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bigtillyoopsupsideurhead
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   Posted: 8/9/2020 9:55:33 AM 
LuckySparrow wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
What is the evidence that this is the "right decision?" The data has shown that the virus is not that dangerous to college kids. I guess the MAC couldn't swing the financials so they played the virus fear card. Smart PR play, I suppose, since shutting down/cancelling is seen as the virtuous thing to do these days - especially because they beat other FBS conferences to the punch. But what's the long term cost of shutting down? Also, can someone please explain why kids are safer at home without supervision than on a college campus under supervision with medical treatment at the ready?

Why not play a conference schedule on ESPN family of networks? Limited or no crowd. Players can opt out without losing a year.

The conference is all but dead in my eyes.


For one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes... /


That is an article littered with narrative, "may not," "concerned about," "raises the possibility," "many questions remain unanswered," and "nfectious-disease and cardiovascular experts do not have enough data to make conclusions about how covid-19 might affect an athlete’s heart."

Since that was the first piece of evidence you lead with - am I to presume that is your strongest piece of evidence?


I don't know man. When the answer is "not enough evidence" and we're talking about peoples lives I think you half to err on the side of people not dying.

Yes, the players may not die, but what about coaches, refs, family members. It sucks, but it's probably the right move.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Season Cancelled
   Posted: 8/9/2020 10:20:08 AM 
bigtillyoopsupsideurhead wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
What is the evidence that this is the "right decision?" The data has shown that the virus is not that dangerous to college kids. I guess the MAC couldn't swing the financials so they played the virus fear card. Smart PR play, I suppose, since shutting down/cancelling is seen as the virtuous thing to do these days - especially because they beat other FBS conferences to the punch. But what's the long term cost of shutting down? Also, can someone please explain why kids are safer at home without supervision than on a college campus under supervision with medical treatment at the ready?

Why not play a conference schedule on ESPN family of networks? Limited or no crowd. Players can opt out without losing a year.

The conference is all but dead in my eyes.


For one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes... /


That is an article littered with narrative, "may not," "concerned about," "raises the possibility," "many questions remain unanswered," and "nfectious-disease and cardiovascular experts do not have enough data to make conclusions about how covid-19 might affect an athlete’s heart."

Since that was the first piece of evidence you lead with - am I to presume that is your strongest piece of evidence?


I don't know man. When the answer is "not enough evidence" and we're talking about peoples lives I think you half to err on the side of people not dying.

Yes, the players may not die, but what about coaches, refs, family members. It sucks, but it's probably the right move.


Exactly. A former Ohio University assistant coach, middle-aged with no pre-existing health conditions, is on the brink of death from COVID-19. Is football really worth that happening to more people?
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Season Cancelled
   Posted: 8/9/2020 11:09:47 AM 
What is the evidence? Large numbers of people are dying and we still know very little about the long term effects of the virus and why some are asymptomatic and others end up having extreme symptoms and dying from the virus. How important is playing college sports via getting a better handle on what we are dealing with here before moving forward? Besides, past History related to Plagues teaches us that the second wave of this pandemic might be even worse. Unfortunately, football is just not conducive to social distancing, so the better safe than sorry approach may just be the way to go for now.
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Season Cancelled
   Posted: 8/9/2020 2:20:27 PM 
LuckySparrow wrote:
The data has shown that the virus is not that dangerous to college kids.

I guess the MAC couldn't swing the financials so they played the virus fear card. Smart PR play, I suppose, since shutting down/cancelling is seen as the virtuous thing to do these days - especially because they beat other FBS conferences to the punch. But what's the long term cost of shutting down? Also, can someone please explain why kids are safer at home without supervision than on a college campus under supervision with medical treatment at the ready?


The data...so far. There is a pretty uniform reduction in lung capacity after having SARS-CoV-2 (an average of 23%); and recent studies out of Germany have shown that 78% of people who have had the virus (from people who were hospitalized to people who had mild symptoms) showed evidence of heart damage from inflammation (myocarditis); and 41% of autopsies conducted in Germany on Covid-19 victims SARS-CoV-2 had infected the heart substantially.

