Welcome Guest!
Create an Account
login email:
password:
site searchwhere to watchcontact usabout usadvertise with ushelp
Message Board

BobcatAttack.com Message Board
Ohio Football
Topic:  How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?

Topic:  How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
Author
Message
shabamon
General User



Member Since: 11/17/2006
Location: Cincinnati
Post Count: 3,511

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/19/2020 4:36:16 PM 
It's an idea that's been floated around in all the discussion stemming from COVID-19 and college sports. I think the only way Ohio dropping to FCS works is if the majority of the MAC does as well.

PROS:

-Spending less on scholarships and coaching salaries

-All of the MAC programs have the resources in place to be upper-echelon FCS programs immediately

-No bureaucratic reasons why we can't compete for a national championship

-Could conceivably reallocate resources to men's basketball, where we can make a bigger name for the university

CONS:

-No TV deal = lost revenue stream and lost exposure

-Perception. We're no longer connected to the highest level of college football. And even if there are too many bowl games, I think bowl games still carry more weight than FCS playoffs

So if the move were to be made, how would you feel about the move? Would you support or interact with the program more? Less? About the same? Do you think students would interact with the program more, less, or the same?
Back to Top
  
Pataskala
General User

Member Since: 7/8/2010
Location: At least six feet away from anybody else
Post Count: 7,062

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/19/2020 5:06:21 PM 
Another "con" would be that there would never, ever be ANY 1A team play at Peden in the future. Not even Texas State. Or T'erd. Or Kansas. Or Iowa State. Not even a chance. In fact, with "P" conferences looking to boost their schedules for playoff purposes, getting a road game with a "P" team would be next to impossible.


We will get by.
We will get by.
We will get by.
We will survive.

Back to Top
  
Club Hyatt
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,020

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/19/2020 9:15:27 PM 
Who knows but I think it would hurt OU's perception as a sports school even more.

Basketball had a nice run 2010-2015 which I think is realistic to maintain but I can't see OU spending 2 or 3 million on a basketball coach because it wasn't playing football. Probably even less of an investment in basketball if the commitment was to move to a lower profile in FCS. Think University of Delaware.


Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Back to Top
  
L.C.
General User

Member Since: 8/31/2005
Location: United States
Post Count: 9,349

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/19/2020 9:19:20 PM 
Another place they lose revenue would be in money games, since FCS teams get a lot less for those than G5 teams. Some FCS teams seem to play 2 of them a year, while others play one. That would drop the home schedule from 6 games a year to 5 or 5.5 games. October/November schedule would be about the same, except that the mid-week games would vanish. In the end you'd have at least as many Saturday games, but they would be later in the year.

Last Edited: 8/19/2020 9:28:45 PM by L.C.


ďWe have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.Ē ― Epictetus

Back to Top
  
NashvilleKat
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Nashville, TN
Post Count: 78

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/19/2020 10:23:56 PM 
Absolute hate the idea. The money lost in TV revenue, Championship splits from the Playoffs and Bowls, less money for road money games, no opportunity to beat the Penn States of the world, and perception.
Back to Top
  
The Optimist
General User



Member Since: 3/16/2007
Location: Akron (sleeper agent)
Post Count: 4,849

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 12:04:57 AM 
The MAC as a whole dropping to FCS would be a great opportunity to leave dead weight like Eastern Michigan behind and form a new conference with Miami and Marshall.


I've seen crazier things happen.

Black 41 Flash Reverse

Back to Top
  
Jeff McKinney
Moderator

Member Since: 11/12/2004
Post Count: 4,980

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 12:51:22 AM 
I think it would be fun competitively, but I'm not sure it would help us financially even with fewer scholarships. Might have to drop to Div II or non scholarship Div I to see significant savings.
Back to Top
  
ohio9704
General User

Member Since: 2/11/2006
Post Count: 1,301

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 12:52:00 AM 
The Optimist wrote:
The MAC as a whole dropping to FCS would be a great opportunity to leave dead weight like Eastern Michigan behind and form a new conference with Miami and Marshall.


Also Toledo, NIU, BGSU, and Ball State. Drop EMU, Akron, and Kent.

