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Topic: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Topic: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

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Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/6/2010 11:40:29 PM

Perhaps, a bit premature, but that's a question many are now asking. What's your best guess?

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 1:27:59 AM

I would guess the winner of the Ohio-Ohio State game on Sept 18th.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 7:26:00 AM

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 7:40:26 AM

No one.

I dont think the voters are gonna be convinced enough for it to happen. Virginia Tech is a solid program. Its one thing to beat them on any given night. Its another to beat them, then beat another good team (Miami), then another (Ga. Tech), then another (UNC), etc. And that's just the ACC. Imagine if they played in the Big Ten or SEC.

I would love to see them play for the national title, no doubt about it. However, the powers that be hate watching their money fly out the door. So, in my humble opinion, I still say a one-loss Alabama, Ohio State, Iowa, Florida, Wisconsin, or Auburn will get into the BCS title game before Boise State. If two other teams from from power conferences go undefeated, then all of this is moot anyways. An undefeated Oklahoma, Texas, or Nebraska jumps them I think.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 9:02:53 AM

A lot of football still to be played.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 9:33:07 AM

Was debating this last night with a few other bobcatattackers. My answer: I certainly hope not.

Boise looked like an ok team last night, but the eyeball test tells me they are a top 15 program; top 10 at best.

VTech is always overrated, every year. I cannot even remember the last time they had anything that resembled a passing game. Had they not puked all over themselves in the 1st quarter, they probably win this game by 2 TDs. Boise's defense was getting beat up in the 2nd half as it was, and as someone said earlier in this thread, if they can barely get through their first game, how would they fair over the course of a 12 game season against protypical, D1 size athletes?

To their credit, they usually get up for their one annual 'big' game, but considering they're like 6-6 against ranked opponents in the last 5 years, I couldn't give them a shot at the title. When your marquee trio of victories (may) be against VTech (who I bet loses at least 1 more game), Oregon State, and Nevada, I wouldn't putt that ahead of a one loss Florida/Bama/Ohio St/Wisconsion who could each have 3-5 wins over ranked opponents.

Last Edited: 9/7/2010 9:36:34 AM by Ozcat

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 10:32:24 AM

Anyone who'd put an undefeated Boise behind a one-loss other school is thinkin' stinkin'.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 10:43:32 AM

Could be Cal Poly who is still undefeated after a come from behind over Humboldt State! If they make the title game against Boise State, Cal Poly Grad John Madden might come out of retirement to broadcast the game and interview Cal Poly President Dr. Robert Glidden!

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 10:47:20 AM

This whole conversation is everything wrong with college football in a nutshell.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 10:47:46 AM

If Boise is one of two undefeated teams then they are in over a 1 loss anyone. If one of three, they will be pushed out because of the attitudes shown above. Love the way OSU fans jump up and say an undefeated Boise is not worthy because of their record against ranked teams in the last x number of years (of course Boise in the last 2-3 years have won when asked) or some so called eye-ball test. Don't remember the OSU fans appreciating the rest of the country bringing up the eye-ball test or their record in the big game when the Buckeyes were embarrassed annually in title game. Or because of who they play - out of conference they who they can where they can. Boise won a BCS bowl game last year and returns 20 starters. That demands they be to 5 at the beginning of the year. They win out they get a crack at the title game. I think it would be great for the game for them to do it.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 10:57:38 AM

anorris wrote:

This whole conversation is everything wrong with college football in a nutshell.

This is exactly why I am rooting for Boise State to go undefeated. Maybe it will cause enough controversey to finally get a playoff system talked about.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 11:00:00 AM

Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:

Anyone who'd put an undefeated Boise behind a one-loss other school is thinkin' stinkin'.

No, this should not be the case, just winning all of your games should not be a guarantee to a title. In my opinion the "national championships" of the 1984 BYU team who's biggest wins were against a #3 ranked Pitt team in the opener (Pitt one 3 games all year), and Michigan in the Holiday Bowl (Michigan finished the season 6-6), and the 1990 Title of Georgia Tech, Tech's marquee win was against a 7-4-1 Georgia team that finished 3rd in the SEC, are a great example of this. No way either of those teams make it through the schedule in a major conference. Six weeks into this season, this VT win may look tarnished as they could have 4 or 5 losses, then how good a win is that?