So it might be that College kids don't DIE from the infection...because college kids are young and bodies can recover. But all of this suggests that there may be long-term (life-long) health impacts on people who have had this virus. Is it really worth the risk so that people can watch football? The adult decision is: no it is not worth the risk.

The long-term cost of shutting down for college sports? It was a cost that was inevitable with how overgrown the house of cards had become. How long the ong-term cost of shutting down in general? Well...you don't have a virus jump 5 species in 4 months and spread world-wide to just about every food processing place, longterm care facility and prison on Earth in the span of 2-months and expect there not to be an economic fallout. That's an Earth shattering event in epidemiology. That's the "big one" that scientists have warned about for literally 40-years.

How are you safer at home than at a on campus with medical treatment/supervision? Because the spread of disease depends on exposure. One of the major factors in exposure is the amount of different interactions you have with people...and the different interactions those people have (think of the Sex-Ed thing they did back in the day when you sleep with someone you're sleeping with all the people they slept with analogy). Even if you have medical treatment available, there's not much you can do for people who have SARS-CoV-2. Like nothing. Other than let them fight it out. That's why we have people on ventilators flipped on their stomachs fighting for survival. There is LITERALLY nothing we can do for them.

Is any of this worth that unknown, worth that risk? The obvious answer is: No it isn't. And we as fans might be upset, but it's the right call. If the MAC cannot survive a downturn year, it shouldn't have been allowed to progress to that point in the first place. Period.

Last Edited: 8/9/2020 2:24:05 PM by ZIPsCAT
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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Season Cancelled
   Posted: 8/9/2020 2:52:29 PM 
LuckySparrow wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
What is the evidence that this is the "right decision?" The data has shown that the virus is not that dangerous to college kids. I guess the MAC couldn't swing the financials so they played the virus fear card. Smart PR play, I suppose, since shutting down/cancelling is seen as the virtuous thing to do these days - especially because they beat other FBS conferences to the punch. But what's the long term cost of shutting down? Also, can someone please explain why kids are safer at home without supervision than on a college campus under supervision with medical treatment at the ready?

Why not play a conference schedule on ESPN family of networks? Limited or no crowd. Players can opt out without losing a year.

The conference is all but dead in my eyes.


For one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes... /


That is an article littered with narrative, "may not," "concerned about," "raises the possibility," "many questions remain unanswered," and "nfectious-disease and cardiovascular experts do not have enough data to make conclusions about how covid-19 might affect an athlete’s heart."

Since that was the first piece of evidence you lead with - am I to presume that is your strongest piece of evidence?


No, it's the most recent piece of evidence. Six weeks ago CBS ran this story about the effects of the virus on the heart: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/sports-cardiologist-ex... /. Of note, is this passage:

"This particular virus causes more problems with the heart than any other virus so that's why we're being particularly careful," Dr. Phelan told CBS Sports. "That's why we're being more conservative in terms of our recommendations for return to play. We have data from hospitalized patients that show between seven and 33 percent of people will have some cardiac injury after getting COVID-19."

Trouble is, doctors are still discovering the multitude of ways that covid can f*ck up the human body. And now that younger folks are getting out and about more, the 18-49 age group has become the group with the highest infection rate. That's one reason why the infection rate is speeding up. The U.S. hit one million cases on April 29, two million on June 11, three million on July 9, four million on July 23 and five million yesterday. This is largely due to the denials that continue to come from the White House and from some state governors whose heads are firmly up their arses about the severity of the pandemic and the fallacy that young people are practically immune to the virus.

With luck, by spring there'll be a safe, effective vaccine to counter this virus. Until then, it's best to keep the kids out of harm's way.

Last Edited: 8/9/2020 2:53:30 PM by Pataskala

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  Message Not Read  RE: MAC Season Cancelled
   Posted: 8/9/2020 2:54:07 PM 
LuckySparrow wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
What is the evidence that this is the "right decision?" The data has shown that the virus is not that dangerous to college kids. I guess the MAC couldn't swing the financials so they played the virus fear card. Smart PR play, I suppose, since shutting down/cancelling is seen as the virtuous thing to do these days - especially because they beat other FBS conferences to the punch. But what's the long term cost of shutting down? Also, can someone please explain why kids are safer at home without supervision than on a college campus under supervision with medical treatment at the ready?

