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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC-OVC merger?
   Posted: 10/14/2021 12:19:43 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
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Murray State leaving its options open:

https://www.kfvs12.com/2021/09/24/murray-state-athletic-d... /


That doesn't sound much like they will be in the OVC/Southland a year or two from now.



Nope.

One option, of course, is to go FBS in football. If they did, they could be a potential MAC or Sunbelt member, as their basketball is quite competitive.


Murray would need to add a visitor side to the football stadium. Never had one.

https://athleticademix.se/custom/uploads/2020/06/murray-2...

It is rather in the middle of nowhere. They would have to get WKU to make a move with them to a league like the MAC to get valuable Nashville media market attention. Like a package deal. Longshot at best.


Yes, Murray, where I lived for three years, does make Athens look urban and cosmopolitan. You are discounting the Paducah-Cape Girard-Harsbg market? I'm kind of joking there. You make a good point about a package deal with WKU as a long-shot possibility.


We took my daughter to look at Murray around 14 years ago and the town was about to get it's first casual dining chain restaurant. I think it was an Applebee's they were building but it may have been a Chili's or whatever. But it was regarded as a big friggin deal at the time.

I was in Paducah not that long ago. They have a "college" type area near downtown with no college. That was interesting. (LowerTown?)

I think the other big new draw to the area was the legal pot store on the other side of the river near the casino.

Last Edited: 10/14/2021 12:21:06 AM by greencat

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC-OVC merger?
   Posted: 10/14/2021 10:32:57 AM 
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Murray State leaving its options open:

https://www.kfvs12.com/2021/09/24/murray-state-athletic-d... /


That doesn't sound much like they will be in the OVC/Southland a year or two from now.



Nope.

One option, of course, is to go FBS in football. If they did, they could be a potential MAC or Sunbelt member, as their basketball is quite competitive.


Murray would need to add a visitor side to the football stadium. Never had one.

https://athleticademix.se/custom/uploads/2020/06/murray-2...

It is rather in the middle of nowhere. They would have to get WKU to make a move with them to a league like the MAC to get valuable Nashville media market attention. Like a package deal. Longshot at best.


Yes, Murray, where I lived for three years, does make Athens look urban and cosmopolitan. You are discounting the Paducah-Cape Girard-Harsbg market? I'm kind of joking there. You make a good point about a package deal with WKU as a long-shot possibility.


We took my daughter to look at Murray around 14 years ago and the town was about to get it's first casual dining chain restaurant. I think it was an Applebee's they were building but it may have been a Chili's or whatever. But it was regarded as a big friggin deal at the time.

I was in Paducah not that long ago. They have a "college" type area near downtown with no college. That was interesting. (LowerTown?)

I think the other big new draw to the area was the legal pot store on the other side of the river near the casino.


Yeah, and Athens got it's first casual chain in this century too! And that was a BIG Freaking deal here too!
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC-OVC merger?
   Posted: 10/14/2021 11:12:50 AM 
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Murray State leaving its options open:

https://www.kfvs12.com/2021/09/24/murray-state-athletic-d... /


That doesn't sound much like they will be in the OVC/Southland a year or two from now.



Nope.

One option, of course, is to go FBS in football. If they did, they could be a potential MAC or Sunbelt member, as their basketball is quite competitive.


Murray would need to add a visitor side to the football stadium. Never had one.

https://athleticademix.se/custom/uploads/2020/06/murray-2...

It is rather in the middle of nowhere. They would have to get WKU to make a move with them to a league like the MAC to get valuable Nashville media market attention. Like a package deal. Longshot at best.


Yes, Murray, where I lived for three years, does make Athens look urban and cosmopolitan. You are discounting the Paducah-Cape Girard-Harsbg market? I'm kind of joking there. You make a good point about a package deal with WKU as a long-shot possibility.


We took my daughter to look at Murray around 14 years ago and the town was about to get it's first casual dining chain restaurant. I think it was an Applebee's they were building but it may have been a Chili's or whatever. But it was regarded as a big friggin deal at the time.

I was in Paducah not that long ago. They have a "college" type area near downtown with no college. That was interesting. (LowerTown?)

I think the other big new draw to the area was the legal pot store on the other side of the river near the casino.


Yes, when we lived in Murray, Paducah was the "big city" where we went to fine dining and shopping. It's kind of considered the capital city of the Purchase. All of Kentucky west of the Tennessee River (now Lake Kentucky) was not originally part of Kentucky but was added in 1811 by something called the "Jackson Purchase," wherein the federal government "purchased" the land from the Chikasaw Indians. Resdents now just call it "The Purchase," and Paducah is the capital. It is sometimes referred jokingly as the capital of the State of Purchase.