Last Edited: 9/7/2010 11:02:09 AM by John C. Wanamaker

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 11:03:22 AM

anorris wrote:

This whole conversation is everything wrong with college football in a nutshell.

This is no different that trying to talk about who will win the National Title in Basketball in December. There is a system in place and it will play out.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 11:12:36 AM

If they end up as the only undefeated team in the country, they very well will play in the championship game. I don't think that will happen so I don't see them in the last game. The way it's set up now, if they do go they will not be playing a 6-6 team for the championship so at least the system is better now than the BYU thing.

If they have any hopes, they better win each game by 40 (which they may do), but that will probably not be enough.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 11:13:00 AM

The only thing keeping college football alive at this point is the notion that an undefeated Boise might not make the BCS national championship game. Because except for an okay Oregon State team, they don't play any other top 25s this year. Thus, if it's a foregone conclusion that an undefeated Boise makes the championship game, that means half of the championship contest was essentially decided on Sept 6. And that would mean that college football, far from having the "best regular season in sports" as is often hailed, instead possesses a uniquely vapid combination of a regular season that's a tedious charade and a post-season that can be inconclusive in crowning a champion.

Last Edited: 9/7/2010 11:14:59 AM by Cats-22

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 11:14:51 AM

John C. Wanamaker wrote:

Monroe Slavin, CPA wrote:

Anyone who'd put an undefeated Boise behind a one-loss other school is thinkin' stinkin'.

Best post by John ever IMO.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 11:34:10 AM

I think Boise does have a great shot of going to the championship game.

Of course if an undefeated SEC, Big 10, Big 12, ACC or PAC10 team is there they will get in before Boise. The chance of that happening? I can only see 1 BCS conference champion going undefeated.

How about 1-loss teams? I really think a 1-loss SEC team gets in before Boise. Especially if it is Alabama, defending champ, from the conference that has won the last 4 BCS titles???

But it gets VERY interesting if it is another 1-loss BCS conference champion. ACC? doubt it. Pac-10? also doubtful. (Big East no chance) So then it comes down to a 1-loss Big 10 or Big 12 champion. And that will come down to who that loss is and name brand. Cuz a 1-loss Iowa or Wisconsin probably can't do it. But a 1-loss Texas, Oklahoma or Ohio State?

It will get VERY interesting as the season winds down as alot of factors will get thrown around.

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Posted: 9/7/2010 2:00:13 PM

bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:

anorris wrote:

This whole conversation is everything wrong with college football in a nutshell.

This is exactly why I am rooting for Boise State to go undefeated. Maybe it will cause enough controversey to finally get a playoff system talked about.

I don't know if this is anorris' intention or not but in IMHO, you went 180 degrees in the wrong direction. I am one of the last traditional tie-in bowl game, popularity vote holdouts. Should Boise St win a BCS title, it will only prove the illegitimacy of the BCS, not that a playoff will determine a deserving champion.

Upsets are part of the game and there is no reason to think they wouldn't happen in a playoff system. I liked the fact that the old system left room for fans AND reasonable people to disagree. Isn't that more fun than having to live with an "undisputed" champ every year? No? What if that champ is wearing Scarlet and Gray?

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 2:14:32 PM

I'm completely in favor of a playoff.

I have nothing against Boise, and I believe a non-title BCS game is very appropriate. But to put them in over a 1-loss SEC or Big 10 school would be a joke, and frankly, I don't think it will happen. I think you're all giving the bureaucracy that is the BCS way too much credit. The computers and the Harris poll will crush Boise, UNLESS VTech rattles off 11 straight wins, but I would be shocked if they finished the season with 2 or fewer losses. 9-3 sounds about right to me, and Oregon State is likely a 4 or 5 loss team. THOSE WOULD BE YOUR TWO BIGGEST WINS!

As far as crackin' on OSU, yeah, Florida embarassed them. When they played LSU, they should not have even been there. They backed in by doing nothing and watching everyone else lose. But it's hard to discredit the program with the most BCS appearances and tied for BCS wins (5 - OSU, Florida, USC). If OSU loses to Wisconsin and handles everyone else, they absolutely deserve to play for the title over an undefeated Boise. I'll say the same thing for Florida, Alabama, Iowa, and Wisconsin -- maybe Texas and Oklahoma as well.

The biggest joke here is the BCS. Why in the world they pitted both the 'mid-majors' against each other in the Fiesta bowl last season is beyond me. We could've watched Florida vs Boise and TCU vs Iowa and we likely wouldn't have to be having this conversation.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 2:35:48 PM

I agree, had Boise been allowed to play Florida and won, we would not be having this conversation. Looking at the BCS, the days of rewarding Boise with a token BCS game have a great opportunity to come to an end. Starting in the top 5 in the country assures they get the most poll points possible. Yes, if they struggle against their schedule and win like they did last night, they will be penalized, just as Alabama should be penalized when they escape a Miss. St or OSU escapes against a Navy ( I know, week in week out blah, blah, blah - simply a rationale of the power conferences). We all know that the major conferences love their double standard. Boise State is a unique situation. They have an extended string of excellence going on. They were quite accepting of the token game they were provided last year. Baby-steps, but to go undefeated for the third year in a row, and for the 4th time in five years, has earned them the level to get over the BCS prejudice.

As far as the "crackin" on OSU, your perception and stats are actually correct, but the rest of the country looks at OSU quite differently...still. That is why if there is an udefeated SEC, Big 12 and OSU team. OSU is the likely one left out. Fair. No, but the perception stands. It is unfair, just as the "well it's Boise" perception is unfair. If they go undeated this year (with any element of constant control) they will have gone 57-2 since 2006, be coming off of a BCS win, playing 20 returning starters and have a QB in the Heisman discussion (not win, but discussion). While horrifying to most, that will get them in the title game (if there is only one other undefeated team). Agree, the BCS is horrible. Give me a playoff. No argument, but simply not relevant to this conversation.

A final thought for everyone. It is 2010. If Ohio does well this year and next (say win 9 or 10 and win bowl games), then goes undefeated in 2012 and 2014 and 2015 and 2016 and beats Oklahoma, Oregon, Oregon St. TCU, Va,. Tech S. Miss, Wyoming in that stretch and plays in a BCS bowl game, wins and returns basically everyone and goes undefeated again, would you feel the same was as you do about Boise St?

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 2:57:17 PM

One thing everyone is forgetting in this rush to conspiracy is why wouldn't an Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, or OSU want Boise State in the Title game? They are looking at that as easy pickin's, and another trophy. And to answer a line in the last post, BCS schools have been voted down in the past for struggling in games, happens every year, teams jump teams, that has always been a part of the polls (pre-BCS even).

Let this play out and see what happens before we crown anyone.

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RE: Who will Boise State play in the BCS Championship Game?

Posted: 9/7/2010 3:04:51 PM

cc cat wrote:

A final thought for everyone. It is 2010. If Ohio does well this year and next (say win 9 or 10 and win bowl games), then goes undefeated in 2012 and 2014 and 2015 and 2016 and beats Oklahoma, Oregon, Oregon St. TCU, Va,. Tech S. Miss, Wyoming in that stretch and plays in a BCS bowl game, wins and returns basically everyone and goes undefeated again, would you feel the same was as you do about Boise St?

Absolutely. TCU, Boise, OU, Central Michigan, whoever. If you're not going on the road in front of 75,000+ and collecting multiple victories in hostile environments each season, all while playing your home games against big boy teams week in and week out, then I have no interest in seeing you compete for the national title.

Here's my final thought for everyone: If Boise competed in the Pac 10, SEC, Big 10, or ACC (ok, maybe take out the ACC) do you actually think they would finish top 2 (if even 3) in any of those conferences?