Why not play a conference schedule on ESPN family of networks? Limited or no crowd. Players can opt out without losing a year.

The conference is all but dead in my eyes.


For one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes... /


That is an article littered with narrative, "may not," "concerned about," "raises the possibility," "many questions remain unanswered," and "nfectious-disease and cardiovascular experts do not have enough data to make conclusions about how covid-19 might affect an athlete’s heart."

Since that was the first piece of evidence you lead with - am I to presume that is your strongest piece of evidence?

The article does mention that they have already found two high level athletes with lasting heart issues. There isn't that big of a sample of recovered top level athletes, so 2 is a significant number.

Mark Lembright '85 wrote:
LC’s done the analysis several times and can speak to this far better than I can, but a move down to FCS would be an even bigger financial mistake and a financial burden than being in FBS. Ohio goes down to FCS and no more TV money. If Ohio is to go to a lower football division to save money, it needs to go lower than FCS.


I wouldn't say I've "done the analysis" because I don't have access to all the numbers. What I have done is pointed out that when you drop to FCS you lose conference and TV money, your attendance is about half, you probably lose at least half your revenue from licensing, etc. You do lose some costs, but you still have scholarships, coaches, facilities, etc. It's doubtful that you come out better off. Yes, I'm aware that the Pioneer League doesn't award scholarships, and plays at the FCS level. If you were going to drop to FCS, that might be the way to go.

I have also pointed out that no team has ever willingly dropped from FBS to FCS, while FCS teams have eagerly made the jump in the other direction at every opportunity. Idaho did drop to FCS, but only because their conference kicked them out, and no other one would take them, making it hard to schedule.

By contrast, when you drop to the lower divisions, you don't have scholarship expense, and most games are local, significantly reducing travel expense. Also, staffing is much lower. It would be logical if the losses at Division II and III were much lower than FCS.

To really answer this question, we'd need someone with access to all the numbers, who could compute the actual average loss at each level.

Last Edited: 8/9/2020 2:56:37 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 8/9/2020 5:05:17 PM 
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
What is the evidence that this is the "right decision?" The data has shown that the virus is not that dangerous to college kids. I guess the MAC couldn't swing the financials so they played the virus fear card. Smart PR play, I suppose, since shutting down/cancelling is seen as the virtuous thing to do these days - especially because they beat other FBS conferences to the punch. But what's the long term cost of shutting down? Also, can someone please explain why kids are safer at home without supervision than on a college campus under supervision with medical treatment at the ready?

Why not play a conference schedule on ESPN family of networks? Limited or no crowd. Players can opt out without losing a year.

The conference is all but dead in my eyes.


For one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes... /


That is an article littered with narrative, "may not," "concerned about," "raises the possibility," "many questions remain unanswered," and "nfectious-disease and cardiovascular experts do not have enough data to make conclusions about how covid-19 might affect an athlete’s heart."

Since that was the first piece of evidence you lead with - am I to presume that is your strongest piece of evidence?


No, it's the most recent piece of evidence. Six weeks ago CBS ran this story about the effects of the virus on the heart: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/sports-cardiologist-ex... /. Of note, is this passage:

"This particular virus causes more problems with the heart than any other virus so that's why we're being particularly careful," Dr. Phelan told CBS Sports. "That's why we're being more conservative in terms of our recommendations for return to play. We have data from hospitalized patients that show between seven and 33 percent of people will have some cardiac injury after getting COVID-19."

Trouble is, doctors are still discovering the multitude of ways that covid can f*ck up the human body. And now that younger folks are getting out and about more, the 18-49 age group has become the group with the highest infection rate. That's one reason why the infection rate is speeding up. The U.S. hit one million cases on April 29, two million on June 11, three million on July 9, four million on July 23 and five million yesterday. This is largely due to the denials that continue to come from the White House and from some state governors whose heads are firmly up their arses about the severity of the pandemic and the fallacy that young people are practically immune to the virus.

With luck, by spring there'll be a safe, effective vaccine to counter this virus. Until then, it's best to keep the kids out of harm's way.

