted: 5/11/2015 7:47:11 AM 

Ohio just offered Sam Johnson III, class of....2019 (do that math). He's a QB prospect out of Southfield, MI. Not a lot to do with this thread. Just continue to be amazed how far out recruiting keeps getting pushed.

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   Posted: 5/11/2015 10:02:59 AM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
Ohio just offered Sam Johnson III, class of....2019 (do that math). He's a QB prospect out of Southfield, MI. Not a lot to do with this thread. Just continue to be amazed how far out recruiting keeps getting pushed.


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