OHIO
Miami
Marshall
Toledo
BGSU
NIU
Ball State
Buffalo
Maybe Western Kentucky

Last Edited: 8/20/2020 12:56:59 AM by ohio9704

Back to Top
  
Bobcat1996
General User

Member Since: 1/2/2017
Post Count: 502

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 6:43:00 AM 
Pataskala wrote:
Another "con" would be that there would never, ever be ANY 1A team play at Peden in the future. Not even Texas State. Or T'erd. Or Kansas. Or Iowa State. Not even a chance. In fact, with "P" conferences looking to boost their schedules for playoff purposes, getting a road game with a "P" team would be next to impossible.


Pataskala hit the nail on the head. No more Kansas, Iowa State, Pitt or even Wyoming showing up in Peden. Throw in no more big paydays from Penn State or Ohio State.

Last Edited: 8/20/2020 6:44:48 AM by Bobcat1996

Back to Top
  
SouthernCat
General User

Member Since: 1/3/2005
Post Count: 140

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 9:11:18 AM 
I would be fine given the overall foolishness of trying to compete with the power 5. Most of us couldn't afford the PSL and other items required to catch up with everyone else. I doubt our football team is profitable despite the money games.
Back to Top
  
Maddog13
General User

Member Since: 12/21/2004
Location: Albuquerque, NM
Post Count: 413

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 10:46:36 AM 
I am old enough to remember when there was talk about dropping the football program altogether after the major drop in enrollment in the 1970s due to the scaling down of the Vietnam war. It didn't happen then, so I would be shocked if the football program moved down to FCS in the here and now. In the 1970s, it would have made sense for Ohio to be known as a basketball only school. In recent years, I think that Ohio has become known more for it's football program than basketball program. Still, we have yet to see just how far the economy collapses as a result of the Pandemic. Whether to keep Football where it is or move it down to FCS might be the least of the University's concerns moving forward.
Back to Top
  
Club Hyatt
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Location: Alexandria, VA
Post Count: 4,020

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 11:16:20 AM 
The state of Ohio is going to try to protect its most valuable schools, those its giving the most money to currently so this is all going to roll downhill.

Ohio I bet going to try to stay in the game both athletically and academically while things shake out with the weaker in-state players.


Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended
2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round
2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl
2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086

Back to Top
  
Kevin Finnegan
General User

Member Since: 2/4/2005
Location: Rockton, IL
Post Count: 755

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 3:01:06 PM 
It would make me sad. Very sad.
Back to Top
  
BryanHall
General User

Member Since: 9/11/2010
Post Count: 197

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 3:32:56 PM 
I think I'm resigned to this long-term. I assume that there will be a split from the P5 by most small schools with a few being absorbed (ie, Cincy, BYU and few others). At that point, a larger, realigned FCS would emerge. Will this be in five years or ten years? I don't know. There is essentially a division now between the major conferences anyway. I think what comes of it will be somewhere between the extremes--some TV revenues and a chance to play for a national title. The downside will be less prestige and no Penn State-type games. Just my speculation.
Back to Top
  
shabamon
General User



Member Since: 11/17/2006
Location: Cincinnati
Post Count: 3,511

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 3:42:13 PM 
My question is not whether you think it will happen, but does it change your enthusiasm for the program, attendance, donations, etc.
Back to Top
  
Mike Johnson
General User



Member Since: 11/11/2004
Location: North Canton, OH
Post Count: 1,501

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 4:54:34 PM 
shabamon wrote:
My question is not whether you think it will happen, but does it change your enthusiasm for the program, attendance, donations, etc.


It would significantly dampen my enthusiasm.


http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author

Back to Top
  
mf279801
General User

Member Since: 8/6/2010
Location: Atlanta, GA
Post Count: 2,126

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 5:28:56 PM 
shabamon wrote:
My question is not whether you think it will happen, but does it change your enthusiasm for the program, attendance, donations, etc.


Maybe Iím feeling punchy and melodramatic, but Iíd say that at that point you might as well drop to D3. Maybe we get Miami to come along, we can just spend our falls making road trips to Wooster and Wittenberg and Kenyon (well, some of you can, i sadly live well outside of Ohio currently)
Back to Top
  
Buckeye to Bobcat
General User

Member Since: 9/10/2013
Post Count: 1,527

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/20/2020 9:58:19 PM 
I'm all in. Can't afford to roll the dice anymore in FBS, especially considering we pay for an extra 42 scholarships due to being FBS. In addition, cut costs all over the department, no reason we shouldn't be ran like the Oakland A's. Feel like I've laid out my plan for going FCS for a long time.