The top 7 states for deaths “all” have “Democrats” as Governors. I guess the Democrats are pretty f..kingstupid.
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   Posted: 8/9/2020 6:52:07 PM 
PhiTau74 wrote:

The top 7 states for deaths “all” have “Democrats” as Governors. I guess the Democrats are pretty f..kingstupid.


Keep the 27% of America that voted for Trump Great (TM).

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   Posted: 8/9/2020 7:01:58 PM 
This thread is going swimmingly. 🤣
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   Posted: 8/9/2020 7:10:08 PM 
OU_Country wrote:
This thread is going swimmingly. 🤣


Ha, yeah. But it's inevitable. This is a college sports message board. There are no college sports because of the failures of politicians, so politics is gonna come up. Not really sure it can be avoided. Though we did go 0 to "Democrats are f**cling stupid" awfully fast.

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   Posted: 8/9/2020 7:13:55 PM 
PhiTau74 wrote:

The top 7 states for deaths “all” have “Democrats” as Governors. I guess the Democrats are pretty f..kingstupid.


Deaths and cases can occur despite the best efforts of public officials. I take issue with those who had their heads in the sand or up their arses -- the vast majority of whom are Republicans -- and denied the existence of the pandemic and that masks and social distancing are necessary precautions to avoid spreading the virus. Chief among them is T-rump but also Scott in Florida, Kemp in Georgia and Abbott in Texas. They've not only caused their own states to have surges, but affected other states as well because tourists became infected. T-rump still doesn't take it seriously. He still says it will "miraculously disappear." Dewine did a good job until he stopped listening to Amy Acton and opened Ohio before it was time under the pressure of short-sighted state legislators (including the recently disgraced Larry Householder). Cases surged in Ohio. It wasn't until he finally issued a statewide mask mandate and started closing bars early that things got better in the worst counties.

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   Posted: 8/9/2020 7:33:55 PM 
PhiTau74 wrote:

The top 7 states for deaths “all” have “Democrats” as Governors. I guess the Democrats are pretty f..kingstupid.


That's "news" to the "governors" in Texas and Florida. I guess they're pretty f..kingstupid.

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   Posted: 8/9/2020 7:39:49 PM 
I am not shocked the MAC cancelled will not be surprised of all conferences cancelled. We have the most cases in the world because we are the free-est country in the world.

The president is a idiot but blaming him for any of this is even more idiotic. Most young people that are out there that seem to not care do you think they even bother to read the news or know what any republican or democrat said.

Most young people who our informed and care take proper precautions. That is probably my biggest problem here is we should of left this up to teams and players and coaches.

There is no guarantee things will be better in the spring or next fall or the fall after that. We have to take precautions i get that i take them everyday. But we also have to go on living. I don't understand why it has to be political.

it will be what it will be. But on the other side of this. college sports colleges and almost everything in this world will look different and the longer you shut it down the more different it is going to look.

The changes may be better or the changes may be worse. but the world will be different.
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   Posted: 8/9/2020 7:41:03 PM 
So if we already bought season tickets will that carry over to the spring?
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   Posted: 8/9/2020 7:55:59 PM 
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We have the most cases in the world because we are the free-est country in the world.

The president is a idiot but blaming him for any of this is even more idiotic.



These two sentences are both ridiculous. There's nothing inherent to freedom that makes it such that we can't manage a pandemic.

Also, we aren't the "free-est country" by any metric. Not anymore. That's just American Exceptionalism BS we keep feeding ourselves.

And the President deserves full blame for the decision not to set up a national testing and contact tracing plan. We're in month 6 of this, everybody else in the world who has managed to reopen has implemented similar plans. It takes exactly 4 minutes of critical thinking to realize we need that. And yet, 6 months later, we've made basically no progress.

Nobody blames the President for the disease itself. But his response to it has been terrible. What's the rational case otherwise.

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   Posted: 8/9/2020 8:01:58 PM 
It sounds like the Big Ten is now leaning toward cancelling. I think the MAC started the dominoes.
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   Posted: 8/9/2020 8:05:13 PM 
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
What is the evidence that this is the "right decision?" The data has shown that the virus is not that dangerous to college kids. I guess the MAC couldn't swing the financials so they played the virus fear card. Smart PR play, I suppose, since shutting down/cancelling is seen as the virtuous thing to do these days - especially because they beat other FBS conferences to the punch. But what's the long term cost of shutting down? Also, can someone please explain why kids are safer at home without supervision than on a college campus under supervision with medical treatment at the ready?

Why not play a conference schedule on ESPN family of networks? Limited or no crowd. Players can opt out without losing a year.

The conference is all but dead in my eyes.


For one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes... /


That is an article littered with narrative, "may not," "concerned about," "raises the possibility," "many questions remain unanswered," and "nfectious-disease and cardiovascular experts do not have enough data to make conclusions about how covid-19 might affect an athlete’s heart."

Since that was the first piece of evidence you lead with - am I to presume that is your strongest piece of evidence?


No, it's the most recent piece of evidence. Six weeks ago CBS ran this story about the effects of the virus on the heart: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/sports-cardiologist-ex... /. Of note, is this passage:

"This particular virus causes more problems with the heart than any other virus so that's why we're being particularly careful," Dr. Phelan told CBS Sports. "That's why we're being more conservative in terms of our recommendations for return to play. We have data from hospitalized patients that show between seven and 33 percent of people will have some cardiac injury after getting COVID-19."

Trouble is, doctors are still discovering the multitude of ways that covid can f*ck up the human body. And now that younger folks are getting out and about more, the 18-49 age group has become the group with the highest infection rate. That's one reason why the infection rate is speeding up. The U.S. hit one million cases on April 29, two million on June 11, three million on July 9, four million on July 23 and five million yesterday. This is largely due to the denials that continue to come from the White House and from some state governors whose heads are firmly up their arses about the severity of the pandemic and the fallacy that young people are practically immune to the virus.

With luck, by spring there'll be a safe, effective vaccine to counter this virus. Until then, it's best to keep the kids out of harm's way.

The top 7 states for deaths “all” have “Democrats” as Governors. I guess the Democrats are pretty f..kingstupid.


Not true. Texas and Florida are in the top 7.
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   Posted: 8/9/2020 8:15:29 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
PhiTau74 wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
Pataskala wrote:
LuckySparrow wrote:
What is the evidence that this is the "right decision?" The data has shown that the virus is not that dangerous to college kids. I guess the MAC couldn't swing the financials so they played the virus fear card. Smart PR play, I suppose, since shutting down/cancelling is seen as the virtuous thing to do these days - especially because they beat other FBS conferences to the punch. But what's the long term cost of shutting down? Also, can someone please explain why kids are safer at home without supervision than on a college campus under supervision with medical treatment at the ready?

Why not play a conference schedule on ESPN family of networks? Limited or no crowd. Players can opt out without losing a year.

The conference is all but dead in my eyes.


For one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes... /


That is an article littered with narrative, "may not," "concerned about," "raises the possibility," "many questions remain unanswered," and "nfectious-disease and cardiovascular experts do not have enough data to make conclusions about how covid-19 might affect an athlete’s heart."

Since that was the first piece of evidence you lead with - am I to presume that is your strongest piece of evidence?


No, it's the most recent piece of evidence. Six weeks ago CBS ran this story about the effects of the virus on the heart: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/sports-cardiologist-ex... /. Of note, is this passage:

"This particular virus causes more problems with the heart than any other virus so that's why we're being particularly careful," Dr. Phelan told CBS Sports. "That's why we're being more conservative in terms of our recommendations for return to play. We have data from hospitalized patients that show between seven and 33 percent of people will have some cardiac injury after getting COVID-19."

Trouble is, doctors are still discovering the multitude of ways that covid can f*ck up the human body. And now that younger folks are getting out and about more, the 18-49 age group has become the group with the highest infection rate. That's one reason why the infection rate is speeding up. The U.S. hit one million cases on April 29, two million on June 11, three million on July 9, four million on July 23 and five million yesterday. This is largely due to the denials that continue to come from the White House and from some state governors whose heads are firmly up their arses about the severity of the pandemic and the fallacy that young people are practically immune to the virus.