Whatever you call it, this area is very different from the rest of the state in many ways. During the late rebellion, it was far and away the most Confederate leaning part of the state. Overall, Kentucky, officially neutral during the war, had more men volunteer for Union servcie than for Confederate service, but not in The Purchase, where Confederate enlistments far outnumbered Union enlistments. Had to get in the obligatory Civil War reference! ;-)

Unfortunately, these attitudes still linger in some parts of The Purchase. My youngest daughter's father-in-law, an African American, worked for Bell South and used to travel all over the state from his home in Louisvile. He said the only place in Kentucky he ever felt unconfortable because of racial prejudice was in The Purchase, specifically on a business trip he made to the small town of Benton, just north of Murray.

The city of Murray, being a college town, had a somewhat different atmosphere than other parts of The area. By Purchase standards, it was cosmopolitan and progressive (not using that word in the current political context, but generically).

A bit of Trivia about Murray:

1. It has the best Dairy Queen in nation, as a sign in front of the establishment proudly proclaims: https://tinyurl.com/j8yr6xh8

2. Other than the university, the town's major business is car fix-up shops -- body shops, engine repair, etc. Used car deals from Kentucky and neighboring states would send their junkers to Murray to be made to look "like new" and then returned to the dealer to sell. When I lived there some national magazine, I think it was Popular Mechanics, had a feature story about the car fix-up business in Murray. There's one line in that story that remember, perhaps slightly paraphrased, "The next best thing to a new car is one that's been fixed in Murray, Ky."




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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC-OVC merger?
   Posted: 10/14/2021 12:26:08 PM 
I saw the entire history of Paducah on the river wall murals. My previous trip there was after the walls went up but had no paint on them (1990?)

Athens had a "Dalts" more than 20 years ago? That is/was a casual chain?

The one here in Nashville might be the last one left though.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC-OVC merger?
   Posted: 10/14/2021 2:09:40 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Murray State leaving its options open:

https://www.kfvs12.com/2021/09/24/murray-state-athletic-d... /


That doesn't sound much like they will be in the OVC/Southland a year or two from now.



Nope.

One option, of course, is to go FBS in football. If they did, they could be a potential MAC or Sunbelt member, as their basketball is quite competitive.


Murray would need to add a visitor side to the football stadium. Never had one.

https://athleticademix.se/custom/uploads/2020/06/murray-2...

It is rather in the middle of nowhere. They would have to get WKU to make a move with them to a league like the MAC to get valuable Nashville media market attention. Like a package deal. Longshot at best.


Yes, Murray, where I lived for three years, does make Athens look urban and cosmopolitan. You are discounting the Paducah-Cape Girard-Harsbg market? I'm kind of joking there. You make a good point about a package deal with WKU as a long-shot possibility.


We took my daughter to look at Murray around 14 years ago and the town was about to get it's first casual dining chain restaurant. I think it was an Applebee's they were building but it may have been a Chili's or whatever. But it was regarded as a big friggin deal at the time.

I was in Paducah not that long ago. They have a "college" type area near downtown with no college. That was interesting. (LowerTown?)

I think the other big new draw to the area was the legal pot store on the other side of the river near the casino.


Yes, when we lived in Murray, Paducah was the "big city" where we went to fine dining and shopping. It's kind of considered the capital city of the Purchase. All of Kentucky west of the Tennessee River (now Lake Kentucky) was not originally part of Kentucky but was added in 1811 by something called the "Jackson Purchase," wherein the federal government "purchased" the land from the Chikasaw Indians. Resdents now just call it "The Purchase," and Paducah is the capital. It is sometimes referred jokingly as the capital of the State of Purchase.

Whatever you call it, this area is very different from the rest of the state in many ways. During the late rebellion, it was far and away the most Confederate leaning part of the state. Overall, Kentucky, officially neutral during the war, had more men volunteer for Union servcie than for Confederate service, but not in The Purchase, where Confederate enlistments far outnumbered Union enlistments. Had to get in the obligatory Civil War reference! ;-)

Unfortunately, these attitudes still linger in some parts of The Purchase. My youngest daughter's father-in-law, an African American, worked for Bell South and used to travel all over the state from his home in Louisvile. He said the only place in Kentucky he ever felt unconfortable because of racial prejudice was in The Purchase, specifically on a business trip he made to the small town of Benton, just north of Murray.