Fiami on the other hand would stay FBS. Got enough friends there telling me they want to throw money around but the MAC doesn't give em a lot of reason to. Other schools won't step up, no reason to bother is what I've heard.
Back to Top
  
.
General User

Member Since: 2/3/2005
Post Count: 2,560

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/21/2020 3:37:30 AM 
I donít really care either way. Itís not my money and the reason I used to advocate for it was to pump up the basketball program financially. That now ainít happening no matter what.

Iíll just say Iím jealous of their playoff system. Itís so fun.
Back to Top
  
Bobcat1996
General User

Member Since: 1/2/2017
Post Count: 502

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/21/2020 6:15:06 AM 
Mike Johnson wrote:
shabamon wrote:
My question is not whether you think it will happen, but does it change your enthusiasm for the program, attendance, donations, etc.


It would significantly dampen my enthusiasm.


I am with Kevin and Mike J as dropping down would make me sad. Playing Marietta College or Capital on HC won't do it for me. Sure MAC schools won't ever win a championship in football, but neither will a CUSA, Sun Belt or Mountain West team. Playing for a national championship in football isn't the goal for those leagues. The excitement of knocking off Pitt and Penn State in the regular season will disappear with dropping down.

Last Edited: 8/21/2020 6:23:19 AM by Bobcat1996

Back to Top
  
Mark Lembright '85
General User

Member Since: 8/22/2010
Location: Lyndhurst, OH
Post Count: 2,374

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/21/2020 8:19:05 AM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Mike Johnson wrote:
shabamon wrote:
My question is not whether you think it will happen, but does it change your enthusiasm for the program, attendance, donations, etc.


It would significantly dampen my enthusiasm.


I am with Kevin and Mike J as dropping down would make me sad. Playing Marietta College or Capital on HC won't do it for me. Sure MAC schools won't ever win a championship in football, but neither will a CUSA, Sun Belt or Mountain West team. Playing for a national championship in football isn't the goal for those leagues. The excitement of knocking off Pitt and Penn State in the regular season will disappear with dropping down.


Ditto. I would be less than enthusiastic.
Back to Top
  
BryanHall
General User

Member Since: 9/11/2010
Post Count: 197

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/21/2020 8:31:31 AM 
I'm not sure that I would be much less enthusiastic if the program would be FCS. Honestly, they are not in a P5 conference now so there is no chance of them ever competing for a national championship--which effectively makes them a de facto member of a lower division anyway. I still watch. I would assume that a bolstered FCS with teams like Ohio, Troy and Nevada playing Delaware, YSU and NDSU would be very competitive and have a great playoff. I think that a lower division (ie, D-3) would be out of the question for now.
Back to Top
  
Alan Swank
General User

Member Since: 12/11/2004
Location: Athens, OH
Post Count: 6,120

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/21/2020 12:50:57 PM 
We are all creatures of habit. How many of you got "hooked" on OU football and/or the band your freshman year? Thats not happening this year and the current freshman class will find other things to do with their Saturday afternoons. The question then is what effect will this have on interest going forward. Some are already calling this the "lost year."
Back to Top
  
CatsUp
General User

Member Since: 4/15/2019
Post Count: 204

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/21/2020 4:27:17 PM 
In my case, I'm afraid that should we drop to FCS attending games would no longer be a priority for us. I might buy an occasional general admission ticket and go to a game if nothing else is happening. Might also check for a final score on the internet, but that would be about it.

As far as being able to compete for a national championship driving whether to stay put in the FBS or not, I think at least a quarter of the P5 schools have no real shot at a national championship either and another 25% don't have much of a chance. Should they all drop down to FCS too? Pretty sure a significant number of them aren't money making programs as has been mentioned on here.

Lastly, the way it is set up now, would we really want to take scholarships away from those who need them the most?
Back to Top
  
71 BOBCAT
General User

Member Since: 12/20/2004
Post Count: 1,419

Status: Offline

  Message Not Read  RE: How would you feel if the MAC dropped to FCS?
   Posted: 8/21/2020 4:58:16 PM 
I think that we need to think about the possible impact in our world renowned MBA, Sports Information Program.




GO BOBCATS

Last Edited: 8/21/2020 5:00:37 PM by 71 BOBCAT

Back to Top
  
Showing Replies:  1 - 25  of 127 Posts
Jump to Page:  1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6    Next >
View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             



Copyright ©2020 BobcatAttack.com. All rights reserved.  |  Privacy Policy  |  Terms of Use
Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties