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Topic:  RE: Why Four Teams Dominate
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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: Why Four Teams Dominate
   Posted: 1/14/2021 5:27:26 PM 
The Optimist wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

The key disparity is how much scholarship money you giving! everything else is simply gravy!


Agreed. To put it in another way, a lot of the $ bama or o$u are spending beyond what Ohio is spending gets hit by the law of diminishing returns...


Then if the returns are diminishing, why are they paying their coaches so much?

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Club Hyatt
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  Message Not Read  RE: Why Four Teams Dominate
   Posted: 1/14/2021 5:40:34 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
At 16 teams, there's no viable way to put all G5 conference champs in, nor does it make sense to. They're simply not better than the teams they'd be replacing.


Which is why I said just carve the non-power conferences out into a separate division/tournament. Why continue to pretend to be in the same division? Every league of anything on earth these days ends in some culminating chance at a title except for non-power D1 football teams.



At that point, why create a third division with so few schools? Why not just play at the FCS level?


Because its about power. The G5 can keep their own rules and say who belongs in their club much like the P5 does. They can continue with 85 scholarships when FCS has only 65 (not all of FCS as BTC pointed out fully funds).

As part of the split the P5 could give up some of their bowls in the process. G5 could settle their champion in a BCS format if they wanted and keep the bowl tradition.


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  Message Not Read  RE: Why Four Teams Dominate
   Posted: 1/14/2021 7:01:55 PM 
Then if the returns are diminishing, why are they paying their coaches so much?


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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Why Four Teams Dominate
   Posted: 1/14/2021 7:16:34 PM 
Club Hyatt wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
At 16 teams, there's no viable way to put all G5 conference champs in, nor does it make sense to. They're simply not better than the teams they'd be replacing.


Which is why I said just carve the non-power conferences out into a separate division/tournament. Why continue to pretend to be in the same division? Every league of anything on earth these days ends in some culminating chance at a title except for non-power D1 football teams.



At that point, why create a third division with so few schools? Why not just play at the FCS level?


Because its about power. The G5 can keep their own rules and say who belongs in their club much like the P5 does. They can continue with 85 scholarships when FCS has only 65 (not all of FCS as BTC pointed out fully funds).

As part of the split the P5 could give up some of their bowls in the process. G5 could settle their champion in a BCS format if they wanted and keep the bowl tradition.


I guess I see that? I just don't see what is actually good about that for the G5. They get to spend more on scholarships and play their championship in Mobile or Boise? Nothing seems good about that to me. What's the point? Just to ensure supremacy over the FCS schools?

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  Message Not Read  RE: Why Four Teams Dominate
   Posted: 1/15/2021 9:34:27 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

The key disparity is how much scholarship money you giving! everything else is simply gravy!


Agreed. To put it in another way, a lot of the $ bama or o$u are spending beyond what Ohio is spending gets hit by the law of diminishing returns...


Then if the returns are diminishing, why are they paying their coaches so much?



Diminishing returns =/= no returns
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  Message Not Read  RE: Why Four Teams Dominate
   Posted: 1/15/2021 10:51:18 AM 
mf279801 wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:

The key disparity is how much scholarship money you giving! everything else is simply gravy!


Agreed. To put it in another way, a lot of the $ bama or o$u are spending beyond what Ohio is spending gets hit by the law of diminishing returns...


Then if the returns are diminishing, why are they paying their coaches so much?



Diminishing returns =/= no returns


Diminishing returns also =/= 5 National Championships this decade.
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OUPride
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  Message Not Read  RE: Why Four Teams Dominate
   Posted: 1/16/2021 11:01:27 AM 
GoCats105 wrote:
FWIW Fox Sports' Joel Klatt introduced a 14-team Playoff that I'm all for. He's tweaking the committee and bringing back some elements of the computer rankings from the BCS to take out the human bias.

-Remove conference divisions
-Minimum 9 conference games, minimum one Power 5 non-conference game
-Automatic bids to P5 champs and Best Group of Five
-Maximum 2 losses for Independents
-Top two seeds get a bye (just like the new NFL playoffs)
-First rounds at campus sites

This year based off the old BCS computers:

#1 Alabama

#8 Texas A&M/#9 Indiana

#5 Oklahoma/#12 Coastal Carolina

#4 Cincinnati/#13 Iowa State

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#2 Clemson

#7 Notre Dame/#10 Georgia

#6 Oregon/#11 Florida

#3 Ohio State/ #14 North Carolina

Still doesn't include every group of 5 conference, but this at least gives you a clearer picture. You can still get in.


I'd be happy with 8 and first round games at home stadiums:

A&M at Bama
Notre Dame at Clemson
Oregon at Ohio State
Oklahoma at Cincy

I'm sure that you could juggle things up and switch A&M and ND to avoid the rematches. How sweet would it be to see a blueblood like Oklahoma have to play at a G5 school and in the cold.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Why Four Teams Dominate
   Posted: 1/27/2021 12:19:30 PM 
Today TCM is running "Trouble Along the Way," where John Wayne plays a football coach who starts a team at a small Catholic college to get it out of debt. Those were the days.


We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

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