The city of Murray, being a college town, had a somewhat different atmosphere than other parts of The area. By Purchase standards, it was cosmopolitan and progressive (not using that word in the current political context, but generically).

A bit of Trivia about Murray:

1. It has the best Dairy Queen in nation, as a sign in front of the establishment proudly proclaims: https://tinyurl.com/j8yr6xh8

2. Other than the university, the town's major business is car fix-up shops -- body shops, engine repair, etc. Used car deals from Kentucky and neighboring states would send their junkers to Murray to be made to look "like new" and then returned to the dealer to sell. When I lived there some national magazine, I think it was Popular Mechanics, had a feature story about the car fix-up business in Murray. There's one line in that story that remember, perhaps slightly paraphrased, "The next best thing to a new car is one that's been fixed in Murray, Ky."





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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC-OVC merger?
   Posted: 10/14/2021 6:02:06 PM 
^ ^ Yes, the quality of the interstates & highways between Bowling Green Ky/Murf. TN and Ball State/Fiami/Athens/potentially Huntington WV means that an acquisition of WKU and MTSU (+ Marshall) should be possible and a real coup for the MAC.

Example:

Fiami to WKU = 248 miles. WKU to MTSU = as short as 90 miles (depending on route)

Murray? Not football D-1 FBS and off the beaten path. Doubtful.

If EKU could move up to FBS, it's 144 miles to Fiami. 210 to Athens.

Last Edited: 10/14/2021 6:09:33 PM by greencat

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC-OVC merger?
   Posted: 10/21/2021 1:59:41 PM 
Interesting story in USAT that Eddie George is disappointed in the crowds this year at TSU home games. They've been playing for several years at the Titans' stadium, not their own, and have drawn crowds up to 19,000 for home games (homecoming). This year, they're barely doing 3,000, mainly because of some losing seasons over the past couple years. But Eddie apparently has them on a winning streak, so he's hoping for better crowds. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/ovc/2021/10/2... /


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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC-OVC merger?
   Posted: 10/21/2021 5:05:04 PM 
greencat wrote:
^ ^ Yes, the quality of the interstates & highways between Bowling Green Ky/Murf. TN and Ball State/Fiami/Athens/potentially Huntington WV means that an acquisition of WKU and MTSU (+ Marshall) should be possible and a real coup for the MAC.

Example:

Fiami to WKU = 248 miles. WKU to MTSU = as short as 90 miles (depending on route)

Murray? Not football D-1 FBS and off the beaten path. Doubtful.

If EKU could move up to FBS, it's 144 miles to Fiami. 210 to Athens.


Found this. With WKU and MTSU nowhere to go, and EKU wanting to move up, a MAC South pod would be fun.

https://www.richmondregister.com/sports/opinion-burning-l...
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC-OVC merger?
   Posted: 10/22/2021 1:44:20 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
greencat wrote:
^ ^ Yes, the quality of the interstates & highways between Bowling Green Ky/Murf. TN and Ball State/Fiami/Athens/potentially Huntington WV means that an acquisition of WKU and MTSU (+ Marshall) should be possible and a real coup for the MAC.

Example:

Fiami to WKU = 248 miles. WKU to MTSU = as short as 90 miles (depending on route)

Murray? Not football D-1 FBS and off the beaten path. Doubtful.

If EKU could move up to FBS, it's 144 miles to Fiami. 210 to Athens.


Found this. With WKU and MTSU nowhere to go, and EKU wanting to move up, a MAC South pod would be fun.

https://www.richmondregister.com/sports/opinion-burning-l...


Would that mean also inviting (cough-cough) "Liberty" to join?

Hope it doesn't but the article did imply that.
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   Posted: 10/22/2021 1:50:59 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
Interesting story in USAT that Eddie George is disappointed in the crowds this year at TSU home games. They've been playing for several years at the Titans' stadium, not their own, and have drawn crowds up to 19,000 for home games (homecoming). This year, they're barely doing 3,000, mainly because of some losing seasons over the past couple years. But Eddie apparently has them on a winning streak, so he's hoping for better crowds. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/ovc/2021/10/2... /


Homecoming is a big deal at HBCU schools.

TSU has played very few games at the Titans stadium since their on campus stadium reopened. It's not just that they were losing games that keeps people away from their on campus stadium. Are you familiar with that part of town?? Especially at night???

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