It's easy to get up for one game a year, which is why OU can hang with OSU for 3 quarters, then lose 6 of their next 8 like back in '08.

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Posted: 9/7/2010 3:11:55 PM

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cc cat wrote:

How many freaking times does Ohio State have to go on the road to play in front of 75,000+ hostile fans this year? Camp Randall. That's it. Period.

They play FOUR games away from home. FOUR. And you talk about how hardened and battle-tested they are? They scheduled Marshall, Ohio and Eastern Michigan and they're so much more ready for a national title tilt than Boise State? What part of Ohio State crapping their shorts year after year on the biggest stages makes you think they are prepared for a national title game against Alabama?

You sound like a General Motors executive talking about Toyota in 1983.

Just because things were one way for 60 years doesn't mean they will remain that way.

Boise State's offensive and defensive lines are much more talented than Iowa's. Boise Statte's receivers are better than Iowa's. Moore is better than Stanzi. Yes, Boise State would be the second best team in the Big Ten.

The only thing left for the Boise State deniers are empty platitudes conjured up in 2002 and old war stories about the good ol' boys of college football.

Iowa is not better than Boise State because Hayden Frye used to coach there or because their stadium is bigger or they are in the Big Ten. They just aren't.

I agree that a team more battle-tested should get into the title game over a team that isn't battle tested. But dragging the empty suits of the Big Ten and ACC out isn't the right way to go about that argument. The SEC is the only complete gauntlet of a conference in the country. The rest rely on reputation and money. The SEC teams deserve special consideration over Boise State when it comes time to play the title game.

But to pick Iowa or Oregon or Pitt or Texas over Boise State because they played one more quality game than Boise? Nah. I don't buy the mystique of the Big Ten, ACC, Pac 10 or Big East. They are inflated dinosaurs. Only the SEC carries any weight in my mind.

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Posted: 9/7/2010 3:39:50 PM

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How many freaking times does Ohio State have to go on the road to play in front of 75,000+ hostile fans this year? Camp Randall. That's it. Period.

They play FOUR games away from home. FOUR.

Ok, how about 70,000? That will cover Kinnick as well. So two games against top 10 programs on the road. More than Boise can say, EVER. I mean, I'm sure they have their rivalry game circled on their calendar. What a barn burner that will be in the 16,000 seat Idaho-dome.

Every major program stays home. When was the last time Florida played a non-conference road game IN ANOTHER STATE?

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]Boise State's offensive and defensive lines are much more talented than Iowa's. Boise Statte's receivers are better than Iowa's. Moore is better than Stanzi. Yes, Boise State would be the second best team in the Big Ten.

And who's first? Ohio State? They are gonna have their hands full. And you're kidding with the lines right? Iowa may have the best D-line in the Big 10. Wisconsin has the best O-line. Boise's defense was cramping after one half against VTech (whose O-line was awful). Their legs would fall off after one quarter against Wisconsion. Both teams would destroy Boise. At best, Boise would finish 4th in the Big 10 this year. Michigan State, Penn State, and even Michigan could very well finish ahead of them. They would go 5-3 at best.

I will, right now, take whoever Boise ends up playing in a BCS game, (must be a BCS opponent -- no TCU garbage) -13.5.

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Posted: 9/7/2010 3:41:54 PM

Based on recent events including this past weekend - Boise would be favored to win the Pac-10. Second in the Big 10 to OSU, favored to win the SEC east (Florida is down as is GA, etc.), Bama in west. They would win the ACC...trust me. Favored to win the Big East. And would be a co-favorite to win the Big 12 North (their most natural location) with Nebraska.

Agree, let it play out. Boise should not be simply placed in the title game, nor should they be relegated to non consideration because they do not play in a holy conference. Interesting that everyone agrees that the ACC is a joke. Yet if FSU were to go undefeated this year along with only one other BCS Conference team, FSU would play in the Title Game over a 1 loss anyone.

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