With luck, by spring there'll be a safe, effective vaccine to counter this virus. Until then, it's best to keep the kids out of harm's way.

The top 7 states for deaths “all” have “Democrats” as Governors. I guess the Democrats are pretty f..kingstupid.


Not true. Texas and Florida are in the top 7.



And they had the benefit of a 4 month head start and went so far as reopening.

Plenty of Dem Governors and Mayors sh*t the bed here. But a lot of the places with the highest death rates were the first places to be hit hard, and thus felt the repercussions of the lack of preparedness at a national level much more acutely.

A lot of what's happening now was fully, 100% avoidable.
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   Posted: 8/9/2020 8:16:13 PM 
SVAC83 wrote:
...Most young people that are out there that seem to not care do you think they even bother to read the news or know what any republican or democrat said.

Most young people who our informed and care take proper precautions. ...

I sort of agree with you. One problem is that people hear the news selectively. Young people hear that "young people almost never die" and stop listening. They no longer care about the virus. Only later in the Pandemic did we learn that 70% of people, including most older patients, show symptoms early, and stay home, so they never infect anyone. Meanwhile, 20% of people, mostly younger, show few if any symptoms early, and don't realize they are sick, so they go about their usual business, and those 20% lead to 80% of the new cases.

Once we realized that, the reason why mask mandates work becomes obvious. The way to stop the spread is to get masks on the superspreaders, and since they don't realize they are sick, only a mask mandate will cause them to wear one.

One other key fact is overlooked by almost everyone. They see that the economy is struggling, and people are out of work. They are quick to blame the lockdowns, so they resist them. Would business still be down even without the lockdown? Let me tell you my personal experience. My state never locked down, and we have been open every day. Business dropped by about 80% during April-May. During June, when cases dropped, we were only down 20%, what I would call "the new normal". Once cases started to surge again, we were quickly back to -40% and falling.

So, my conclusion is, lockdown, or no lockdown, so long as the cases are still rampant, the economy can't be normal. Anything done that encourages the spread to continue ensures that the economy will continue to struggle.

I tried to keep this non-political, but I feel a chilly wind blowing...

Last Edited: 8/9/2020 8:17:55 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 8/9/2020 10:42:01 PM 
ESPN reports that the "P"s met today to discuss fall sports. B10 presidents reportedly favor moving all fall sports to spring. ESPN cites the MAC decision as an important factor. ACC directors meet tomorrow. What they're looking for is (1) a reason to articulate for cancelling and (2) a plan for going forward. Several sources say cancellation or postponement seems inevitable. https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29629669...

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   Posted: 8/10/2020 6:39:18 AM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
It sounds like the Big Ten is now leaning toward cancelling. I think the MAC started the dominoes.


He's still operating on the talking-points from April...despite every epidemiologist in the world that SARS-CoV-2 spread to rural areas lags behind the more populated areas. This is like epidemiology 101 level stuff.
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   Posted: 8/10/2020 8:39:52 AM 
UpSan Bobcat wrote:
It sounds like the Big Ten is now leaning toward cancelling. I think the MAC started the dominoes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUl295oyeIc

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   Posted: 8/10/2020 8:51:18 AM 
Interesting push from players last night on Twitter. Seems to have started with Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields with the hashtag #wewanttoplay.

Of course, the fourth item in their list of demands is the creation of a College Football Players Association. Which sounds enough like a union that it may actually make playing this fall less likely.
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   Posted: 8/10/2020 10:18:22 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Interesting push from players last night on Twitter. Seems to have started with Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields with the hashtag #wewanttoplay.

Of course, the fourth item in their list of demands is the creation of a College Football Players Association. Which sounds enough like a union that it may actually make playing this fall less likely.


They talked about this extensively on ESPN radio yesterday. All of the commentators were like "What 19-20s year olds don't think they're invincible? This is why you don't leave the decision to the athletes to make. Of course they want to play, and they may not fully realize the risk because we all don't. Therefore that's what being an adult in a position of power is about: making the unfavorable but necessary decisions."
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   Posted: 8/10/2020 11:39:07 AM 
Dominoes -
https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/2020/08/10/big...

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